2016/11/06 14:42:43
SirMoh
DSP1
And I am not really concerned about the faux butthurt about who is insulted when they are forced to observe their actions in the mirror of another's eyes.
It isn't I that needs to grow up.
However feel free to continue to throw your little tantrums, "it is impressive to watch a man consumed by his own emotions.

Once again, you're insulting others based on the fact that they are "butthurt" because they purchased a card that is half arsed. The mere fact that you're getting upset about someone else's upset shows you bask in others despair. Maybe you need to look in a mirror about what you're saying and then realise you need to grow up.
At this point, you are adding absolutely nothing to this discussion. If you have something useful to say, say it, or say nothing at all. End.
2016/11/06 14:51:51
lebel
As EVGA_JacobF has already answered the original OP's post, might be best to lock the door on this thread as its becoming less helpful and quite puerile.
2016/11/06 14:57:05
DSP1
SirMoh
DSP1
And I am not really concerned about the faux butthurt about who is insulted when they are forced to observe their actions in the mirror of another's eyes.
It isn't I that needs to grow up.
However feel free to continue to throw your little tantrums, "it is impressive to watch a man consumed by his own emotions.

Once again, you're insulting others based on the fact that they are "butthurt" because they purchased a card that is half arsed. The mere fact that you're getting upset about someone else's upset shows you bask in others despair. Maybe you need to look in a mirror about what you're saying and then realise you need to grow up.
At this point, you are adding absolutely nothing to this discussion. If you have something useful to say, say it, or say nothing at all. End.


It is ok to be upset and bring the issue to the attention of the company through tech support and RMA if that is the way you wish to proceed, but more often  than not it gets expressed in here or other forums on  the interwebz as hystrionic emotionality and spoiled childish demands.
I am not upset in the least. I do not let my emotions get in the way of my reasoning unlike a lot of people here or "out there". "Maybe"? Completely unlikely. I am completely self aware and know implicitly how what I say gets perceived. 
The usefulness of what I  have to say is completely open to interpretation, and thankfully I don't take orders from you, and will post according to my conscience.
2016/11/06 15:57:21
SirMoh
DSP1
 
 
It is ok to be upset and bring the issue to the attention of the company through tech support and RMA if that is the way you wish to proceed, but more often  than not it gets expressed in here or other forums on  the interwebz as hystrionic emotionality and spoiled childish demands.
I am not upset in the least. I do not let my emotions get in the way of my reasoning unlike a lot of people here or "out there". "Maybe"? Completely unlikely. I am completely self aware and know implicitly how what I say gets perceived. 
The usefulness of what I  have to say is completely open to interpretation, and thankfully I don't take orders from you, and will post according to my conscience.

No one's making "spoiled childish demands", it's not an unreasonable expectation for people to suggest that EVGA should make this mandatory rather than optional, as it will reduce the lifespan of the card. If you think that's childish, that's your opinion, don't brandish everyone the same.
You seem to be upset considering how much you're defending this, but okay, whatever floats your boat.
You can carry on doing so, but realise that you aren't actually adding anything useful to the topic itself, and that you are breaking the Terms of Use of the forums. See the quoted rule below.
 
EVGA_Marketing
  • Trolling - Trolling can be defined as when a member posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the primary intent or consequence of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Trolling can also be accomplished by harassing another member by following them through various threads, creating threads directed at another member or group of members, or intentionally creating the same thread in various forums despite being warned or told to post in the correct forum.  Members who feel they are being "trolled" should contact a moderator immediately, as this is the only effective way to prevent this behavior

 
2016/11/06 16:18:32
DSP1
SirMoh
DSP1
 
 
It is ok to be upset and bring the issue to the attention of the company through tech support and RMA if that is the way you wish to proceed, but more often  than not it gets expressed in here or other forums on  the interwebz as hystrionic emotionality and spoiled childish demands.
I am not upset in the least. I do not let my emotions get in the way of my reasoning unlike a lot of people here or "out there". "Maybe"? Completely unlikely. I am completely self aware and know implicitly how what I say gets perceived. 
The usefulness of what I  have to say is completely open to interpretation, and thankfully I don't take orders from you, and will post according to my conscience.

No one's making "spoiled childish demands", it's not an unreasonable expectation for people to suggest that EVGA should make this mandatory rather than optional, as it will reduce the lifespan of the card. If you think that's childish, that's your opinion, don't brandish everyone the same.
You seem to be upset considering how much you're defending this, but okay, whatever floats your boat.
You can carry on doing so, but realise that you aren't actually adding anything useful to the topic itself, and that you are breaking the Terms of Use of the forums. See the quoted rule below.
 
EVGA_Marketing
  • Trolling - Trolling can be defined as when a member posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the primary intent or consequence of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Trolling can also be accomplished by harassing another member by following them through various threads, creating threads directed at another member or group of members, or intentionally creating the same thread in various forums despite being warned or told to post in the correct forum.  Members who feel they are being "trolled" should contact a moderator immediately, as this is the only effective way to prevent this behavior

 




Perhaps you haven't read as many of the threads that I have over the course of the last couple of weeks. 
Here and "out there". But a large number of the posts in a number of these threads here are beyond ridiculous. From fear mongering claims that the card is going to burn your house down to threats of class action lawsuits.
These are beyond ridiculous and tarnish real concerns and get in the way of accurate dissemination of much needed information.
The irony is, that I have been identifying the inciters and trolls here today and it is not lost on me that I am now being accused of being the troll. Not that that is new at all, in fact it is typical.
In any event, it was an enjoyable Sunday, and I see the mods have cleaned up the main sticky thread, so my work here is done.
I suggest you examine closely with whom you choose to sympathize.
Enjoy.
 
ETA You might want to go back in this very thread and reread some of the remarks, particularly the one made by the mod. Additionally, my observation to bar about his flawed logic still remains correct, remember, the post you misunderstood.
2016/11/06 16:31:05
SirMoh
DSP1
From fear mongering claims that the card is going to burn your house down to threats of class action lawsuits.
These are beyond ridiculous and tarnish real concerns and get in the way of accurate dissemination of much needed information.
The irony is, that I have been identifying the inciters and trolls here today and it is not lost on me that I am now being accused of being the troll. Not that that is new at all, in fact it is typical.
In any event, it was an enjoyable Sunday, and I see the mods have cleaned up the main sticky thread, so my work here is done.
I suggest you examine closely with whom you choose to sympathize.
Enjoy.


Again, there have been several posts on the forums, and on Reddit about cards catching fire, smoking, etc. It's not unreasonable for people to think it might happen to their card, considering how hot the cards are running. This is definitely a severe issue; look at what happened to Samsung with their Galaxy Note 7 series. Of course, the scale is not as large, but the fact that many cards have spontaneously combusted shows that there is a problem.
 
Besides, this isn't what was even mentioned in the original post you quoted, so I have absolutely no idea why you're bringing in your emotions from other threads into this one. Just to remind you, we were discussing whether or not they should be made optional or not. There was absolutely no mention of "the card is going to burn your house down" or "threats of class action lawsuits".
 
Yeah, well the fact that you're saying "it is typical" may suggest that there is some credence to what I said.
 
No thanks, I don't need to listen to your suggestions, much like you don't wish to listen to mine. Good day.
 
DSP1
ETA You might want to go back in this very thread and reread some of the remarks, particularly the one made by the mod. Additionally, my observation to bar about his flawed logic still remains correct, remember, the post you misunderstood.

Once again, that's your opinion. The logic is not flawed. EVGA aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. They are doing it because of the attention it has received. They are doing it because it's necessary. They are doing it because the VRMs are running close to the specifications stated by the manufacturer. They are doing it because many cards have already died within less than 3 months of ownership. Excess heat damages components, this has been proven time, and time again. 
2016/11/06 16:45:18
DSP1
SirMoh
DSP1
From fear mongering claims that the card is going to burn your house down to threats of class action lawsuits.
These are beyond ridiculous and tarnish real concerns and get in the way of accurate dissemination of much needed information.
The irony is, that I have been identifying the inciters and trolls here today and it is not lost on me that I am now being accused of being the troll. Not that that is new at all, in fact it is typical.
In any event, it was an enjoyable Sunday, and I see the mods have cleaned up the main sticky thread, so my work here is done.
I suggest you examine closely with whom you choose to sympathize.
Enjoy.


Again, there have been several posts on the forums, and on Reddit about cards catching fire, smoking, etc. It's not unreasonable for people to think it might happen to their card, considering how hot the cards are running. This is definitely a severe issue; look at what happened to Samsung with their Galaxy Note 7 series. Of course, the scale is not as large, but the fact that many cards have spontaneously combusted shows that there is a problem.
 
Besides, this isn't what was even mentioned in the original post you quoted, so I have absolutely no idea why you're bringing in your emotions from other threads into this one. Just to remind you, we were discussing whether or not they should be made optional or not. There was absolutely no mention of "the card is going to burn your house down" or "threats of class action lawsuits".
 
Yeah, well the fact that you're saying "it is typical" may suggest that there is some credence to what I said.
 
No thanks, I don't need to listen to your suggestions, much like you don't wish to listen to mine. Good day.




Mostly re-posts of the same one or 2 incidents. And largely unsubtantiated. People lie. People lie all the time on the internet.
Yes , it is quite unreasonable. Statistically speaking, the probabilities are remote that it will happen to them.
'Severe' is a value judgement and pejorative. And linking the Samsung issue with this one is inherently misleading and dishonest.
And again you use the term 'many'. Many compared to what? How many? Disinformation.
I have to laugh because you seemto believe that I am bringing some sort of emotional content to my posts. I assure you that you are mistaken and quite probably assigning behaviour you yourself exhibit while posting.
Again, I am and was referring to other threads on this site and a common hysterical tone of posting generally. I assure you the quotes were from this forum. And I don't need to be reminded what we were discussing, noting that you and the other poster were responsible for the derail here.
 
2016/11/06 16:54:36
DSP1
SirMoh
DSP1
From fear mongering claims that the card is going to burn your house down to threats of class action lawsuits.
These are beyond ridiculous and tarnish real concerns and get in the way of accurate dissemination of much needed information.
The irony is, that I have been identifying the inciters and trolls here today and it is not lost on me that I am now being accused of being the troll. Not that that is new at all, in fact it is typical.
In any event, it was an enjoyable Sunday, and I see the mods have cleaned up the main sticky thread, so my work here is done.
I suggest you examine closely with whom you choose to sympathize.
Enjoy.


Again, there have been several posts on the forums, and on Reddit about cards catching fire, smoking, etc. It's not unreasonable for people to think it might happen to their card, considering how hot the cards are running. This is definitely a severe issue; look at what happened to Samsung with their Galaxy Note 7 series. Of course, the scale is not as large, but the fact that many cards have spontaneously combusted shows that there is a problem.
 
Besides, this isn't what was even mentioned in the original post you quoted, so I have absolutely no idea why you're bringing in your emotions from other threads into this one. Just to remind you, we were discussing whether or not they should be made optional or not. There was absolutely no mention of "the card is going to burn your house down" or "threats of class action lawsuits".
 
Yeah, well the fact that you're saying "it is typical" may suggest that there is some credence to what I said.
 
No thanks, I don't need to listen to your suggestions, much like you don't wish to listen to mine. Good day.
 
DSP1
ETA You might want to go back in this very thread and reread some of the remarks, particularly the one made by the mod. Additionally, my observation to bar about his flawed logic still remains correct, remember, the post you misunderstood.

Once again, that's your opinion. The logic is not flawed. EVGA aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. They are doing it because of the attention it has received. They are doing it because it's necessary. They are doing it because the VRMs are running close to the specifications stated by the manufacturer. They are doing it because many cards have already died within less than 3 months of ownership. Excess heat damages components, this has been proven time, and time again. 




Yes, the logic is flawed. They may not be doing it  out of the kindness of their hearts, that was just one example, of which there are probably many, that refutes bars conclusion that, if they are putting pads on now, that means that the fix can't be optional. The fix still remains optional regardless of the actions after the fact.
Your second sentence is essentially correct and establishes my point for me, thank you. 
Heat kills. Turn your fans up. Put on the pads.
And further, as I suggested to another poster in the sticky thread, perhaps it would be better if everyone took their concerns and complaints to On Semiconductor. EVGA is a victim here just like the rest of us. I would be interested to see how they are being compensated by them over this and the defective 4% of the components identified in September.
Obviously, there is a problem with the quality of their components.
 
2016/11/06 16:57:55
SirMoh
DSP1
 
Mostly re-posts of the same one or 2 incidents. And largely unsubtantiated. People lie. People lie all the time on the internet.
Yes , it is quite unreasonable. Statistically speaking, the probabilities are remote that it will happen to them.
'Severe' is a value judgement and pejorative. And linking the Samsung issue with this one is inherently misleading and dishonest.
And again you use the term 'many'. Many compared to what? How many? Disinformation.
I have to laugh because you seemto believe that I am bringing some sort of emotional content to my posts. I assure you that you are mistaken and quite probably assigning behaviour you yourself exhibit while posting.
Again, I am and was referring to other threads on this site and a common hysterical tone of posting generally. I assure you the quotes were from this forum. And I don't need to be reminded what we were discussing, noting that you and the other poster were responsible for the derail here.

I'm sorry, but that's hyperbole. There's been plenty of people that have posted unique images and videos showing scorch marks of where there cards have caught fire. I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend this so much, maybe you are an EVGA shareholder.
The probabilities of the Galaxy Note 7 catching fire were low considering the number of units they had produced, but that didn't stop them from stopping manufacturing? It's not misleading, it was merely a comparison of an issue of similar nature, i.e. catching fire.
 
How many? Well, let's see how many I can find with a quick Google search:
 
www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5aoj0v/evga_gtx_1080_catching_fire/
www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4vay9w/sad_day_evga_1070_sc_died_randomly/
www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/58w9ql/evga_gtx_1070_ftw_randomly_died/
www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/580b8w/welp_my_evga_1070_ftw_just_killed_itself/
www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4vv4l3/evga_gtx_1080sc_just_died_last_night/
www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4vd0zn/has_my_1070_just_died_in_less_than_24_hours/
www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4nua7a/evga_1080_just_went_kaput/
www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4uxxbg/1070_died/
www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/52y2fq/my_evga_1080_ftw_was_burned_and_smoked/
www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/56ydth/evga_gtx_1080_ftw_caught_on_fire/
 
10 separate instances of cards dying/catching fire. Disinformation? Check again.
 

Perhaps you haven't read as many of the threads that I have over the course of the last couple of weeks. 
Here and "out there". But a large number of the posts in a number of these threads here are beyond ridiculous. From fear mongering claims that the card is going to burn your house down to threats of class action lawsuits.

You are bringing emotions into your thread, you said it yourself. There's no need to refer to anything else from other threads, it has nothing to do with what was being discussed.
 
As for the derailment, that lies on you. You decided to insult others by saying they're "butthurt", etc. Not my problem.
 
2016/11/06 17:05:47
SirMoh
DSP1
Yes, the logic is flawed. They may not be doing it  out of the kindness of their hearts, that was just one example, of which there are probably many, that refutes bars conclusion that, if they are putting pads on now, that means that the fix can't be optional. The fix still remains optional regardless of the actions after the fact.
Your second sentence is essentially correct and establishes my point for me, thank you. 
Heat kills. Turn your fans up. Put on the pads.
And further, as I suggested to another poster in the sticky thread, perhaps it would be better if everyone took their concerns and complaints to On Semiconductor. EVGA is a victim here just like the rest of us. I would be interested to see how they are being compensated by them over this and the defective 4% of the components identified in September.
Obviously, there is a problem with the quality of their components.
 


It shouldn't remain optional for the exact reasons I stated. They are close to specifications, that suggests that the card could run hotter in certain circumstances.
 
I shouldn't have to turn up my fans, when I purchased the product, I did it knowing it would run silent. Not that I would have to "turn up my fans" because of a bad cooling design.
 
The problem lies with EVGA, not the semi conductor. It's absurd that you'd suggest I complain to On Semiconductor when I purchased the product from EVGA. When a car breaks down, you don't contact the individual manufacturer of a component to fix / replace the part, you contact the vehicle manufacturer. Even if the semi conductor provided faulty components, EVGA are responsible for providing replacement, as the transaction was between me and EVGA, not me and the semi conductor.

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