Greene MaChine
Don't fool yourself

Who is fooling themselves? do you actually believe that if EVGA told their customers that there is a component on the PCB that is causing the problem, people will actually desolder it and replace it themselves on a brand new $600+ product? you actually believe this is the reason they are not telling?!

Scarlet-Tech

NetQvist

Scarlet-Tech

NetQvist


My setup, 3x noctua industrials for case fans: http://i.imgur.com/l8kK4UU.jpg

I was reaching 73 degrees with fans on the gpu at like ~40% boosted to 1962 Mhz, ambient room temp around 22-24 degrees. I only ever tried adding 100+ to the core and that worked without changing anything else in benchmarks. But it went black screen in Tomb Raider at stock and then I just sent it back to my retailer.

Try adding more fan speed to your gpu. 40% is low. Push it to 60% more air movement will make for more optimal airflow over the gpu.

Already sent it back to the retailer should have a response by the end of the week if I can exchange it for a proper brand. If the card overheats on stock settings without an additional OC in a well ventilated case then it's defective product no questions asked.

The fans are meant to go up to 100%. At 40%, they are only meant to keep the temperatures below the 80c mark, and they are doing that. People screamed that they wanted quiet gpu's, so evga made them quiet, and now they are screaming that the card gets hot compared to a GPU with faster/louder fans. The user is required to find the happy median for the best results. Every user will want something different, which is why settings can be changed.

So you're telling me that unless you make a custom profile for the fan the card will crash/burn/explode if you try use it for any kind of gaming/benchmarking at stock settings in a case with well above average airflow. Wow sounds like a good deal, a stock profile should keep the card safe in a average ventilated case no matter the case.

GamerSX
 
Who is fooling themselves? do you actually believe that if EVGA told their customers that there is a component on the PCB that is causing the problem, people will actually desolder it and replace it themselves on a brand new $600+ product? you actually believe this is the reason they are not telling?!

I'm sure it's one of them.
Teenagers, young adults will do some of the dumbest things..  warranty or not.  I know i did.  Long-ago.
 
There may be other factors involved, like there were on motherboards back in the early to mid 2000s.
There may be contractual things, to protect brand-names..  kind of like what's happening with the "Note 7"
There could be other things that we're not privy too.
At any rate, all this comes back to warranty.
If your card's not DOA and doesn't die in the first 3 months, it'll probably live a nice long life.

Greene MaChine

GamerSX
 
Who is fooling themselves? do you actually believe that if EVGA told their customers that there is a component on the PCB that is causing the problem, people will actually desolder it and replace it themselves on a brand new $600+ product? you actually believe this is the reason they are not telling?!

I'm sure it's one of them.
Teenagers, young adults will do some of the dumbest things..  warranty or not.  I know i did.  Long-ago.
 
There may be other factors involved, like there were on motherboards back in the early to mid 2000s.
There may be contractual things, to protect brand-names..  kind of like what's happening with the "Note 7"
There could be other things that we're not privy too.
At any rate, all this comes back to warranty.
If your card's not DOA and doesn't die in the first 3 months, it'll probably live a nice long life.

The more I find out the more it seems like every 1080 FTW prior to them "fixing" something is at risk, if you happen to have a good card and very good cooling around the hotter parts shown in the thermal imaging I'm sure it can survive. However any other situation will probably slowly deteriorate the card until it is constantly black screening or worse, burning which I've seen quite a few pictures of lately.
 
 

NetQvist

So you're telling me that unless you make a custom profile for the fan the card will crash/burn/explode if you try use it for any kind of gaming/benchmarking at stock settings in a case with well above average airflow. Wow sounds like a good deal, a stock profile should keep the card safe in a average ventilated case no matter the case.

Please do not read into what is wrote. Noone said what you just wrote. There are hundreds of these cards, and a few may have issues. Assuming that because of a few having issues that every single one has it is not correct.

I have a 1070 ftw and run it at max load nonstop. It has never once over heated and it is on stock profiles. By your account, it should have melted down into a pool of solder already. I haven't turned my computer off in over a month, except for a quick reboot when Windows decided it would update without warning me. The 1070 and 1080 ftw share the same PCB, so the issue should be prevalent on both, but only a few compared to the amount created and sold are experiencing issues.

Greene MaChine
If your card's not DOA and doesn't die in the first 3 months, it'll probably live a nice long life.

Not necessarily, my EVGA GTX 780 ACX started badly artifacting and then died after a little over one year, during which time it was giving me nasty coil whine hell and strange ACX cooler pitch changing as RPM changes, i asked EVGA for a different SKU and they insisted in giving me the same exact SKU as a replacement which i did not like, i ended up getting it refunded through my retailer ...

Scarlet-Tech

NetQvist

So you're telling me that unless you make a custom profile for the fan the card will crash/burn/explode if you try use it for any kind of gaming/benchmarking at stock settings in a case with well above average airflow. Wow sounds like a good deal, a stock profile should keep the card safe in a average ventilated case no matter the case.

Please do not read into what is wrote. Noone said what you just wrote. There are hundreds of these cards, and a few may have issues. Assuming that because of a few having issues that every single one has it is not correct.

I have a 1070 ftw and run it at max load nonstop. It has never once over heated and it is on stock profiles. By your account, it should have melted down into a pool of solder already. I haven't turned my computer off in over a month, except for a quick reboot when Windows decided it would update without warning me. The 1070 and 1080 ftw share the same PCB, so the issue should be prevalent on both, but only a few compared to the amount created and sold are experiencing issues.

You're the one suggesting I would have needed to increase the fan speed more than stock to make the card stable when the card was running at 73 degrees stable at factory clocks, exactly what did I miss-interpret?

GamerSX
Not necessarily, my EVGA GTX 780 ACX started badly artifacting and then died after a little over one year, during which time it was giving me nasty coil whine hell and strange ACX cooler pitch changing as RPM changes, i asked EVGA for a different SKU and they insisted in giving me the same exact SKU as a replacement which i did not like, i ended up getting it refunded through my retailer ...

 
That's normal modern business practices.  I expect return policies like that with anything purchased.
Your fortunate your retailer did a refund, alot of them nowadays won't.
Did they ding you a restocking fee ?

NetQvist

Scarlet-Tech

NetQvist

So you're telling me that unless you make a custom profile for the fan the card will crash/burn/explode if you try use it for any kind of gaming/benchmarking at stock settings in a case with well above average airflow. Wow sounds like a good deal, a stock profile should keep the card safe in a average ventilated case no matter the case.

Please do not read into what is wrote. Noone said what you just wrote. There are hundreds of these cards, and a few may have issues. Assuming that because of a few having issues that every single one has it is not correct.

I have a 1070 ftw and run it at max load nonstop. It has never once over heated and it is on stock profiles. By your account, it should have melted down into a pool of solder already. I haven't turned my computer off in over a month, except for a quick reboot when Windows decided it would update without warning me. The 1070 and 1080 ftw share the same PCB, so the issue should be prevalent on both, but only a few compared to the amount created and sold are experiencing issues.

You're the one suggesting I would have needed to increase the fan speed more than stock to make the card stable when the card was running at 73 degrees stable at factory clocks, exactly what did I miss-interpret?

I suggested trying a slightly higher fan speed to lower temps, but since you returned the card, that is obviously impossible to try.

You stated that it would kill the card at stock. No where did I state that you are required to change anything, yet you state that I said you had to use higher fans speeds.

If you believe that this is what is killing cards, then I can not change your mind. I was only making a suggestion and showing that not every card is dying at stock settings.  73c is well below the thermal limits, so it may not have been the issue you were experiencing.  Without the card, there is no way to test other things to see if something else (Micron Memory Issue) was causing the problem. (Micron issue was much more prevalent)

Greene MaChine
That's normal modern business practices.  I expect return policies like that with anything purchased.
Your fortunate your retailer did a refund, alot of them nowadays won't.
Did they ding you a restocking fee ?

restocking fee in a warranty case? how? anyways i am in the EU so we do not have the concept of a restocking fee here even during the first 14 or 30 days return period, all they did was give me about 80% of what i originally paid because i have used the product for one year, so they deducted that, still a pretty good deal for having the freedom of buying any other product i wanted instead of being stuck with a problematic SKU ...