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2011/10/25 19:36:29 (permalink)
OK, so I am going to be building a new rig. BF3 is taxing my current laptop. So, I have a budget of 2k and this is what I came up with.. I am missing a monitor, KB, and cd-rom. Easy stuff I can get locally if needed.

Need advice on each of these, goods, bads, replacements? why?
I will be water cooling down the line. I have a Fesser 480 quad, MCP 350, and a few other odd and ends that will be used down the road.

Need advice on a monitor please.. 24" and above..
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146068Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130655GPU x2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139015PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231428Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188073MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115070CPU
 
Also cooling for the CPU temporary solution such as a H70? or something like that...

Thanks guys!

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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 19:48:37 (permalink)
If your planning on playing on a single 24" than I think a single 580 would be fine.
 
I don't like that case but I think cases are personal preference... Do you have hard drives, OS, etc.
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 19:49:16 (permalink)
system is nice... almost what mine was.. i had 560s tho. and a asus board.. but my monitor cost me 300$ lol what resolution do you want to play at?
 
 
 
 
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 19:49:47 (permalink)
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If your planning on playing on a single 24" than I think a single 580 would be fine.

I don't like that case but I think cases are personal preference...

Case will fit the 2 cards.. not bad on price.. I dont like it either tbh.. but the price is not bad at all.. what would you suggest for a replacement?
 
I plan on using 3 24" + sized monitors when all is said and done..
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 19:52:40 (permalink)
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If your planning on playing on a single 24" than I think a single 580 would be fine.

I don't like that case but I think cases are personal preference...

Case will fit the 2 cards.. not bad on price.. I dont like it either tbh.. but the price is not bad at all.. what would you suggest for a replacement?

 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112345
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 20:01:19 (permalink)
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If your planning on playing on a single 24" than I think a single 580 would be fine.

I don't like that case but I think cases are personal preference...

Case will fit the 2 cards.. not bad on price.. I dont like it either tbh.. but the price is not bad at all.. what would you suggest for a replacement?


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 20:14:54 (permalink)
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If your planning on playing on a single 24" than I think a single 580 would be fine.

I don't like that case but I think cases are personal preference...

Case will fit the 2 cards.. not bad on price.. I dont like it either tbh.. but the price is not bad at all.. what would you suggest for a replacement?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112345

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

I like that Lian Li.. its pretty nice

Yea it is I have one for my server in the garage... it's a great case.
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 20:31:17 (permalink)
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If your planning on playing on a single 24" than I think a single 580 would be fine.

I don't like that case but I think cases are personal preference...

Case will fit the 2 cards.. not bad on price.. I dont like it either tbh.. but the price is not bad at all.. what would you suggest for a replacement?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112345

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

I like that Lian Li.. its pretty nice

Yea it is I have one for my server in the garage... it's a great case.

How do you think it will hold up with those 2 cards I am wanting to get? heat wise in that case?


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 20:50:18 (permalink)
I hate to do this, but i'd actually recommend 2 HD6970's - It would save you nearly 500 dollars for a nice monitor.
 
GPU X2:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150517
 
Then this monitor for $740 (You have to check out to see it):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889187211

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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 20:58:45 (permalink)
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I hate to do this, but i'd actually recommend 2 HD6970's - It would save you nearly 500 dollars for a nice monitor.

GPU X2:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150517

Then this monitor for $740 (You have to check out to see it):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889187211

Is there any comparison charts with benchmarks or anything for me to see? Want to see how 2 of these stack up against 2 of the 580s..
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 21:23:15 (permalink)

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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 21:32:35 (permalink)
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Here is one:
http://h4.abload.de/img/battlefield-3-beta-gpu5p0n.png

and a full out review:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/28/msi_n580gtx_lightning_xe_3gb_sli_video_card_review/7

Well hell. from reading the full review... seems the ATI's fairs a little better overall then the 580's. save myself a little cash in the process.. just not a fan of the ATI drives.. hmmm


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 21:58:35 (permalink)
I would not bother investing in an LGA 1155 system right now.  The LGA 2011 platform is about to be released and the i7 3820 will have the same price as the 2600k, but with extra L3 cache and quad channel memory support on X79 motherboards.  In addition to this, X79 gives you 40 PCI-E lanes instead of a measly 16.  
 
On any P67/Z68 without an NF200 chip or something similar, your cards would be running at x8/x8 which will cause a slight performance decrease with 580s compared to x16/x16.


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 22:07:05 (permalink)
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I would not bother investing in an LGA 1155 system right now.  The LGA 2011 platform is about to be released and the i7 3820 will have the same price as the 2600k, but with extra L3 cache and quad channel memory support on X79 motherboards.  In addition to this, X79 gives you 40 PCI-E lanes instead of a measly 16.  

On any P67/Z68 without an NF200 chip or something similar, your cards would be running at x8/x8 which will cause a slight performance decrease with 580s compared to x16/x16.

 
Heard not till mid next year for the release? I can always upgrade and give this system to my growing son 11 going on 24 lol... he games just as much as dad...
 
Where I am stuck is the video card choice.. meh.. not sure what to do


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/25 22:54:34 (permalink)
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Here is one:
http://h4.abload.de/img/battlefield-3-beta-gpu5p0n.png

and a full out review:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/28/msi_n580gtx_lightning_xe_3gb_sli_video_card_review/7

Well hell. from reading the full review... seems the ATI's fairs a little better overall then the 580's. save myself a little cash in the process.. just not a fan of the ATI drives.. hmmm

 
The GTX 580's are still better. BUT the HD6970's are a hell of a deal for the price/performance ratio. In that review I posted, you have to pay attention to the settings, not each card was tested equally.
 
As for the motherboard your looking at, you should look into this one since it has the NF200:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188082
 
Also, if your not crazy about my monitor idea, you could always go the route of a HD6990 and a HD6970 for tri fire. It would be about the same cost as 2 GTX 580 3GB's and out perform them.

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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 07:41:25 (permalink)
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Here is one:
http://h4.abload.de/img/battlefield-3-beta-gpu5p0n.png

and a full out review:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/28/msi_n580gtx_lightning_xe_3gb_sli_video_card_review/7

Well hell. from reading the full review... seems the ATI's fairs a little better overall then the 580's. save myself a little cash in the process.. just not a fan of the ATI drives.. hmmm


The GTX 580's are still better. BUT the HD6970's are a hell of a deal for the price/performance ratio. In that review I posted, you have to pay attention to the settings, not each card was tested equally.

As for the motherboard your looking at, you should look into this one since it has the NF200:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188082

Also, if your not crazy about my monitor idea, you could always go the route of a HD6990 and a HD6970 for tri fire. It would be about the same cost as 2 GTX 580 3GB's and out perform them.

I See, from looking at that board it sure is nice.. I did in fact have a nf200 chipset on the x58 side. It was to my understanding that the PCI-E lanes were all x16? In the details on this board unless I am reading it wrong 3 x PCIe x16/x8, 2 x PCIe x8, 1 x PCIe x4.
Now does that mean 16x3? or 16/8/8? sorry little confused.. Tried looking at a few other boards but still unclear!
 
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 08:55:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Yes look at the stats the GTX 580 are still better, much less heat, they do cost more.  
P67 only have x16 total so nothing you can do to get more.  LGA2011 will have 2 x16 plus 1 x8 lanes.  SB-e will only be at PCI-e 2.0 clock rates.  Later Ivy Bridge should have Native PCI-e 3.0 which doubles the clock rates (bandwidth) available on the same number of lanes (great for add-on controllers)

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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 10:39:14 (permalink)
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I would not bother investing in an LGA 1155 system right now.  The LGA 2011 platform is about to be released and the i7 3820 will have the same price as the 2600k, but with extra L3 cache and quad channel memory support on X79 motherboards.  In addition to this, X79 gives you 40 PCI-E lanes instead of a measly 16.  

On any P67/Z68 without an NF200 chip or something similar, your cards would be running at x8/x8 which will cause a slight performance decrease with 580s compared to x16/x16.


Heard not till mid next year for the release? I can always upgrade and give this system to my growing son 11 going on 24 lol... he games just as much as dad...

Where I am stuck is the video card choice.. meh.. not sure what to do

 
No, the 22nm LGA 1155 chips will be out next year.  X79 comes out in early or mid November of this year.
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 11:13:57 (permalink)
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Yes look at the stats the GTX 580 are still better, much less heat, they do cost more.  
P67 only have x16 total so nothing you can do to get more.  LGA2011 will have 2 x16 plus 1 x8 lanes.  SB-e will only be at PCI-e 2.0 clock rates.  Later Ivy Bridge should have Native PCI-e 3.0 which doubles the clock rates (bandwidth) available on the same number of lanes (great for add-on controllers)

 
But NF200 adds more lanes. It's not the P67 with the PCI-E lanes, they are integrated into the CPU. The NF200 chip adds lanes to allow full 16x 16x.

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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 11:44:29 (permalink)
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I would not bother investing in an LGA 1155 system right now.  The LGA 2011 platform is about to be released and the i7 3820 will have the same price as the 2600k, but with extra L3 cache and quad channel memory support on X79 motherboards.  In addition to this, X79 gives you 40 PCI-E lanes instead of a measly 16.  

On any P67/Z68 without an NF200 chip or something similar, your cards would be running at x8/x8 which will cause a slight performance decrease with 580s compared to x16/x16.


Heard not till mid next year for the release? I can always upgrade and give this system to my growing son 11 going on 24 lol... he games just as much as dad...

Where I am stuck is the video card choice.. meh.. not sure what to do


No, the 22nm LGA 1155 chips will be out next year.  X79 comes out in early or mid November.

Ahh... I can wait till next year to upgrade again.. I believe a decent little system like this should do me fine with the games I have to run atm BF2,BF3, BC2, COD 4, WaW,MW2, Black ops, soon MW3. mirrors edge, Portal 1, 2, Arma 1 and 2 with add ons. many more lol
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 13:30:47 (permalink)
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Yes look at the stats the GTX 580 are still better, much less heat, they do cost more.  
P67 only have x16 total so nothing you can do to get more.  LGA2011 will have 2 x16 plus 1 x8 lanes.  SB-e will only be at PCI-e 2.0 clock rates.  Later Ivy Bridge should have Native PCI-e 3.0 which doubles the clock rates (bandwidth) available on the same number of lanes (great for add-on controllers)


But NF200 adds more lanes. It's not the P67 with the PCI-E lanes, they are integrated into the CPU. The NF200 chip adds lanes to allow full 16x 16x.

Ok so this mobo will be 16x2 if I get 2 cards?
 
http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16813188082


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 13:55:35 (permalink)

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I would not bother investing in an LGA 1155 system right now.  The LGA 2011 platform is about to be released and the i7 3820 will have the same price as the 2600k, but with extra L3 cache and quad channel memory support on X79 motherboards.  In addition to this, X79 gives you 40 PCI-E lanes instead of a measly 16.   

On any P67/Z68 without an NF200 chip or something similar, your cards would be running at x8/x8 which will cause a slight performance decrease with 580s compared to x16/x16. 
 

Heard not till mid next year for the release? I can always upgrade and give this system to my growing son 11 going on 24 lol... he games just as much as dad... 

Where I am stuck is the video card choice.. meh.. not sure what to do 
 

No, the 22nm LGA 1155 chips will be out next year.  X79 comes out in early or mid November. 
 
Ahh... I can wait till next year to upgrade again.. I believe a decent little system like this should do me fine with the games I have to run atm BF2,BF3, BC2, COD 4, WaW,MW2, Black ops, soon MW3. mirrors edge, Portal 1, 2, Arma 1 and 2 with add ons. many more lol 

 
To expand on what I said, I meant November of this year.  For the price of that P67 FTW, you'll be able to get an X79 that can run x16 with two cards without the added heat of an NF200 chip, plus more memory bandwidth and faster CPUs. 



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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 14:02:43 (permalink)
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I would not bother investing in an LGA 1155 system right now.  The LGA 2011 platform is about to be released and the i7 3820 will have the same price as the 2600k, but with extra L3 cache and quad channel memory support on X79 motherboards.  In addition to this, X79 gives you 40 PCI-E lanes instead of a measly 16.   

On any P67/Z68 without an NF200 chip or something similar, your cards would be running at x8/x8 which will cause a slight performance decrease with 580s compared to x16/x16. 
 

Heard not till mid next year for the release? I can always upgrade and give this system to my growing son 11 going on 24 lol... he games just as much as dad... 

Where I am stuck is the video card choice.. meh.. not sure what to do 
 

No, the 22nm LGA 1155 chips will be out next year.  X79 comes out in early or mid November. 
 
Ahh... I can wait till next year to upgrade again.. I believe a decent little system like this should do me fine with the games I have to run atm BF2,BF3, BC2, COD 4, WaW,MW2, Black ops, soon MW3. mirrors edge, Portal 1, 2, Arma 1 and 2 with add ons. many more lol 


To expand on what I said, I meant November of this year.  For the price of that P67 FTW, you'll be able to get an X79 that can run x16 with two cards without the added heat of an NF200 chip, plus more memory bandwidth and faster CPUs. 

 
I don't know enough about the x79 stuff tbh... Like I said I have been out of the game for a little bit...  Am I really going to see that big of a difference from  2x16 lanes compared to a 16/8 setup? with 2 580 3gbs in SLI? Just curious is all.. I am still trying to get this build complete... Having a tough time choosing mobo's and GPUs.. that is where I am stuck.. memory and chip are picked..


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 14:09:40 (permalink)
I used to run my GTX 480 (which has slightly less bandwidth than a GTX 580) at PCI-E 1.1 x 16, which is equivalent to 2.0 x 8.  Now I run it at 2.0 x 16.  My 3DMark Vantage score went up a few thousand points, and my Crysis benchmark on very high settings went up by 5 FPS.  Not much, but you wouldn't be paying more (except maybe for quad channel memory) and you'll have a faster CPU/memory as well.  
 
Plus EVGA's X79s have all POSCAPs so you might get a nicer overclock out of them, and if you're lucky, a better UEFI BIOS (if not, go with ASUS or Gigabyte).  There's a lot of info around on these motherboards.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_X79
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_2011
 
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1746/1/
 
http://www.techpowerup.com/154126/ASUS-Rampage-IV-Extreme-Cometh.html
 
http://www.gnd-tech.com/content/813-EVGA-X79-FTW-Sneak-Peek
 
http://www.gnd-tech.com/content/797-MSI-X79-and-Llano-Motherboard
 
http://www.gnd-tech.com/content/795-Gigabyte-X79-G1.Assassin-2-Sneak-Peek
 
My favorites thus far are the EVGA X79 Classified (I'm hopeful that their UEFI BIOS is improved) and Gigabyte G1.Assassin 2.


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 14:28:09 (permalink)
Considering the bells and whistles of the Giga, I think I might just wait for that one as well. I always put some money into a sound card for my surround sound but that one already has a decent one!
 
Off topic, what the hell is a x4 PCIe for...?
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 15:08:23 (permalink)
theycallmemini

Considering the bells and whistles of the Giga, I think I might just wait for that one as well. I always put some money into a sound card for my surround sound but that one already has a decent one!

Off topic, what the hell is a x4 PCIe for...?

 
I think a sound card correct? I know must run on a 1x ? I think lol


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 15:10:12 (permalink)
Really? I swear my Creative isnt on a x4, its on a x8.
 
EDIT: Ya i just checked haha
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 15:59:16 (permalink)
theycallmemini

Really? I swear my Creative isnt on a x4, its on a x8.

EDIT: Ya i just checked haha

 
Lol yea that's why I said I think :) wasn't sure myself as I have not been running a desktop in close to 8 months.. I still have my sound card from my previous build though... that is going in to my next build


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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 16:03:56 (permalink)
The HD6990 is the solution to limited PCI-E lanes.
 
BUT, with that said, I didn't really pay attention to your system specs. You should just get a new video card and wait for the X79.
 
About the PCI-E lanes being limited to 8x8x on PCI-E 2.0... You should really read into this:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/25/gtx_480_sli_pcie_bandwidth_perf_x16x16_vs_x4x4/
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Re:New build.. need advice please :) 2011/10/26 16:17:44 (permalink)
RainStryke
BUT, with that said, I didn't really pay attention to your system specs. You should just get a new video card and wait for the X79.

 
Jason I'm in the same boat as you are, except I'm waiting for my old rig to be sold to a friend (hopefully).  Gunner said about the same thing that Rain is saying. If you can wait til late November then just wait, I was confused because I thought the x79 was coming in November and the Intel E's were coming next year but that isn't the case. I just ordered a 580 Classy until the new sh!t comes out.
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