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Running a new build and I played Battlefield 1 for the first time today. I'm noticing that my GPU usage is hovering around 60-100% and not being at 100% like it should be. For single player the GPU is at 100% but for multiplayer that's what it looks like. From my understanding my CPU is bottlenecking my GPU? What should I do? Im getting the same thing for Battlefield 4 as well. I'm not getting any lag, but I would like my CPU usage to go down. Specs: i5 6600k EVGA 1070 FTW ASUS Z170-Pro 16GB Gskill Vengance X @3200mhz (Don't have it set at OC yet) EVGA 750W G2 1080P 60hz monitor (Upgrading to 2k soon) Temps are all fine, GPU doesn't go over like 62C, CPU doesn't usually go over like 40C. I have the GPU set on max performance as well.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/18 21:48:44
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Is your cpu overclocked? You could try to mess with vsr or with the build in resolution scaler to see if it helps
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/18 22:17:16
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I don't have it overclocked yet so stock 3.5ghz and 3.9ghz boost.
Whats VSR?
I tried turning AA to high and resolution scale to 110, but that just increased GPU and CPU load, didn't bring down CPU load.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/18 23:02:33
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Wooohah I don't have it overclocked yet so stock 3.5ghz and 3.9ghz boost.
Whats VSR?
I tried turning AA to high and resolution scale to 110, but that just increased GPU and CPU load, didn't bring down CPU load.
Well, you're only running at 1080p so you're more or less CPU limited until you increase the load on your GPU. Over clocking will help somewhat. Games are becoming more multi-threaded. I'm not sure how much only having 4 threads is limiting you.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/18 23:12:41
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Your CPU will be a slight bottleneck. CPU Overclocking should help a little.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 00:06:03
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Is overclocking really the only solution?
I'm upgrading to 2k very soon, its just a matter of finding a monitor at this point. I'm thinking 2k at like 75hz or something like that.
That should increase load on my GPU and take some load off my CPU right? or will I still need to OC then?
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 00:10:29
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Or should I be looking at an i7 6700k? lol
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 00:15:21
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totally different situation here, running also 6600K and 1070FTW (no OC on both). while playing BF1 my GPU is almost constantly at %100, driver is the 376.19 whql. never had so much fluctuation on the GPU usage like you do. I think if there is a reason for it it's most likely not the cpu (assuming there is no heat issue of any kind). my temps are below 45C for CPU and around 55C for GPU, under full game load.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 00:32:08
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Yeah no heat issues of any kind. CPU under 100% load gets about 45C, GPU under 100% load gets about 61C with fan on.
Although I am running the 375.95 drivers.
I'm getting 100% or near 100% CPU load even with Vsync on :/
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 00:41:26
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if I disable HT on my 4770k at 4.3 then I see plenty of games fully pegging the cpu. the first Watch Dogs will hitch and stutter with HT off and even Mafia 3 loses about 25% peromance and feels like garbage just trying to pan around with HT off. I just laugh at the people that think we dont need more than 4 cores even on high end gaming pc. these would be the same clowns that say you dont ever need more than 8gb of system ram and that memory speed does not ever matter either.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 00:52:49
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Whats HT? I'm not fully understanding your comment lol
I mean I have an i5, before buying the 1070 everyone assured me my i5 wouldnt bottleneck it and I would be fine. More or less the same thing is even happening with BF4 lol.
And I've got Trident Z, 16GB at 3200mhz
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 01:34:14
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A 6600K is not going to bottleneck a 1070. My 4690K didn't bottleneck my 1070. What exactly are your frame rates? Compare it to others with the 1070 and if it's the same or close who cares. http://www.guru3d.com/art...enchmark_review,6.html
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 02:25:44
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Look at your cpu usage. If it is reaching 100 percent usage while gaming then yes. Use a program like Afterburner or Precision to check. You may just be getting a spike now and then. System resource is unreliable.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 03:59:29
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Wooohah Whats HT? I'm not fully understanding your comment lol
I mean I have an i5, before buying the 1070 everyone assured me my i5 wouldnt bottleneck it and I would be fine. More or less the same thing is even happening with BF4 lol.
And I've got Trident Z, 16GB at 3200mhz
He is saying he turned his Hyper Threading off on his i7 6700K which turns it into your i5 6600K. And that is what he discovered. You would probably be best served with getting an i7 or waiting a bit for the new Intel i7 to launch. They will be compatible with the current Z170 boards with a BIOS update. People need to get out of the dark ages and stop recommending the i5.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 04:33:49
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Ill need to check my FPS later today, but it is consistently at 100% CPU usage even in afterburner.
Upgrading to an i7 is what im thinking right now. I didn't think it would come to this... but it seems a lot more newer games are starting to need an i7 for processing open world, etc. Apparently my i5 6600k is the minimum requirement for BF1...ouch.
But everything else for me I should be good.
I was going to go for the 6700k, but I realized the 7700k is gonna come out early January. I might wait for that to come out and wait another month to see the consensus and have any possible issues be fixed before I buy it.
I'm running an ASUS Z170 Pro, I know the 7700k is coming with some Z200 level boards, but if I don't get a Z270 board, I can still overclock and what not right? There realistically won't be a difference for me now?
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/19 05:17:03
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No difference, overclock, get something out of your current CPU. The 7700K will only be compatible with Z170 through a BIOS update if one is supplied. Otherwise, you will need to get a Z270 Board.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/20 02:13:40
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personally i think you should overclock your cpu since its unlocked, its pretty easy if you understand the basics and it just gives you free performance. im running my i5-6600k at 4.4GHz with my old noctua nh-l12 without problems. i left voltage on auto.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/20 07:40:27
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I got my i5 6600k overclocked to 4.4 GHz and also have it as a bottleneck in Battlefield 1 on 100%
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/20 08:32:30
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I am using a ASUS Z170-S motherboard with a i7-6700k and I had to disable EIST or I was losing 4,000 pts in Firestrike because something was throttling my CPU. At the end of the run my average CPU clock speed was only 3800 MHz. I disabled EIST and now I got my benchmark scores back. The downside is that my CPU idles at 4,000 MHz and boosts to 4,600 MHz. I am going back to my i7-4790k and my MSI Z97 Gaming 7 motherboard as they are much better at driving my video boards.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/20 08:50:34
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1080p is the problem. Running a higher resolution/overclocking the cpu should help. Use DSR inside the nvidia control panel to increase your resolution, use the first resolution that allows your gpu to work at 100% usage.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/20 10:53:47
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No surprise here. You need an i7 to take full advantage of a 1070/1080. Its been talked about many times on here. You can overclock to the moon. Its not going to help with that i5. Also. 1070/1080 is for 1440p on up. If you was going to stay at 1080p. That 1070 is a complete waste and a 1060 would have been better. Unless you plan on upgrading past 1080p sooner then later. I would sell that i5 and get a i7 6700k. You will feel and notice a very nice difference.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/20 14:36:11
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Sajin 1080p is the problem. Running a higher resolution/overclocking the cpu should help. Use DSR inside the nvidia control panel to increase your resolution, use the first resolution that allows your gpu to work at 100% usage.
+1 1080P is too easy on the GPU and it will keep hitting the CPU with "now what" because those 10 series GPUs are that good. If yo do not have the stock CPU cooler, OC the CPU is easy enough to do. As long as you do not need hyper-threading for your software, the I5 is a good CPU (edit typo)
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/20 16:15:31
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Good lord the misinformation in this thread. Bumping your resolution will not lower the load on your CPU, just increase the GPU usage. Overclock that thing, it will absolutely help.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/20 17:04:31
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Battlefield is pretty CPU bound because of the high number of players in a match. An i5 6600K could be a slight bottleneck for a 1070. If you want more frames at 1080p then oc that cpu.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/21 01:05:59
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somethingc00l Good lord the misinformation in this thread. Bumping your resolution will not lower the load on your CPU, just increase the GPU usage. Overclock that thing, it will absolutely help.
and you are flat out wrong as I have tested this before. higher res will lesson the cpu load just like lowering the resolution will increase it. maybe you should actually test something before acting like a know-it-all. this is quick test on my 750 ti back up card since I just sold my 1080. low res cpu usage 46% http://postimg.org/image/ru5xb03pr/ high res cpu usage 28% https://postimg.org/image/wyp4ib2cd/ and that is in a game that is still pushing my 750 ti usage to 99% gpu usage at low res so with a high end card the cpu usage difference would be much bigger.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/21 03:12:26
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Battlefield 1 eats up the CPU. My 3960X at 3.8ghz gets hit 100% in that game also. It must be hitting the CPU hard since my fans on my radiator really ramp up on that game.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/21 05:22:49
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So what I think i'll do is mess with the settings a little bit for now, then upgrade myself to a i7 6700k or 7700k (when it comes out), then 1440P monitor. It seems the general consensus is that the i5 needs overclocking for sure, but it may only help and it may only help minimally. It seems a lot more games now really are needing an i7 to get the full experience. If I turn off Vsync and what not, and throw my settings on Ultra, I get about 100-120 FPS. Which is normal, but I get a bit of stuttering.
I did a lot more reading on different forums such as the battlefield forums, apparently I'm definitely not alone. It seems that Battlefield also lists the i5 6600k as the minimum required spec :/ (ouch) and recommends an i7 4790k instead.
Now its just figuring out if I should get the 6700k now, or wait for the 7700k, Worried a bit about compatibility issues since its rolling out with the Z200 level boards. I know they're backwards compatible with Z170 boards through a Bios update but i'm worried there could possibly be other things?
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/21 08:38:07
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My Firestrike scores show my i7-4790k is better at driving my video boards than this i7-6700k both at 4.6 GHz. The 6700k gives me slightly higher PhysX scores but the 4790k gives me better graphics scores across the board. As soon as I have time I am going back to my 4790k and putting this 6700k and the ASUS rubbish on a shelf somewhere convenient so I can forget it exists.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/21 09:15:34
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Zuhl3156 My Firestrike scores show my i7-4790k is better at driving my video boards than this i7-6700k both at 4.6 GHz. The 6700k gives me slightly higher PhysX scores but the 4790k gives me better graphics scores across the board. As soon as I have time I am going back to my 4790k and putting this 6700k and the ASUS rubbish on a shelf somewhere convenient so I can forget it exists.
The 4790K has better graphics in the HD 4600. The 6700K's HD 530 was not up to par. In all other areas the 6700K is the better CPU. I wouldn't be too concerned about the narrow graphics drop.
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Re: i5 6600k Bottlenecking EVGA GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/12/21 15:12:10
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Hey there, The problem, like Sajin said, is your current monitor resolution (1080p). Most games are just starting to tap out the Core i5/i7 series back from 2011 (Sandy Bridge), so a current Skylake or previous Broadwell and Ivy Bridge i5 processors offer more than enough horsepower to feed a 1070 or a 1080. I'm running an i5 6600K, and even at stock speeds processor usage doesn't go above 60 to 70 percent, depending on the game. Even multithreaded games don't tax an i5 6600K enough, because most multithreaded games aren't really that well optimized to take full advantage of an i5's four cores, much less the eight cores on an i7. There is no need for you to upgrade to an i7 with the current generation of games (or even most games coming down the pipeline) in order to take full advantage of a 1070. Most games will be GPU-bound before they are close to being CPU-bound. The difference is that I use a GTX 1080 to run a 1440p 27 inch monitor (ASUS PB278Q). In my scenario, GPU usage (depending on game) stays between 90 and 100 percent; as an example, Titanfall 2 takes the 1080 regularly to 90 percent, while the i5 workload fluctuates between 40 and 60 percent. Framerates with every graphical setting on max yields, on average, 98 to 130 FPS with VSync off. You do not need an i7 to keep a 1070/1080 fed, you just need to game at a higher resolution. An i7 is great if you use multithreaded workloads like video/sound editing, 3D content creation/modelling, but for pure gaming an i5 is more than enough. At 1080p, a 1070/1080 will keep its clock at 1.5Ghz or a bit lower because it doesn't need it's full speed to render over 100 FPS. My i5 6600K will accept a max, stable overclock of 4.7Ghz at 1.355 volts. The FPS gain at that speed is negligible, at best. Plus, going up to an i7 would introduce more heat into the system. You'll hear people say an i5 is not enough and to go with an i7, but I can tell you from experience that it doesn't matter. Save your money, keep the i5 and invest in a good 1440p monitor.
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