kdarkmoor

billygilley1
Hey What about the 760 GTX 4gb card owners?? its says i only have 3.7gb

That last .3 is likely being reserved by windows.

I was thinking he was looking at system memory instead of video memory.

Listening to all you guys complain over this matter is just flat out hilarious...........at the end of the day the 970GTX is still the 2nd fastest gpu on the planet atm......
 
Just in case you missed this- http://www.anandtech.com/show/8568/the-geforce-gtx-970-review-feat-evga/4
The 970 GTX FTW is right on par with the 980GTX on every single game......
 
 

Rigbuilder12
Listening to all you guys complain over this matter is just flat out hilarious...........at the end of the day the 970GTX is still the 2nd fastest gpu on the planet atm......
 
Just in case you missed this- http://www.anandtech.com/show/8568/the-geforce-gtx-970-review-feat-evga/4
The 970 GTX FTW is right on par with the 980GTX on every single game......
 

 
The thing is most benchmark shows FPS....Those of us having problem with the 970 have stuttering issues which relies on frametimes. Stutterring appears when the card needs to access the 0.5GB part of the vram.
Those issues will not be visible on any FPS benchmark.

schmak01

BF3PRO

schmak01

BF3PRO
The piazza analogy doesn't really work.... You should inspect the pizza fully before you accept it while the pizza shop will most likely replace it they shouldn't as you clearly weren't smart enough to look at it first.. I want the company to win... But I'm just a true capitalist and understand most people signing the petition are one of three things:
Haters of success
Didn't care or notice until the word lawsuit came up
Don't even own a 970

Works perfectly fine.  Who is examining video cards before buying from an online retailer? Who goes to a pizza shop? You get delivery just like you do with video cards.

So before you pay at the door you can't open the box and inspect it? Many people go to pizza shops and many people go to best buy, tiger direct, micro center, and mom and pop shops... Newegg will usually allow you to return the item if you aren't happy... My here are many options you just have to choose to exercise them...

Do you open the pizza box before you hand the guy your money? I never have, and yes have been burned a few times with getting the wrong pizza.  Calling and asking the company for a refund/new pizza was never a problem.  When you bought your card from an online retailer, did you try and push all the memory usage? I bet not.  If you didn't try or did not see this issue before your free return period was out, you were left holding the cost of the manufacturer's mistake.  That's not on you as the consumer.  Just because you might never use the full 4 GB or eat that last slice of pizza does not mean you did not pay for the right to use it based on the specifications outlined at the time of purchase.
 
Really no point in arguing as nVidia has already admitted it was a mistake and the wrong documentation was released. Its just now onto how they will correct the problem.  EVGA is offering an extended trade up period, I am not sure what Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and others are offering. Depending on now nVidia's up coming driver 'fix' will reduce the impact of the issue will determine how the law suit ends.  Considering this is a designed hardware configuration, I doubt software will do anything to correct it, but at least they are trying to correct the issue for their customers. 

I agree a mistake was made and guess what? I believe they didn't lie it was most likely miscommunication... You think people would risk their jobs for this? Also, yes I open and inspect the pizza before I pay its your choice not to...

BF3PRO

schmak01

BF3PRO

schmak01

BF3PRO
The piazza analogy doesn't really work.... You should inspect the pizza fully before you accept it while the pizza shop will most likely replace it they shouldn't as you clearly weren't smart enough to look at it first.. I want the company to win... But I'm just a true capitalist and understand most people signing the petition are one of three things:
Haters of success
Didn't care or notice until the word lawsuit came up
Don't even own a 970

Works perfectly fine.  Who is examining video cards before buying from an online retailer? Who goes to a pizza shop? You get delivery just like you do with video cards.

So before you pay at the door you can't open the box and inspect it? Many people go to pizza shops and many people go to best buy, tiger direct, micro center, and mom and pop shops... Newegg will usually allow you to return the item if you aren't happy... My here are many options you just have to choose to exercise them...

Do you open the pizza box before you hand the guy your money? I never have, and yes have been burned a few times with getting the wrong pizza.  Calling and asking the company for a refund/new pizza was never a problem.  When you bought your card from an online retailer, did you try and push all the memory usage? I bet not.  If you didn't try or did not see this issue before your free return period was out, you were left holding the cost of the manufacturer's mistake.  That's not on you as the consumer.  Just because you might never use the full 4 GB or eat that last slice of pizza does not mean you did not pay for the right to use it based on the specifications outlined at the time of purchase.
 
Really no point in arguing as nVidia has already admitted it was a mistake and the wrong documentation was released. Its just now onto how they will correct the problem.  EVGA is offering an extended trade up period, I am not sure what Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and others are offering. Depending on now nVidia's up coming driver 'fix' will reduce the impact of the issue will determine how the law suit ends.  Considering this is a designed hardware configuration, I doubt software will do anything to correct it, but at least they are trying to correct the issue for their customers. 

I agree a mistake was made and guess what? I believe they didn't lie it was most likely miscommunication... You think people would risk their jobs for this? Also, yes I open and inspect the pizza before I pay its your choice not to...

the answer is yes.
 
Ironically I reading up on plane crashes last night, and one of the manufacturers found the fault that caused a horrific crash before the planes got brought into service but the company didnt do any fix as they said it would have delayed sales, also when they were regulated to do fixes after the first crash, they shipped some planes out with paperwork signed saying the changes were made but they wasnt.  So yes in the corporate world profits are king.

schmak01
Really no point in arguing as nVidia has already admitted it was a mistake and the wrong documentation was released. Its just now onto how they will correct the problem.  EVGA is offering an extended trade up period, I am not sure what Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and others are offering. Depending on now nVidia's up coming driver 'fix' will reduce the impact of the issue will determine how the law suit ends.  Considering this is a designed hardware configuration, I doubt software will do anything to correct it, but at least they are trying to correct the issue for their customers. 

Can't find anything about this evga extended trade up period, have a link? Bought my 970 to upgrade to 4k and it's looking pretty useless atm.

MrImSoGood

chrcoluk

BF3PRO

schmak01

BF3PRO

schmak01

BF3PRO
The piazza analogy doesn't really work.... You should inspect the pizza fully before you accept it while the pizza shop will most likely replace it they shouldn't as you clearly weren't smart enough to look at it first.. I want the company to win... But I'm just a true capitalist and understand most people signing the petition are one of three things:
Haters of success
Didn't care or notice until the word lawsuit came up
Don't even own a 970

Works perfectly fine.  Who is examining video cards before buying from an online retailer? Who goes to a pizza shop? You get delivery just like you do with video cards.

So before you pay at the door you can't open the box and inspect it? Many people go to pizza shops and many people go to best buy, tiger direct, micro center, and mom and pop shops... Newegg will usually allow you to return the item if you aren't happy... My here are many options you just have to choose to exercise them...

Do you open the pizza box before you hand the guy your money? I never have, and yes have been burned a few times with getting the wrong pizza.  Calling and asking the company for a refund/new pizza was never a problem.  When you bought your card from an online retailer, did you try and push all the memory usage? I bet not.  If you didn't try or did not see this issue before your free return period was out, you were left holding the cost of the manufacturer's mistake.  That's not on you as the consumer.  Just because you might never use the full 4 GB or eat that last slice of pizza does not mean you did not pay for the right to use it based on the specifications outlined at the time of purchase.

Really no point in arguing as nVidia has already admitted it was a mistake and the wrong documentation was released. Its just now onto how they will correct the problem.  EVGA is offering an extended trade up period, I am not sure what Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and others are offering. Depending on now nVidia's up coming driver 'fix' will reduce the impact of the issue will determine how the law suit ends.  Considering this is a designed hardware configuration, I doubt software will do anything to correct it, but at least they are trying to correct the issue for their customers. 

I agree a mistake was made and guess what? I believe they didn't lie it was most likely miscommunication... You think people would risk their jobs for this? Also, yes I open and inspect the pizza before I pay its your choice not to...

the answer is yes.
 
Ironically I reading up on plane crashes last night, and one of the manufacturers found the fault that caused a horrific crash before the planes got brought into service but the company didnt do any fix as they said it would have delayed sales, also when they were regulated to do fixes after the first crash, they shipped some planes out with paperwork signed saying the changes were made but they wasnt.  So yes in the corporate world profits are king.

That's capitalism for you

Thats Crapitalism or Cronyism if people actually knew real capitalism they would praise it...

Edit- transdog beat me to it...

The funny thing is because of regulation smaller airlines and craft manufacturers find it hard to innovate becausebof cronyism... If there were less regs it would be in their best interests to make a safe craft because someone would find out and their sales would stop.... Think about that...

chosin
most us are not complaining just because of specs (even though it was false). We are complaining cause the fans sound like electronic duster, and it also stutters. It could have 1 meg or 20 gigs of gddr in it. I would been perfectly happy it was 3.5 as long as it handles the graphics at 1080 or even 4k. I bought the new technology because DSR and to have good performance at 1080 according to benches. No site discloses that it was a stutter fest. Then when they were challenged they announced it.

 
That's funny - I get none of what you describe  :)   But then I don'y have SLI - not needed for 1080P monitors  :)

puhfifer

schmak01
Really no point in arguing as nVidia has already admitted it was a mistake and the wrong documentation was released. Its just now onto how they will correct the problem.  EVGA is offering an extended trade up period, I am not sure what Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and others are offering. Depending on now nVidia's up coming driver 'fix' will reduce the impact of the issue will determine how the law suit ends.  Considering this is a designed hardware configuration, I doubt software will do anything to correct it, but at least they are trying to correct the issue for their customers. 

Can't find anything about this evga extended trade up period, have a link? Bought my 970 to upgrade to 4k and it's looking pretty useless atm.

Call EVGA. Problem solved. They don't do exchanges via the forum. ;)

Its amazing watching this unfold; I'm on the I don't understand all the hoopla side of the fence.

chrisdglong

malick
Its amazing watching this unfold; I'm on the I don't understand all the hoopla side of the fence.

Do you have a 970?

I do X2 ...........I don't understand it either.

Woah, haven't thought that this would escalate this quickly, only if nvidia shipped it with 3.5 Gb VRAM it would be much better than the scenario unfolding now.....

Stay Puft

Rigbuilder12
Listening to all you guys complain over this matter is just flat out hilarious...........at the end of the day the 970GTX is still the 2nd fastest gpu on the planet atm......
 
Just in case you missed this- http://www.anandtech.com/show/8568/the-geforce-gtx-970-review-feat-evga/4
The 970 GTX FTW is right on par with the 980GTX on every single game......
 
 

Agreed. All the whiners need to sell their cards and go AMD then see how horrible the drivers are. 

Love the fact that you call people who are upset about being lied to "whiners".  I guess the question I'll ask you is,...where do you draw the line between whining and legitimate complaints?  You could say everyone that complains about something is whining, but to me, this is a legitimate complaint on a spec discrepancy. 

People are taking this class action lawsuit way out of context and are starting to apply very sad justifications to the way Nvidia has handled this situation.
 
The original post has a link to a class action lawsuit that effects everyone that can not return their product or upgrade through their OEM. This isn't just EVGA, it's for every OEM that makes the GTX 970. The 7K+ people that signed the petition are not able to get a refund or upgrade and are not happy with what they have because they are stuck with it unless they take a large loss selling a used video card to move over to something else.
 
I saw Nvidia had released a driver a week after I returned my SLI GTX 970's. From what I can speculate is, no one can really break the 3.5GB barrier anymore and it seems to have alleviated the issues. Many of the more recent reviewers have the conception that you can't break 3.5GB of VRAM usage because the games just don't demand it... I saw 4GB of usage when I owned them, I also saw major performance issues... I gave them the benefit of the doubt at the time because the issue was not wide spread yet... So I ended up switching out all of my hardware and did a full PC upgrade thinking it was something else.
 
I've been following this situation ever since Nai's benchmark that ended up prompting Nvidia to respond:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Responds-GTX-970-35GB-Memory-Issue
 
Then a Nvidia rep on Guru3D responded that they would help with returns:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Plans-Driver-Update-GTX-970-Memory-Issue-Help-Returns
 
Shortly after, Nvidia has that rep change his response to say the GTX 970 is exactly as it was intended to be, you can see in the updates on that last link I posted. They recognized the cards faults, then took it away to avoid having to respond it by saying the card is exactly as intended to avoid a PR nightmare. This has been handled very poorly by Nvidia. Instead of fixing the problem, they are saving a lot more money by getting the top review sites to lessen the blow but not sound entirely bias. In a few more months, this will be entirely forgotten. I've all ready seen quite a few forums kill off threads like this and the next one to replace it becomes less effective at getting the word out with more and more people just telling others to shut up about it.

the_real_maverick

Stay Puft

Rigbuilder12
Listening to all you guys complain over this matter is just flat out hilarious...........at the end of the day the 970GTX is still the 2nd fastest gpu on the planet atm......
 
Just in case you missed this- http://www.anandtech.com/show/8568/the-geforce-gtx-970-review-feat-evga/4
The 970 GTX FTW is right on par with the 980GTX on every single game......
 
 

Agreed. All the whiners need to sell their cards and go AMD then see how horrible the drivers are. 

Love the fact that you call people who are upset about being lied to "whiners".  I guess the question I'll ask you is,...where do you draw the line between whining and legitimate complaints?  You could say everyone that complains about something is whining, but to me, this is a legitimate complaint on a spec discrepancy. 

I ran TRI 970's before upgrading to TRI 980's and they performed at 4K just fine. Its a 300 dollar video card. It really doesnt bother me. If i had some issues i would have just turned down the settings