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2014/11/01 12:22:22 (permalink)
I've got a EVGA GTX 780 ti Dual Classified (The newer model, 2888) overclocked to 1241Mhz boost on LN2 on air. Temps never pass 75C while gaming and 82C while stress testing.
My question is... Should i step up to a 980 classified? I only have 20 days left to purchase the extended warranty. I forgot to register it within the 14 days since i put my system together after those 14 days so i have to buy it for like $30. I will do another rig in about 3 years or so once im out of college so i can go all out lol. 
 
Would it be worth it considering that the 980 ti might launch soon? Remember i only have 20 days to decide. :(
I payed about 650$ for my Ti in August.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/01 14:15:54 (permalink)
    I also have 2 780 ti's and would never consider upgrading to the 980 my cards are too new. But if you don't mind spending more money go for it. The 980 classy is so far the best performing single gpu . Maybe closer to Christmas time we'll get a 980 ti..  

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/01 16:59:50 (permalink)
    saifrehman23Should i step up to a 980 classified?....Would it be worth it considering that the 980 ti might launch soon? Remember i only have 20 days to decide.



    I've been testing a 980 SC:ACX2 with TitanBlack SC's. I see no reason to dump a 780ti for 980 unless you need the vram for editing, coding, UHD, etc.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/01 18:37:58 (permalink)
    I am moving to four 980's, but this will be two new rigs. I already have a rig with three 780 Ti's which I would not change at this point in time.



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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/01 19:43:49 (permalink)
    I'd keep the 780 Ti, also keep in mind the 980 classified most likely won't ever be apart of the step up program given its a top tier card. Right now they only have the 980 ACX 2.0.
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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/02 15:24:37 (permalink)
    Pick up a second 780 Ti for dirt cheap!

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/03 10:05:57 (permalink)
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    I also have 2 780 ti's and would never consider upgrading to the 980 my cards are too new. But if you don't mind spending more money go for it. The 980 classy is so far the best performing single gpu . Maybe closer to Christmas time we'll get a 980 ti..  




    I don't mind spending 30$ on a better card but i am not convinced that the 980 is actually better. I only have 20 days as well. Can't wait until Christmas. :(
     
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    saifrehman23Should i step up to a 980 classified?....Would it be worth it considering that the 980 ti might launch soon? Remember i only have 20 days to decide.



    I've been testing a 980 SC:ACX2 with TitanBlack SC's. I see no reason to dump a 780ti for 980 unless you need the vram for editing, coding, UHD, etc.




    With the new DSR feature available to 7xx series you can play 4k on a 1080p monitor. Right now Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor uses up all my vram. Evolve alpha used quite a bit of it as well.
     
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    I am moving to four 980's, but this will be two new rigs. I already have a rig with three 780 Ti's which I would not change at this point in time.



    Would you upgrade those three 780 Ti's for 30$ a pop?
     
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    Pick up a second 780 Ti for dirt cheap!




    For 30$ i doubt it. Lol.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/03 10:49:12 (permalink)
    For only 30 $ more money the benefits would be way better power consumption more vram over the 780 ti, And the 980 classy does bench well, you could go over to hwbot and take a look at some scores see for your self.  

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/03 10:55:11 (permalink)
    Chuck H.
    For only 30 $ more money the benefits would be way better power consumption more vram over the 780 ti, And the 980 classy does bench well, you could go over to hwbot and take a look at some scores see for your self.  




    I looked some up but the funny thing is that the 780 ti actually beats the 980 in some benches.
    http://hwbot.org/compare/...,138,24,23,73,74,66,75

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/03 13:40:45 (permalink)
    Yeah, I will be at the end of my stepup program on Dec 9th and I am still on the fence on if I should step up to the 980's.  I compare many benchmarks with similar setups as mine and at times, my setup has higher scores.  Some bechmarks/games the 780 Ti's is faster........so I do not know if I should make the jump.  I am leaning towards the NO side because I have spent a lot of time tweaking my GPU/CPU to get it just right and stable.  I do not mind the process at times but it's like starting all over again.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/03 13:53:31 (permalink)
    I think that's to little performance difference for upgrade.
    That's my thinking. GTX780Ti is somehow closer to my heart, maybe because it's premium chip same as in Titan, never mind on 5-10% difference. GTX980 is newer card is somehow logic to be at least 5% better to avoid weaker card than previous.
    And that's difference only if you compare Classified model.
    GTX980 could be nice upgrade for GTX780, Titan, GTX770 and previous cards.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 08:48:27 (permalink)
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    I think that's to little performance difference for upgrade.
    That's my thinking. GTX780Ti is somehow closer to my heart, maybe because it's premium chip same as in Titan, never mind on 5-10% difference. GTX980 is newer card is somehow logic to be at least 5% better to avoid weaker card than previous.
    And that's difference only if you compare Classified model.
    GTX980 could be nice upgrade for GTX780, Titan, GTX770 and previous cards.




    I feel you on that one, im running mine on 1241Mhz boost on air. It's pretty damn fast. What i am worried about is the new driver features that the maxwell got. Even though we already got DSR, what about the other ones? The lighting feature and the MFAA? Will they come in the future? The 780 ti is clearly a better card but with updates it could be even better. The 980 is just heavily optimized. I really don't know where to go. I might just keep this classified puppy since i can only step up to a SC ACX 2.0 version of the 980. 
     
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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 13:34:58 (permalink)
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    I think that's to little performance difference for upgrade.
    That's my thinking. GTX780Ti is somehow closer to my heart, maybe because it's premium chip same as in Titan, never mind on 5-10% difference. GTX980 is newer card is somehow logic to be at least 5% better to avoid weaker card than previous.
    And that's difference only if you compare Classified model.
    GTX980 could be nice upgrade for GTX780, Titan, GTX770 and previous cards.




    I feel you on that one, im running mine on 1241Mhz boost on air. It's pretty damn fast. What i am worried about is the new driver features that the maxwell got. Even though we already got DSR, what about the other ones? The lighting feature and the MFAA? Will they come in the future? The 780 ti is clearly a better card but with updates it could be even better. The 980 is just heavily optimized. I really don't know where to go. I might just keep this classified puppy since i can only step up to a SC ACX 2.0 version of the 980. 
     
    PS: I REALLY WANT A BACKPLATE BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE EARTH SWALLOWED THEM ALL!




    When i heard that they are dicontinuing the 780 Ti's, I went online and bought 2 Backplates for my cards at 17.99 a piece.  Glad I did then when I did.  As for 1241 boost on air, what are your settings and what are you using to overclock it?  Currently I am using MSI Afterburner and have a slight overclock.  I can make some settings pretty high and it will only be stable for about 2 hours before crashing in a game. 

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 14:45:39 (permalink)
    I want a back-plate so bad :( What pisses me off is that the 780 Ti only has 3GB of VRAM. Evolve maxes out my vram, middle earth shadow of mordor, and probably other games as well. I'm using MSI Afterburner +90Mhz Core +400Mhz Memory +25mV overvolt 115% power limit 85 temp limit. But my trick is the GTX Classified Controller i up the pwm frequency to 571kHz allowing a more stable flow of power, which in turn allows a higher stable overclock. I only use this profile on really demanding games, on games i can easily get 75 fps on stock i just leave it on stock speeds.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 16:50:07 (permalink)
    I have done some research and found out that some games fill your VRAM with textures. Even if those textures are not being currently used. 

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 19:10:53 (permalink)
    I was in same situation when I upgrade from HD5870 to HD6970.
    Difference in tests was 1000 points in 3DMark 11 but feeling in gaming completely different.
    Someone who don't know what is inside PC to and play games he will tell HD5870 is newer and little better.
    But HD6970 had as little nicer picture, higher max fps, lower min fps and constant stuttering.
    HD5870 was smooth.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 19:17:17 (permalink)
    I don't say situation here is same as Radeon before few years, GTX980 is obvious better for OC and we can expect from GM210 only less capability for OC, less power consumption but difference between K|NGP|N Classified and GTX980 Classified is 1000 points in Firestrike, I mean on gaming setting out of box. From other side difference between K|NGP|N and GTX780Ti reference is 2000. I don't want to talk to other people what to do, it's nice to have always newer if situation allow that but for me for gaming GTX780Ti highly overclocked is something nicest.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 19:24:31 (permalink)
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    I was in same situation when I upgrade from HD5870 to HD6970.
    Difference in tests was 1000 points in 3DMark 11 but feeling in gaming completely different.
    Someone who don't know what is inside PC to and play games he will tell HD5870 is newer and little better.
    But HD6970 had as little nicer picture, higher max fps, lower min fps and constant stuttering.
    HD5870 was smooth.




    Yeah but those are most likely software issues, not hardware related. Once the drivers are polished out they both will be smooth and the performance increase will be stable but i am not sure about that. The 980 was supposed to replace the 780 not the 780 Ti. I feel like if i upgrade i will take a huge hit below the belt. You feel me? I am not convinced yet. I only have around 16 days left to decide if i want to swap to the 980 or not. I am so stressed, someone help me!

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 19:37:01 (permalink)
    I think to stay on GTX780Ti 3GB only because my object is when GM210 show up to sell GTX780Ti and to buy GM210.
    Same as I done with GTX780 Classified. Because of that I look on whole thing as not necessary, but you can earn more money later if you sell GTX980 than GTX780Ti. I suppose. If you plan to change again later. Because my next card can't be under 6GB memory. That will be card for 24 months and I don't wan to compare at all how much memory need. From performance side you can't feel performance increase. This is average layout
    GTX780Ti > Titan Black > GTX780Ti SC > Titan Black SC > GTX980 > GTX780Ti Classified > GTX980 SC > GTX780Ti KPC > GTX980 Classified.
    Many things depend from silicon because we talk about 300-400-700 points difference in Firestrike Performance GPU between model and example GTX980 SC will be better than GTX780Ti KPC, sometimes not.
    Or Titan Black SC will be stronger than some GTX980. Difference is tight except reference GTX780Ti > GTX980 Classified.
    That's more than 20-25% if I saw good.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 20:00:54 (permalink)
    If you are thinking of upgrading you have to take these aspects into consideration. The 780 Ti Classifieds have Keplar GPU Architecture which performs pretty good versus the 980 and is up there in Benchmarks. With the new 340 driver that allows DSR to be used in all graphic card models from 580-900 will probably give you some better textures in terms in some games. Now lots of gamers have reported that the new driver cases consitant tearing on the screen and to include your FPS will probably drop as well. That being said the Maxwell architecture is sophisticated at best because you have a 256 bit card that out performs the 384 bit gtx 780 with less power consumption. It also uses two 6 pin connectors versus the 780TI which is 8 and 6 pin (this is just so you know). Also you have features such as MFAA on the 900 series cards which delivers a 30% performance boost while maintaining smooth, high-quality edges by alternativing sample calculations across each frame and each pixel. While TXAA Support for new temporal anti-aliasing technique that delivers the ultimate combination of image quality and performance. FXAA is Shader-based anti-aliasing technology available from the NVIDIA Control Panel that enables ultra-fast anti-aliasing in hundreds of PC games. ACX 1.0 versus 2.0 is obvious that the second version brings better cooling. Inconclusion your gtx 780 video card is still a beastly card with awesome features, and while they are nearly neck in neck in performance with the 980s other than the features. Just consider the availability of the 900 series video cards because they sell quick which is my problem in purchasing them.
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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 20:53:49 (permalink)
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    If you are thinking of upgrading you have to take these aspects into consideration. The 780 Ti Classifieds have Keplar GPU Architecture which performs pretty good versus the 980 and is up there in Benchmarks. With the new 340 driver that allows DSR to be used in all graphic card models from 580-900 will probably give you some better textures in terms in some games. Now lots of gamers have reported that the new driver cases consitant tearing on the screen and to include your FPS will probably drop as well. That being said the Maxwell architecture is sophisticated at best because you have a 256 bit card that out performs the 384 bit gtx 780 with less power consumption. It also uses two 6 pin connectors versus the 780TI which is 8 and 6 pin (this is just so you know). Also you have features such as MFAA on the 900 series cards which delivers a 30% performance boost while maintaining smooth, high-quality edges by alternativing sample calculations across each frame and each pixel. While TXAA Support for new temporal anti-aliasing technique that delivers the ultimate combination of image quality and performance. FXAA is Shader-based anti-aliasing technology available from the NVIDIA Control Panel that enables ultra-fast anti-aliasing in hundreds of PC games. ACX 1.0 versus 2.0 is obvious that the second version brings better cooling. Inconclusion your gtx 780 video card is still a beastly card with awesome features, and while they are nearly neck in neck in performance with the 980s other than the features. Just consider the availability of the 900 series video cards because they sell quick which is my problem in purchasing them.


     
    It doesn't out-perform the 780 Ti Classified. I do like the fact that it has less power consumption but i don't want to sacrifice performance. My Classy has 2 8 pin connectors. The MFAA is enticing but my guess would be that it will probably come down to older cards just like DSR did. I'm sorry mate, i could not understand what you were trying to accomplish with that information. It seems like you just copied everything from the stats of the 980 lol. 

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 21:06:22 (permalink)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    The gtx 980s does out perform the 780 ti classifieds in benchmarks. I have the benchmarks right here on my screen; for some reason I can't post links yet. Like I said in some benchmarks it will be close neck to neck. I copied and pasted some of the information such as the MFAA,TXAA, and the FXAA so you can compare and contrast features of anti-aliasing. The rest of the information I have written based on my knowledge of the GPUs. Still the GTX 780s are a beastly video card in which if your just gaming overall it will be great to have.
    post edited by Kryptonite787 - 2014/11/04 21:21:50
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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 21:07:34 (permalink)
    Should you jump? No.
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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/04 21:14:53 (permalink)

     

     
     
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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/05 00:54:48 (permalink)
    In USA conditions I would try every series, but I must limited self on little longer before upgrade.
    I must miss something first chip from architecture or second premium. Because I promise self I will always go on Classified cards and premium chip better if I miss GTX980 than something what will completely beat any R9-390X or Radeon answer and bring us 6-8 or even more memory.
    I will prepare how much cost GTX980 and when I sell GTX780Ti I will exactly cover price of that premium card.
    We can't judge about GTX780Ti Classified vs GTX980 so simple. Many things are important there. GTX980 SC model is stronger, reference model is not stronger, benchmarks show that, in games I don't know but I doubt even if better optimization for newer games. Have on advantage because GTX980 is reference clock and with 100MHz only is faster than GTX780Ti Classified.
    But GTX980 is nice chance for people who didn't upgrade from GTX780 to GTX780Ti. For me would be early 3 models similar.
    GTX780 reference on GTX980 Classified will bring much easier and smoother gaming and highest settings. NVIDIA expect from us to look on GTX980 as GTX770 successor and they make incredible progress.
    Everybody forgot on that and compare 980 with Titan Black power and again is stronger. 
     

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/05 09:35:16 (permalink)
    Sajin
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    Thank you!
     
    Vlada011
    In USA conditions I would try every series, but I must limited self on little longer before upgrade.
    I must miss something first chip from architecture or second premium. Because I promise self I will always go on Classified cards and premium chip better if I miss GTX980 than something what will completely beat any R9-390X or Radeon answer and bring us 6-8 or even more memory.
    I will prepare how much cost GTX980 and when I sell GTX780Ti I will exactly cover price of that premium card.
    We can't judge about GTX780Ti Classified vs GTX980 so simple. Many things are important there. GTX980 SC model is stronger, reference model is not stronger, benchmarks show that, in games I don't know but I doubt even if better optimization for newer games. Have on advantage because GTX980 is reference clock and with 100MHz only is faster than GTX780Ti Classified.
    But GTX980 is nice chance for people who didn't upgrade from GTX780 to GTX780Ti. For me would be early 3 models similar.
    GTX780 reference on GTX980 Classified will bring much easier and smoother gaming and highest settings. NVIDIA expect from us to look on GTX980 as GTX770 successor and they make incredible progress.
    Everybody forgot on that and compare 980 with Titan Black power and again is stronger. 
     




    Thank you for your responses, i have come to a conclusion. I am keeping my 780 Ti. I think i got a good chip. I am sitting at 1241mhz boost and 3888mhz memory. STABLE. It would blow the 980 out of the water :P Now, all i need is to find a (excuse my rude language) ****en extra rare backplate. Anyone got any plugs?

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/06 10:28:03 (permalink)
    Shoot the way people are paying for these backplates, I am almost tempted to sell both of mine.  LOL

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/06 10:38:00 (permalink)
    We should make a petition and send it to EVGA. Asking them to make atleast 100-200 more Ti backplates. They will sell them like fresh bread.

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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/06 12:00:11 (permalink)
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    Should you jump? No.




    Thank you!
     
    Vlada011
    In USA conditions I would try every series, but I must limited self on little longer before upgrade.
    I must miss something first chip from architecture or second premium. Because I promise self I will always go on Classified cards and premium chip better if I miss GTX980 than something what will completely beat any R9-390X or Radeon answer and bring us 6-8 or even more memory.
    I will prepare how much cost GTX980 and when I sell GTX780Ti I will exactly cover price of that premium card.
    We can't judge about GTX780Ti Classified vs GTX980 so simple. Many things are important there. GTX980 SC model is stronger, reference model is not stronger, benchmarks show that, in games I don't know but I doubt even if better optimization for newer games. Have on advantage because GTX980 is reference clock and with 100MHz only is faster than GTX780Ti Classified.
    But GTX980 is nice chance for people who didn't upgrade from GTX780 to GTX780Ti. For me would be early 3 models similar.
    GTX780 reference on GTX980 Classified will bring much easier and smoother gaming and highest settings. NVIDIA expect from us to look on GTX980 as GTX770 successor and they make incredible progress.
    Everybody forgot on that and compare 980 with Titan Black power and again is stronger. 
     




    Thank you for your responses, i have come to a conclusion. I am keeping my 780 Ti. I think i got a good chip. I am sitting at 1241mhz boost and 3888mhz memory. STABLE. It would blow the 980 out of the water :P Now, all i need is to find a (excuse my rude language) ****en extra rare backplate. Anyone got any plugs?


     
    Try this.  It should fit the Ti even though it is for the Classified.
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    Re: Should i jump the gun and step up to a 980 from a 780 Ti? 2014/11/06 12:48:09 (permalink)
    What? That's for the Titan... Anyways i want a actual 780 Ti Classified backplate. :( Its like putting a V8 sticker on a V6 Engine car lol.

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