• EVGA GeForce 10 Series
  • Update 11/9/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070/1060 PWM Temperature Upadate (p.157)
2016/11/12 12:23:36
nico2be
Among those who asked for it , anyone received thermal pad? ?
After more than a week i'm still "awaiting shipment"....
2016/11/12 12:58:18
Bar81
DeathAngel74
TFG! You'll have your full refund and we'll be rid of you for good! If you had proof, you would show it. Otherwise, paranoia and BS!




 
Best news on these boards since this started.
2016/11/12 13:07:33
PixieStix88
I have the 1070 FTW (08G-P4-6276-KR) do i install the Primary and then the secondary? Whats the difference?  My temps seem to be running fine but i rather be safe then sorry. Been using the temperature monitor program via steam that came with the card and i dont see it go over 60C when playing games. 
 
Upon further reading i have gathered there is some switch for the secondary bios. I dont think ive ever touched it, no gonna lie this is my first powerful card so im a newb. I basically plugged the guy in day one updated the drivers and went on my way.
 
So i believe i only need the primary bios update correct?
2016/11/12 13:20:37
CoriolisAffectment
nico2be
Among those who asked for it , anyone received thermal pad? ?
After more than a week i'm still "awaiting shipment"....


I'm waiting too.  Not to worry, they are working diligently to get in the pads, assemble the packages, and send them on to us.  The speed of logistical completion is, unfortunately, somewhat fixed.  Everything will unfold as it should in due time.
2016/11/12 13:28:49
CoriolisAffectment
PixieStix88
I have the 1070 FTW (08G-P4-6276-KR) do i install the Primary and then the secondary? Whats the difference?  My temps seem to be running fine but i rather be safe then sorry. Been using the temperature monitor program via steam that came with the card and i dont see it go over 60C when playing games. 
 
Upon further reading i have gathered there is some switch for the secondary bios. I dont think ive ever touched it, no gonna lie this is my first powerful card so im a newb. I basically plugged the guy in day one updated the drivers and went on my way.
 
So i believe i only need the primary bios update correct?



If you're only using the main bios then updating the primary is all you need to do.
 
I gather the original difference between the two bioses was one was a "regular" the other "enthusiast".  So, following that rationale, I would conclude that the difference is merely to continue that difference:  B(or 2) as more "aggressive" than A(or 1).   I could be wrong and may be corrected.
2016/11/12 13:47:54
Xfade81
Moess
Anyone can Post the NEW Fan Curve of the 1070 SC Gaming?
Currently using a fan curve a bit less aggressive than the Aggressive Preset in XOC and i read the new bios would be so much louder..
 
would be nice if someone who alreadey updated this card can post the impressions/Curve.
 
Thanks!




There's no curve to show, it's embedded in the bios. A couple of pages back a user did a comparison with old bios and new, with screenshots with differences. Fanspeed @ wich temps.
2016/11/12 14:32:36
tw1l1ght
delicieuxz
Scorpion-X
Got my replacement cards on Wednesday, temps are much better overall, originally maxed about 73-75 degrees, now 63-65 degrees (both cards set to 80% fan speed in 3D mode) and (yes I know the thermal pads are for the VRM's but it looks like the heat was transferring to the GPU because of how hot it was, also back of card seems a bit cooler also, both sets of cards had the latest BIOS update) but the overclock is not very good, with my previous cards I was getting 2100+, now I'm getting at best 2025Mhz, and even at that I still see a random artifact once and awhile, I also tried swapping the cards, made it worse, couldn't get anything over 2000Mhz without it crashing....is this acceptable? What do you guys think?

 
Probably, a lot of people with lower-overclocking cards see the EVGA thermal pad installation as a chance to ditch their slower cards and maybe get a faster ones, in return. While people with higher-overclocking cards are not sending theirs in as mcuh, because they don't want to lose their good overclocks, and so they're installing thermal pads, themselves. The result of this probable situation would be that there's a disproportionate amount of lower-overclocking cards being sent to EVGA, and sent back to people after EVGA installs thermal pads on them.
 
Also, if the cards being sent to EVGA already have heat damage, they might perform less than they first did. EVGA will still install thermal pads, check to see that the cards perform at their advertised speed, and then send them out again.
 
tw1l1ght
Awsome thank you for your help. Can you also please explain what exactly i have to do to fix the card if i brick it?

If you brick it, then you have to RMA it to EVGA, to get a replacement.


This is all hard to wrap my head around because i use a 1080 ftw and i use evga precision xoc. I set the fan curve to hit 50% fan speed when the card hits 45c. when i play games i stay in the 50c bracket never hitting 60c. When i read about other peoples cards they are getting into the high 70c. I do not understand how exactly did EVGA mess up, did they forget to put the thermal pads in, is that all? why are cards so different in temperatures if they are all using acx 3.0? I have one more question, it is, how exactly do you brick a card? is it when you install the wrong bios that does not match your card? i am afraid to install the new bios because of bricking. I am not even sure if i get the primary or secondary DL link, or both. 
2016/11/12 14:59:13
Anarion
emsir
Anarion
emsir
Anarion
emsir
delicieuxz
emsir
Anarion
clone
I must be one of the lucky ones as my 1070FTW runs very cool but ive still asked for the thermal pads.

GPU might run very cool but the VRM are could be well past the boiling point.

This is rubbish, you have no documentation to prove your statement. Don't post something you don't have a clue about.



What do you find to be inaccurate about their statement? The temperature sensor on graphics cards is for the GPU chip, and not the VRM or VRAM. Whatever temperature is read from the GPU chip does not reflect the thermal conditions of the VRAM and VRM.
 
I hope that a cool GPU means also cool VRM and VRAM, but without thermal pads to transfer the heat from them, there seems to be significant risk to those components.


I've had my GTX 1070 FTW since September and played a lot of demanding games. No issues at all. So significant risk to components are not true. There haven't been 1 card with damaged VRM or VRAM. Nothing! And I think a lot of people with EVGA 10 series card are using agressive fan curve in Presicion X, and by that the card has no heat issue at all.  


LOL. That doesn't mean your VRM are wouldn't be running at >100c. When VRM fails, it usually fails without any warnings. Massive majority just installs the card and doesn't install Presicion X let alone use custom fan curve. I don't use Presicion X, I use Afterburner and it doesn't have any preset fancurves. Besides, the aggressive one in Presicion X is loud as hell judging by screenshots that people post.
 
The worse the case cooling, the bigger the problem. Especially if you do not do anything to the card. If everything was completely fine EVGA wouldn't kindly ship those thermal pads and update BIOSes.


If the VRM runs at 100 degrees  it will for sure have an effect on the GPU temps. If something gets really hot it will affect the surrounding areas = GPU!  About your argument about if VRM fails due to overheat. No (EVGA) card have failed due to overheated VRM. If you have some info about cards bricked, please post it. 


-_- No, VRM is far enough from GPU so that it doesn't necessarily show in GPU thermal sensor at all. VRAM is much closer and it does affect some of those chips though for sure. I never said that these cards have failed because of high VRM temperature. It is highly possible that it will happen in the future if the VRM keeps running at ridiculously high temps and the case cooling is weak. It might not fail now or even in near future. After one or two years though...
 
It has been shown in tests over and over again that VRM cooling is poor in these cards.


Well, if you have these tests of the VRM cooling, please post them here, so we all can see. Links would be fine. And where do have your information from that " It is highly possible that it will happen in the future". Are you sighted or have a magic ball you can look in to? And EVGA is not responsible for poor case cooling.


Are you blind or do you even read stuff people post here like links to reviews and articles? It has been proven that the VRM can runs hotter than what's ideal in extreme loads (sure, Furmark is power virus but there are some games that put rather massive load on GPU). I don't have to post links to articles that have been posted here zillion times (Gamers Nexus, Tom's Hardware...). Besides, this is common sense and just how things work. How hard is it for you to understand that high VRM temperatures have negative effect on longevity? If the VRM temperature is constantly on the edge chances are obviously much higher that it will go boom at some point in the future. I'm not saying all will, I'm saying that chances are much higher than if the VRM cooling would work properly.
 
The point is: It's definitely worth it to either apply the pads, the BIOS update or both. Especially if you plan to keep the card for long time and like to overclock and/or sell it in the future.
2016/11/12 15:09:47
RKarov
So I got a confirmation stated that my thermal-pads shipped Nov 2 and to allow 1-2 weeks to arrive, i wonder if they will include the VRAM pads?  When I opened my card I saw sticky stuff on them so perhaps I do not need to worry that they are not making contact?  I am glad that soon I will get this issue at least mostly fixed.
2016/11/12 16:14:54
tw1l1ght
Anarion
emsir
Anarion
emsir
Anarion
emsir
delicieuxz
emsir
Anarion
clone
I must be one of the lucky ones as my 1070FTW runs very cool but ive still asked for the thermal pads.

GPU might run very cool but the VRM are could be well past the boiling point.

This is rubbish, you have no documentation to prove your statement. Don't post something you don't have a clue about.



What do you find to be inaccurate about their statement? The temperature sensor on graphics cards is for the GPU chip, and not the VRM or VRAM. Whatever temperature is read from the GPU chip does not reflect the thermal conditions of the VRAM and VRM.
 
I hope that a cool GPU means also cool VRM and VRAM, but without thermal pads to transfer the heat from them, there seems to be significant risk to those components.


I've had my GTX 1070 FTW since September and played a lot of demanding games. No issues at all. So significant risk to components are not true. There haven't been 1 card with damaged VRM or VRAM. Nothing! And I think a lot of people with EVGA 10 series card are using agressive fan curve in Presicion X, and by that the card has no heat issue at all.  


LOL. That doesn't mean your VRM are wouldn't be running at >100c. When VRM fails, it usually fails without any warnings. Massive majority just installs the card and doesn't install Presicion X let alone use custom fan curve. I don't use Presicion X, I use Afterburner and it doesn't have any preset fancurves. Besides, the aggressive one in Presicion X is loud as hell judging by screenshots that people post.
 
The worse the case cooling, the bigger the problem. Especially if you do not do anything to the card. If everything was completely fine EVGA wouldn't kindly ship those thermal pads and update BIOSes.
I have to say that i read what EVGA announced about this problem. They stated that with the BIOS upgrade and a slightly aggressive curve added that it will solve any problems. They stated that with this BIOS update or if you will a slight increase in fan speed that you do not need the thermal pads. However if you do install the thermal pads you will get a significant cooler result. Also i would imagine but am not 100% sure that if your GPU temps are low then it will result in a all around lower temperature, because the are around will be all together cooler, but that is hypothetically speeking.

If the VRM runs at 100 degrees  it will for sure have an effect on the GPU temps. If something gets really hot it will affect the surrounding areas = GPU!  About your argument about if VRM fails due to overheat. No (EVGA) card have failed due to overheated VRM. If you have some info about cards bricked, please post it. 


-_- No, VRM is far enough from GPU so that it doesn't necessarily show in GPU thermal sensor at all. VRAM is much closer and it does affect some of those chips though for sure. I never said that these cards have failed because of high VRM temperature. It is highly possible that it will happen in the future if the VRM keeps running at ridiculously high temps and the case cooling is weak. It might not fail now or even in near future. After one or two years though...
 
It has been shown in tests over and over again that VRM cooling is poor in these cards.


Well, if you have these tests of the VRM cooling, please post them here, so we all can see. Links would be fine. And where do have your information from that " It is highly possible that it will happen in the future". Are you sighted or have a magic ball you can look in to? And EVGA is not responsible for poor case cooling.


Are you blind or do you even read stuff people post here like links to reviews and articles? It has been proven that the VRM can runs hotter than what's ideal in extreme loads (sure, Furmark is power virus but there are some games that put rather massive load on GPU). I don't have to post links to articles that have been posted here zillion times (Gamers Nexus, Tom's Hardware...). Besides, this is common sense and just how things work. How hard is it for you to understand that high VRM temperatures have negative effect on longevity? If the VRM temperature is constantly on the edge chances are obviously much higher that it will go boom at some point in the future. I'm not saying all will, I'm saying that chances are much higher than if the VRM cooling would work properly.
 
The point is: It's definitely worth it to either apply the pads, the BIOS update or both. Especially if you plan to keep the card for long time and like to overclock and/or sell it in the future.




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