cmoney408

sputnik7913

cmoney408

sputnik7913

cmoney408

sputnik7913
I just don't get the purpose of hybrid card... wasn't water cooling mean to eliminate dust collecting/noisy fans that are inferior in cooling??? What's all the hype? Why not just wait for HydroCopper? Which is superior in cooling, no dust, no noise....

lower temps and less noise. lower temps = more stable and higher boost clocks and OC's; while running cooler then fanned cards.
 
noisy fans, yes, i always replace stock rad fans. get higher quality fans that move more air while making less noise. i recommend noctua nf-f12's
 
i never heard anyone mention the dust collecting, that has to do with your case, air pressure and filters. hydro copper is still going to require a rad with a fan on it. same with this scenario, make sure you get quality fans!
 
though, yes the hydro removes the cards fan. BUT, with the hybrid cards it is normal to keep the cards fan at much lower speeds then it would be if you wasnt hydro. for instance my 980ti fan is set to never go above 35%. you can hear it under 40%. on top of that the hydro is going to cost much more when you add a pump, tubes, ran and fan.
 
 

I don't think you answered my question... What are advantages of Hybrid, over HydroCopper, which has a superior cooling and 0 noise?

i think you may have be confused on what the hydrocopper is. the picture shows a card with a hard casing over it. thats what you get from evga, but that is an incomplete card. if you plugged in the hydro, as it is in the picture, and played a game, your card would burn out. the hydro is meant for people who already have a custom loop. if you look at pictures of the unit, you see a little block hanging off the card with 2 circle plugs. those plugs are where you connect your custom loop/tubing.
 
so the hydo requires you to also buy a pump, fittings, tubes, rad and rad fans to have it function properly. with the hydro you are still in the same boat as with the hybrid; you still have the same cons (dust, fans, noise). except with the hydro you are also going to spend hundreds more on the extra parts. custom loops require yearly maintenance as well.
 
the hydro is the same as buying a regular fanned card and then getting an aftermarket waterblock (like ek sells).
 
the advantage of the hydro is that it comes with a water block already assembled and ready to drop in a case with a custom loop. 
 
the advantage of a custom loop: the potential for lower temps (if you have more/larger/thicker rads and high end fans). and the looks (if you have colored/hard tubing). 
 
beyond that it is pretty much agreed that custom loops are 90% aesthetics (10% performance gains). you are paying for looks, not performance. 
 
all that being said, i do one day want a custom loop, but for now a h100i on my cpu and hybrid GPU's is the most cost effective (bang for buck) setup for me.

I might have a slight understanding what HydroCopper is, but thanks anyway... I guess savings is a big enough point is success of that card, I guess i'm just not a fan of that concept.... I/m fine with the closed loop fact, but why add a fan to it?

whats not in your picture is a radiator with a fan or 2 on it that is REQUIRED for the hydro to function.

 
I didn't get that part.... It has two 360 x 60mm radiators, and it cools two hydrocopper cards and a cpu...
 
 

Having a fan on a watercooled card just for VRAM is just silly... I don't see any reason why they couldn't design close loop block that covers VRAM as well....
 
 

sputnik7913
 

i get what you are saying. check out the gigabyte. i was considering it. i hate the color. but its a 1080 all in one "hybrid" with no fan on the card it has a water block that covers the gpu and ram:
http://techreport.com/r.x/2016_6_20_New_Gigabyte_GTX_1080_is_fully_watercooled/gtx1080xgwc.jpg 
 
gigabyte: secondary plate BOLTED onto a regular aio cooler https://i.ytimg.com/vi/51hcFF85BQI/maxresdefault.jpg 
tear down video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51hcFF85BQI 
 
evga: evga: regular aio cooler with an extension plate between aio and gpu http://media.gamersnexus.net/media/k2/items/cache/ba8c45c28fd675ed7b99dcae38af8019_XL.jpg 
tear down video:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjAGkVZgMBc 
 
its been just as hard to find as the evga hybrid though.
 
one reason evga may have left the fan on could be because of cost. im sure it would cost more to design a hybrid that doesnt need a fan at all. they would need to design and produce pretty much a FULL mini waterblock. i mean gigabyte found a way, but havent seen to many reviews on how well it performs or its temps with no on board fan. to me the gigabyte block extension looks more expensive then the evga block extension.
 
another reason could be patents. maybe asetek/ek/xspc have things evga cant copy. even gigabyte didnt really do a full block for some reason, they just made an extension as well. 
 
if you think about it, most current hybrid cards are pretty much just standard/generic aio cpu water coolers mounted on gpu's. i think the gigabyte and evga are the first 2 with their 1080's to go beyond the standard aio and add their own version of vram extensions to the standard blocks. 
 
i think there is also the possibility of making a full bock AIO eating into their hydro series. 
 
im still not sure if you dont like the hybrid because the fan makes noise, its looks, or just because it has one, period. but if its because noise, let it go. your not going to hear it. but still, if any of you have a 1080 hybrid, let us know how the temps change when the fan is disabled, vs 10%, 20%, 30%. if its looks, maybe i can agree to an extent, but gigabyte doesnt have a fan, and i still think that card is ugly.

wow, talk about timing. just added to youtube:
 
gigabyte 1080 xtreme water vs evga hybrid 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvcNkOu81qk 
 
and the article:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2611-gigabyte-1080-xtreme-water-force-review-vs-evga-hybrid-seahawk 

cmoney408

sputnik7913
 

i get what you are saying. check out the gigabyte. i was considering it. i hate the color. but its a 1080 all in one "hybrid" with no fan on the card it has a water block that covers the gpu and ram:
http://techreport.com/r.x/2016_6_20_New_Gigabyte_GTX_1080_is_fully_watercooled/gtx1080xgwc.jpg 
 
gigabyte: secondary plate BOLTED onto a regular aio cooler https://i.ytimg.com/vi/51hcFF85BQI/maxresdefault.jpg 
tear down video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51hcFF85BQI 
 
evga: evga: regular aio cooler with an extension plate between aio and gpu http://media.gamersnexus.net/media/k2/items/cache/ba8c45c28fd675ed7b99dcae38af8019_XL.jpg 
tear down video:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjAGkVZgMBc 
 
its been just as hard to find as the evga hybrid though.
 
one reason evga may have left the fan on could be because of cost. im sure it would cost more to design a hybrid that doesnt need a fan at all. they would need to design and produce pretty much a FULL mini waterblock. i mean gigabyte found a way, but havent seen to many reviews on how well it performs or its temps with no on board fan. to me the gigabyte block extension looks more expensive then the evga block extension.
 
another reason could be patents. maybe asetek/ek/xspc have things evga cant copy. even gigabyte didnt really do a full block for some reason, they just made an extension as well. 
 
if you think about it, most current hybrid cards are pretty much just standard/generic aio cpu water coolers mounted on gpu's. i think the gigabyte and evga are the first 2 with their 1080's to go beyond the standard aio and add their own version of vram extensions to the standard blocks. 
 
i think there is also the possibility of making a full bock AIO eating into their hydro series. 
 
im still not sure if you dont like the hybrid because the fan makes noise, its looks, or just because it has one, period. but if its because noise, let it go. your not going to hear it. but still, if any of you have a 1080 hybrid, let us know how the temps change when the fan is disabled, vs 10%, 20%, 30%. if its looks, maybe i can agree to an extent, but gigabyte doesnt have a fan, and i still think that card is ugly.

The reason they call a Hybrid a Hybrid is because liquid is cooling the core, and in the latest hybrid, the vram too, then it has an air cooler, the fan, cooling the mosfets etc...so it's liquid and air, thus, hybrid. For Gigabyte's card, there is no fan/air cooling, therefor, it's not a Hybrid, it's a full water covered card.

B&H has the Hybrid up for pre-order.

free shipping and no tax to CA is nice.

EVGA site has them now as well.

bakedbeans6
EVGA site has them now as well.

Just saw Jacob tweet then the 4 different email addresses I registered to get notifications on came in. Order complete finally!!!

forgiven.one

bakedbeans6
EVGA site has them now as well.

Just saw Jacob tweet the 4 different email addresses I registered to get notifications on came in. Order complete finally!!!

I went ahead and jumped on the B&H pre-order. Saved about $25 in shipping costs -- I just hope they get their stock in pretty quick, or I'm going to regret it. Does anyone here have experience dealing with them?

bakedbeans6

forgiven.one

bakedbeans6
EVGA site has them now as well.

Just saw Jacob tweet the 4 different email addresses I registered to get notifications on came in. Order complete finally!!!

I went ahead and jumped on the B&H pre-order. Saved about $25 in shipping costs -- I just hope they get their stock in pretty quick, or I'm going to regret it. Does anyone here have experience dealing with them?

Plenty of complaints on here about B&H taking a long time to ship preorders.  May or may not happen this time.  Personally, over $25, I'd take the ships now option with eVGA.