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2014/09/22 09:27:40 (permalink)
Hello! I'm a budding tech enthusiast who's still learning a lot of the technical details. I've been building computers for just a couple of years, but I want to know more about the components themselves. I'm have a new X99 build in mind, but I don't know a lot about the "PCI-E" lanes. It was brought to my attention that the 5820k has less PCI-E lane (capability?) than the other two x99 chips in the series. What does this mean basically? I do have an SLI configuration in mind, so will there be a bottleneck of any kind? Will I not be able to use 2 graphics cards AND a sound card, or a PCI-E SSD? Basically, how does it split up, and is the less PCI-E lane (26 instead of 40 I think?) rating an issue?

Thanks for any help in advance. Also, if you think this post belongs in a different forum (rather than General) let me know :)
post edited by Whiplash88 - 2014/09/22 09:29:19

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    Re: i7-5820k Questions :D 2014/09/22 15:11:18 (permalink)
    Basically the 5820k has less PCI-E lanes capable like you stated from the 5930/5960. For me, I am only running one GFX card, so it made no sense for me to jump up to the $200 more expensive 5930. I am saving to get the 5960x b/c of the extra 2 cores over the other 2 chips.
     
    For me it is either buy the $300 5820k or the $1000 5960x.



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    Re: i7-5820k Questions :D 2014/09/22 15:11:30 (permalink)
    You have x16/x8/x4/ and x1 lanes.  So if your CPU is capable of supporting 26 PCIe lanes, then let's say you have two GPU's.  When put in x16 lanes, they will run at x16/x8 (24 lanes leaving 2) or each at x8 (16 lanes leaving 10) depending on the slots you use.  Keep in mind that for SLI, both slots used must be a min of x8.
     
    So you would subtract off how many lanes a device needs from your total available.
     
    I'm not explaining it as technical as some other members might be able to, but this should give you the general idea of it.  Of course if your CPU is capable of 40 lanes, then you have that much more capability to work with.
     
    Also, if your board has a PLX chip, that also adds some capability beyond the 26 lanes supported by the 5820.  There are pro's and con's to that.
     


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: i7-5820k Questions :D 2014/09/22 18:54:57 (permalink)
    So 16x has uses 16 lanes, 8x uses 8 lanes, and if I were to buy a sound card and place it in a 4x slot, it would only occupy 4 lanes correct? I figure 8x8x SLI (16 lanes) and a sound card in either another 8x or just a 4x would work great right? because I've also read that 8x8x SLI vs 16x16x performance difference is literally nothing even on a bad day.

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    Re: i7-5820k Questions :D 2014/09/22 19:09:44 (permalink)
     
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    Re: i7-5820k Questions :D 2014/09/23 05:59:10 (permalink)
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    So 16x has uses 16 lanes, 8x uses 8 lanes, and if I were to buy a sound card and place it in a 4x slot, it would only occupy 4 lanes correct? I figure 8x8x SLI (16 lanes) and a sound card in either another 8x or just a 4x would work great right? because I've also read that 8x8x SLI vs 16x16x performance difference is literally nothing even on a bad day.


    That's correct.  Two GPU's running at 8x leaves you enough capability to run your other cards up to the amount of lanes left that your CPU supports.
     
    As far as performance goes, 8x running Gen3 is about the same as 16x running Gen2.  You might see a bit of a difference (if any) in benchmark numbers, but gaming wise, I don't think you'd notice any difference.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: i7-5820k Questions :D 2014/09/27 10:19:33 (permalink)
    Whiplash88I'm have a new X99 build in mind, but I don't know a lot about the "PCI-E" lanes. It was brought to my attention that the 5820k has less PCI-E lane (capability?) than the other two x99 chips in the series. What does this mean basically

     
    In essence, the PCI-E lanes allow the CPU (or chipset) to communicate with add-on boards and controllers (GPU, sound card, extra SATA controller, etc).  Typically, the X99 chipset will have 8 PCI-E 2.0 lanes, and the CPU will have either 28 (5820K) or 40 (5930/5960K) PCI-E 3.0 lanes. 
     
    Whiplash88I do have an SLI configuration in mind, so will there be a bottleneck of any kind?

    From what I've seen in the reviews, no.  Maybe the really top-end boards are getting towards bottlenecking on 8x PCI-E 3.0 lanes, but the benefit you get from SLI'ing them outweighs any bottleneck penalty.  I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me in the individual boards will be able to provide some numbers. :)
     
    Whiplash88 Will I not be able to use 2 graphics cards AND a sound card, or a PCI-E SSD? Basically, how does it split up, and is the less PCI-E lane (26 instead of 40 I think?) rating an issue?

    It really depends upon the manufacturer and the model of the motherboard as to how they're split up, so you're going to have to look at the specs for the board you want.  For example, ASUS's X99-A has 3x PCI-E 3.0 16-lane slots, 1 PCI-E 2.0 16-lane slot (supporting 4 lanes only), and 2x PCI-E 2.0 1-lane slots.  With a 40-lane CPU, the first 2 GPUs get 16 lanes each, and number 3 will get 8 lanes.  With a 28-lane CPU, the first GPU gets 16 lanes, number 2 gets 8 lanes, and number 3 gets 4 lanes.  Just to complicate things, the M.2 slot shares bandwidth with the 4th PCI-E x16 slot, so you can only use one or the other (for either CPU type).
     
    Does that help any?

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    Re: i7-5820k Questions :D 2014/09/27 12:22:29 (permalink)
    It helps a lot, thank you! I'll definitely look at the manual/breakdown of the board I get before purchasing it, to make the right decision for my build. I'd like to have at least 2 video cards, and Either a sound card or M.2 storage on the last pci-e lane. Is there away to find out how much bandwidth a sound card my require? (or just how many lanes I should designate it?)

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