Scarlet-Tech
Scott_W, sorry for the delayed response.  Received a facetime call and it took priority over the forums, lol.
 
As for the documentation, you can get all of the information by looking at the bios in something like pascal bios tweaker.  All of the changes are visible in there.
 
EVGA has put out the information in posts on the forums numerous times, and I am not personally going to dig for it, but they put it out as it is going to be a question that is always asked, answered, and then re-asked.  

"Pascal bios tweaker"? You're kidding, right? I don't know what that is, and I'm not sure I want to know.

Look, all I am asking for is documentation from EVGA as to what parameters are different between the Master and Slave settings. The actual fan curve (temp and rpm thresholds), power targets, whatever.

If you don't know those details, please just say you don't know or stay silent. Saying it has been answered in forums without providing a link is a non-answer. (I have searched and not found anything definitive. Suppositions, guesses, and speculation from other customers is not what I am seeking.)

I'm a loyal EVGA customer. I am NOT attacking the product or EVGA, nor asking for secret design schematics or company financial secrets. ****? Maybe you've become overly-sensitive from all the "exploding vim" threads, lol. I'm not the enemy here. I'm just looking for specific product details for the 1080FTW that I actually own.

The Master/Slave switch is prominently mentioned in the product literature, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to expect some documentation of the differences invoked by that switch. If you don't have an answer, don't make one up. I'm not looking for an argument. I'm looking for product specifications from the manufacturer. If that doesn't exist, that's the way it is. If I have to contact EVGA support with a custom request, that's the way it is. I hoped it already existed, but maybe it doesn't.

Is there any EVGA documentation of differences between the Master and Slave bios on the 1080FTW?

Scarlet-Tech
Scott_W, sorry for the delayed response.  Received a facetime call and it took priority over the forums, lol.
 
As for the documentation, you can get all of the information by looking at the bios in something like pascal bios tweaker.  All of the changes are visible in there.
 
EVGA has put out the information in posts on the forums numerous times, and I am not personally going to dig for it, but they put it out as it is going to be a question that is always asked, answered, and then re-asked.  

You got a link to the Pascal Bios Tweaker heh 

Well, here is a suggestion..........
 Maybe, just maybe CONTACT TECH SUPPORT (like you stated in post #111) and get it from the "horse's mouth" instead of relying on a forum for the answers you require.

Scott_W

DSP1
There are 2  programmed settings in Precision.
1 is the default curve
2 is the aggressive curve
Then there is the ability to set a custom  curve.
I don't know why everyone doesn't understand this. Doesn't everyone automatically install Precision when they install their cards to at least see what it can
do? If you don't like the interface or prefer AB ability to give you better voltage/curve control then go with AB. But setting the fan curve to Custom was the first thing I did in Precision, in both Master and Slave.

With respect, your assumption that I "don't understand" is insulting. The "program" defaults are not the same as a the bios defaults. I am asking about the bios curve - not Precision's default or custom curves. I want to know what is in the firmware.

No, not everyone "automatically installs" Precision. That is not the subject here, but since you raised the issue, I will explain that I used Precision with my 560ti, 680, and 980. I stopped using it when Evga embedded the "server" software (equivalent function of old Riva Tuner) such that it had to be installed. I don't need that component, it caused software conflicts for me, and I object to installing it ever again. Also, there are well-documented issues between recent Precision versions and Excel, which is a critical app for me.

But to get back on subject...

Does anyone know if EVGA provides any documentation on the parameters and differences between the Master and Slave bios? I am not looking for suppositions or guesses or opinions. I am looking for DOCUMENTED facts from the manufacturer. Does that exist?

The curve is determined  by the bios.
The profiles change when you switch from Master to Slave.
It wasn't an assumption.
 

Scott_W, this is a USER based forum, so you are going to get the answers that users have gathered from EVGA.

I don't know of any manufacturer that hands out their bios documentation.

As for Pascal Bios Tweaker, use Google.. It is very easy to use. You save the bios using GPU-Z to save the current bios, and the bios tweaker to look st the bios. You can not make changes, because Nvidia doesn't allow unapproved bios' to be loaded to the gpu, so you can only view what the bios has. This is exactly what you are asking for EVGA to provide, and you don't need evga.

There is an EVGA Faq that covers the basics of Master and Slave BIOS settings. The Fan curves are not covered except to the extent that the Master bios has the 0db to 60 degrees by default and Slave always runs the fans. I've never run into a power limit in all the months I've been using my FTW card. Not even to 100% let alone needing 120 or 130.

Scarlet-Tech
...this is a USER based forum, so you are going to get the answers that users have gathered from EVGA.

Your implication that I don't understand the forum is insulting. When did this place become so toxic?

The question was, and still is:
"Is there any official documentation regarding differences between the Master and Slave bios on the 1080FTW?"

I asked the USERS here, hoping another USER already had a link to some EVGA documentation, or could link to a previous forum post by EVGA (who does participate in this "USER" forum which EVGA hosts). Apparently nobody here knows of any such documentation, and that's OK! No need to get defensive, or tell me I don't need it, or tell me I can use other utilities to investigate, or imply that I do not know what a USER forum is. I will ask EVGA support and wait for them to answer.

Scarlet-Tech
As for Pascal Bios Tweaker, use Google.. It is very easy to use. You save the bios using GPU-Z to save the current bios, and the bios tweaker to look st the bios. You can not make changes, because Nvidia doesn't allow unapproved bios' to be loaded to the gpu, so you can only view what the bios has.

Whoa... Wait a second... "You cannot make changes, because Nvidia doesn't allow unapproved bios' to be loaded to the gpu." Really? Isn't that the published purpose of EVGA's dual bios feature?

The "Features" section of the EVGA 1080FTW product listing states: "A secondary BIOS allows you to experiment with custom BIOSes without risk of breaking the card, and allows easy BIOS recovery with just the flip of a switch." So, can 1080FTW owners "experiment with custom BIOSes" as stated in the 1080FTW Features List? If that cannot be done, as you stated above, then what does EVGA mean by "allows you to experiment with custom BIOSes"?

It means you are not able to make alterations to the bios but you can flash different bios's to the card.
Some people have used the T4 bios from Asus on their cards, flashing it to the one bios while retaining the factory one on the other.

Scott_W

Scarlet-Tech
...this is a USER based forum, so you are going to get the answers that users have gathered from EVGA.

Your implication that I don't understand the forum is insulting. When did this place become so toxic?

The question was, and still is:
"Is there any official documentation regarding differences between the Master and Slave bios on the 1080FTW?"

I asked the USERS here, hoping another USER already had a link to some EVGA documentation, or could link to a previous forum post by EVGA (who does participate in this "USER" forum which EVGA hosts). Apparently nobody here knows of any such documentation, and that's OK! No need to get defensive, or tell me I don't need it, or tell me I can use other utilities to investigate, or imply that I do not know what a USER forum is. I will ask EVGA support and wait for them to answer.

Scarlet-Tech
As for Pascal Bios Tweaker, use Google.. It is very easy to use. You save the bios using GPU-Z to save the current bios, and the bios tweaker to look st the bios. You can not make changes, because Nvidia doesn't allow unapproved bios' to be loaded to the gpu, so you can only view what the bios has.

Whoa... Wait a second... "You cannot make changes, because Nvidia doesn't allow unapproved bios' to be loaded to the gpu." Really? Isn't that the published purpose of EVGA's dual bios feature?

The "Features" section of the EVGA 1080FTW product listing states: "A secondary BIOS allows you to experiment with custom BIOSes without risk of breaking the card, and allows easy BIOS recovery with just the flip of a switch." So, can 1080FTW owners "experiment with custom BIOSes" as stated in the 1080FTW Features List? If that cannot be done, as you stated above, then what does EVGA mean by "allows you to experiment with custom BIOSes"?

IFrom you are so inclined, you can find the tools necessary to mod the hips. This of course risks a failure and the bios switch gives you an out unless the bios causes physical damage to the card. This is helpfully for liquid nitrogen overclockers.
If you are not doing that, the secondary bios eliminates the 0db fan option and gives you 130% power headroom for aggressive overclocking.
I'll agree that putting that info in a faq page instead of the product page makes it harder to find, but these forums help with that.

DSP1
It means you are not able to make alterations to the bios but you can flash different bios's to the card.
Some people have used the T4 bios from Asus on their cards, flashing it to the one bios while retaining the factory one on the other.

Ah, ok. Thanks for the answer. I will do some additional searching and try to understand what other bios versions are being loaded, and why.

I was hoping the Feature List statement meant that "individuals" (i.e., card owners, with appropriate skill) could create an experimental bios. For example, one that had a custom fan curve (rather than relying on software control). What keeps someone from doing that? Do all the files require a digital signature from Nvidia or something?