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2010/08/23 08:44:30 (permalink)
So I'm playing with my new wattmeter and here's what I found. I believe that if I divide the PPD by watts, then I get the client's efficiency so the higher the better. For propriety, I shall call this a "rklapp" unit of measurement.
 
smp= 100 watts or 65 PPD/W (this assumes a bonus of 6500 PPD which can vary significantly according to HFM)
 
470 = 184 watts or 73 PPD/W
 
250 = 78 watts or 77 PPD/W
 
9800 = 49 watts or 102 PPD/W
 
Therefore, it looks like the 9800 gpu is the most efficient at folding with the most rklapps. When I return from my trip next week, I'll try remeasure again.

 
  
 
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 09:10:03 (permalink)
    interesting
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 11:14:33 (permalink)
    you mean 9800gt? i assume?
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 11:18:54 (permalink)
    If you have the 9800gt ee version could you test that also.I bet that would be top dog on your list.

    This one
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133279

     



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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 11:35:12 (permalink)
    are all of those results taken with the same PSU since they all have varying efficiencies and are the cards at stock speeds?
    also i myself am getting much better results with the 470's than you are. my 470 is using 130watts when folding at 750mhz @1.025v with a ratio of around 110 PPD/W
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 11:53:11 (permalink)
    rklapp
    So I'm playing with my new wattmeter and here's what I found. I believe that if I divide the PPD by watts
    What system hardware specs did you test with?  Someone with a different configuration but the same cards may not get the sale results of PPD/Watt as you have.  Also, which wattage?  If you have an outlet power meter, you're including the power the PSU uses to convert AC to DC that shouldn't count.  
     
    For example, if you read 400W from an outlet using an 80% eff PSU, actual system wattage is 320W.  This is important because not everyone owns the same PSU with the same efficiency rating, as ajr23 mentioned.  An 87% eff PSU would read 367W from the wall, while a 75% eff PSU would read 426W from the wall.
     
    This would either make those numbers you gather more appealing to someone with a better PSU to invest in more graphics cards for folding, than someone with a less efficient PSU to go out and waste more power for the same task.
    post edited by lehpron - 2010/08/23 11:56:02

    For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

    Introduction to Thermoelectric Cooling
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 11:54:16 (permalink)
    Sorry, it's the 9800gt.

    When I measured the 470, I noticed that watts partially drop when I paused the systray client. I measured the full 184 watts when I exit the systray.

    I'll measure later and see if I get the same results. Don't forget, it's 110 rklapps, not 110 PPD/W!

    BTW, when I'm running all 3 gpu and Prime95 (don't want to start another smp before I leave), I'm using 625 watts. The meter is showing a projected cost of $26 at the $.117/kwh rate.

     
      
     
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 12:07:30 (permalink)
    lehpron
    What system hardware specs did you test with?  Someone with a different configuration but the same cards may not get the sale results of PPD/Watt as you have.  Also, which wattage?  If you have an outlet power meter, you're including the power the PSU uses to convert AC to DC that shouldn't count.  


    With the wattmeter plugged into the outlet, I turned on each client and measured against the baseline. I agree that it's difficult to compare system to system. The variables are the other components running and the PPD for each client.
     
    If I run them all and shut down each one at a time, I get the following in this order.
     
    9800 = 51W and 98 rklapps
     
    250 = 94W and 64 rklapps
     
    470 = 187W and 72 rklapps
     
    smp = 115W and 57 rklapps
     
    Again, the 9800gt comes out on top.

     
      
     
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 12:19:06 (permalink)
    Baseline being an idle system?

    My dual X5670 gets somewhere around 400 rklapps based on that.

    I'm sure this is being measured with an AC wattmeter.  To measure a PC after the PSU output would take a fairly fancy rig that measured multiple DC voltages.  Plus, most people pay their electricity bill based on their AC power draw, so AC power is most relevant.

    Regardless, the efficiency of the power supply doesn't matter here - the relative ratings will not change as long as all the measurements are in the same efficiency range of the PSU.  Since these are all done individually starting at the same idle power, that should be true.
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 12:29:20 (permalink)
    Punchy

    Baseline being an idle system?


    Yes. I give it half a minute for the wattage to stabalize before measuring.

     
      
     
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 12:43:14 (permalink)
    I wonder how a GTX 460 would compare. It has a TDP rating of 150-160 watts (depending on model) compared to the 470's 215 watts. I get about 8600-9000 ppd with my 460.

     
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 14:47:37 (permalink)
    Understanding there can be differences (%+- in accuracy) in the wattage readers we are using, I'm seeing the following with my EVGA GTX470 SC+ (default clock) and using MSI Afterburner to control fan speeds.

    PC at Idle before starting the GPU Folding client = 194W

    PC at the point the first 250 (out of a 25000 total) job starts = 338W

    PC a few minutes after the job has been running (settled out) = 345W

    So the maximum that my GTX470 is drawing as relates to running the Folding GPU client is 151W.

    Rick



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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 20:33:07 (permalink)
    That's interesting, I guess if I have to cut back on folding (power) then I'll choose my 470 to leave on.  I'm very interested what the 460 will get as far as performance per watt.  I thought that the 9600gso or something did really good also, didn't lefty have some of those?  




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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 20:34:23 (permalink)
    i think i have 2 of his 9600's, one died, but the other guy is folding nicely at a steady 3k ppd..
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 22:17:05 (permalink)
    How much do they pull?  (watts)




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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 22:26:02 (permalink)
    i couldn't tell ya 
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 22:28:32 (permalink)
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 22:40:05 (permalink)
    so then, my 9600 has a rklapp rating of 28.57 right?
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/23 23:09:47 (permalink)
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    so then, my 9600 has a rklapp rating of 28.57 right?


    Why yes, that would be correct!
     
    texinga
    Understanding there can be differences (%+- in accuracy) in the wattage readers we are using, I'm seeing the following with my EVGA GTX470 SC+ (default clock) and using MSI Afterburner to control fan speeds.

    PC at Idle before starting the GPU Folding client = 194W

    PC at the point the first 250 (out of a 25000 total) job starts = 338W

    PC a few minutes after the job has been running (settled out) = 345W

    So the maximum that my GTX470 is drawing as relates to running the Folding GPU client is 151W.

    Rick

     
    I'm running at 1450 shaders compared to the default 1250. When I return from my trip, I'll have to compare OC to default. Perhaps that's why I'm getting 30W more.

     
      
     
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/24 15:30:21 (permalink)
    700_up 
     I'm very interested what the 460 will get as far as performance per watt. 


    When I added to gtx460s to my rig it's added 280W for 20-21K (slightly overclocked)
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/24 23:48:07 (permalink)
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    so then, my 9600 has a rklapp rating of 28.57 right?

    So that would be pretty bad right?  




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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/29 21:26:49 (permalink)
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    If I run them all and shut down each one at a time, I get the following in this order.
     
    9800 = 51W and 98 rklapps
     
    250 = 94W and 64 rklapps
     
    470 = 187W and 72 rklapps
     
    smp = 115W and 57 rklapps 


    I measured them again in reverse order, shutting down each at a time.
     
    smp = 81W and 80 rklapps
     
    470 = 200W and 67 rklapps
     
    250 = 93W and 64 rklapps
     
    9800 - 57W and 87 rklapps
     
    Same results except that I'm surprised the smp is using less watts this time. Not sure why. Also, I noticed that the 470 systray client still uses 127W if placed on pause instead of quit. Does the systray usually use energy when on paused?

     
      
     
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/29 21:30:20 (permalink)
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    BShurilla09

    so then, my 9600 has a rklapp rating of 28.57 right?

    So that would be pretty bad right?  


    That means it's using more watts for less points than the modern cards so I would say so.

     
      
     
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    Re:Wattage results 2010/08/29 21:33:07 (permalink)
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    I'm running at 1450 shaders compared to the default 1250. When I return from my trip, I'll have to compare OC to default. Perhaps that's why I'm getting 30W more.


    It looks like the change in the shaders increases by 18 watts.

     
      
     
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