brentsg
 



The reference cards have always had a place.  I think people underestimate the demand for them, but whatever..  I've personally had better experiences in general with reference, but that anecdotal.  
 
I'm not suggesting that people buy multiple cards, just saying if you narrow it down to a few high quality cards you'd be happy with then it's not that difficult.  There is really very little difference between these cards, so if people think they'll get a significantly different experience then they are deluded.  Pick a couple manufacturers that you're comfortable with, then narrow it down to a few cards you'd like.  When one pops up, grab it.  I narrowed it down to FE or FTW from EVGA, and if I couldn't get those I was interested in MSI FE or Gaming X.  I could easily have had all of them today, with FTW being the most difficult by far.

You're right, reference cards have always had a place. But this time they are $100 more for less performance. That's never been the case, and I think that's where all went wrong. I'm not even aiming for the FTW, just want the SC from Evga but it's been impossible for me to get my hands on one and I've been all over it like a bad rash

The founders edition has less performance? Where did you get that? The shroud may not cool as well, but the FE card overclocks and performs just the same as the rest of the cards.. There is no less performance if you simply adjust the fan.

Scarlet-Tech
The founders edition has less performance? Where did you get that? The shroud may not cool as well, but the FE card overclocks and performs just the same as the rest of the cards.. There is no less performance if you simply adjust the fan.

And judging from the ones I owned, it's not an unreasonable noise level at all.  It's not some howling banshee that the internet would have you believe.  And let's face, some people like the look of that card.  I know I do.  I'd definitely still have 2 of them if it wasn't for Amazon discounting FTW for the delay.

Scarlet-Tech
None of those were seen for two weeks. So, the AIB cards have only been available for two weeks, not a month.

Exactly the point I've made twice. It was intentional to promote the release of Founders Edition, to manipulate people into spending an extra $100 for literally no gain, other than getting the card sooner. No different than what scalpers do.

diftow

Scarlet-Tech
None of those were seen for two weeks. So, the AIB cards have only been available for two weeks, not a month.

Exactly the point I've made twice. It was intentional to promote the release of Founders Edition, to manipulate people into spending an extra $100 for literally no gain, other than getting the card sooner. No different than what scalpers do.

Sorry, there are too many posts to keep up with. You are 100% correct. Nvidia did this on purpose.

Scarlet-Tech
The founders edition has less performance? Where did you get that? The shroud may not cool as well, but the FE card overclocks and performs just the same as the rest of the cards.. There is no less performance if you simply adjust the fan.

So overclocking a card with one fan and hoping it won't bug down due to heat? No thanks. Not the mention the FE draws 180 watts of power over a single 8-pin connection, while an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW draws 215W TDP via a pair of 8-pin connections. So technically you can overclock the FTW further than you can the FE, isn't that less performance? Here is an actual fact from PCworld.com "we  overclocked the Founders Edition to up to 2,088MHz (on air!!!), in practice the card began thermal-throttling speeds down to 1,870MHz or less under load, as Nvidia’s single-fan vapor chamber cooler struggled to keep the GPU cool. EVGA’s ACX 3.0 solution, on the other hand, kept an overclock running at 2,050MHz or higher across the board, topping out at a mere 74 degrees Celsius in gameplay scenarios."
 So yea, less performance for more money

Scarlet-Tech

diftow

Scarlet-Tech
None of those were seen for two weeks. So, the AIB cards have only been available for two weeks, not a month.

Exactly the point I've made twice. It was intentional to promote the release of Founders Edition, to manipulate people into spending an extra $100 for literally no gain, other than getting the card sooner. No different than what scalpers do.

Sorry, there are too many posts to keep up with. You are 100% correct. Nvidia did this on purpose.

No worries, it's really active here xD.

I still have my GTX 580. Besides my PSU, it is my only original component from my previous computers.
I upgraded from an Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale w/ 8 GB of DDR2 800 Ram, ASUS P5E motherboard, 2-3 years ago. 7200 WD Black HDD (1 TB)
The CPU was working hard, 80-100% usage all the time, had to get a nice heatsink to keep her running cool, but with a watt draw of 65, that was easy to do.
The GPU was carrying that computer, really keeping the outdated system components running my games on high with good frame rates. However, it did little to boost the performance of applications like 3D Studio Max. I finally got me an ASUS Z97-A with Intel Core i7-4790K, 32 GB of DDR3 1866 RAM, and an SSD Samsung EVO 840. Now the GPU was the dinosaur, and as recently as last month, my old HDD started acting up so I replaced it. I had plans to get the 980, but I held out a little longer because despite the age of my GPU I got a significant performance boost from the new components ; adequate enough to wait for one more series release. Well, I now regret that decision xD

I will say, I had no problem ordering the GTX 580 on launch day. It was a piece of cake.

it's annoying for me, i want evga but no stock, on the other hand, a lot of msi 1080 and 1070 in store 

Henrynguyen20
it's annoying for me, i want evga but no stock, on the other hand, a lot of msi 1080 and 1070 in store 

I know, it's been really tempting, but then I don't want to punish EVGA because this is Nvidia's fault.
I don't think MSI is a terrible company, but I had a REALLY bad experience with this POS company called VisionTek back in 2006.
Since EVGA has been good to me, I don't feel the need to take a risk. I will say though, I put an MSI motherboard into my mom's desktop, and it runs fine, but motherboards and GPUs are two different beasts though.

any new word on stock lvl's? looking for a second 1070sc.