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gamester5
This would be a waste of time. It is like "I am going to bring a lawsuit against Seagate because my 1TB drive only gives me 975GB, not 1TB"

It's not a waste of time if we are talking about half a gig.

The half a gig is there on the card, the only thing at this point is the info on the box and what was given out was untrue. To say the card isn't a 4gb card is silly.

update: PETITION reached 7000 subscription!!

 

gamester5
This would be a waste of time. It is like "I am going to bring a lawsuit against Seagate because my 1TB drive only gives me 975GB, not 1TB"

the memory of a HDD and the VRam can not be taken as a comparison even remotely... 
 
When you buy an external hard drive, on the package the size of the disk reported by producers is understood as GB, or as multiple gigabytes of bytes in a decimal system (1 GB = 10 ^ 9 B, ie 1,000,000,000 B). So you would expect that Windows on the disk just as big as the one declared. Instead Windows counts GiB, ie gibibyte multiple of bytes in a binary system (1 GB = 2 ^ 30 B, ie 1,073,741,824 B), then the space that Windows reads exactly is 7.4% less than that declared by the manufacturer disc. 1 GB "decimal" in fact corresponds to approximately 92.6% of a GiB (GB "computer"). Obviously, a producer should indicate a space of 500 GB instead of 465 GiB.
 
blue ribbon for this XDXDXDXDXD
 

Thankfully Amazon let me return my 970's, was a nice setup but really I couldn't take that they weren't what we were told they were.  Picked up a 980 FTW and that is where I will stay until we get 20 or 16nm.  Hated to buy another Nvidia card right now but what other option is there really.  
 
I really hope Nvidia does get sued. Its not the half gig, its the fact that they misrepresented, covered it up and then full on lied about it until their hand was forced.  Sure sign of a company that has lost focus on the hand that feeds them, nice lawsuit and some form of forced compensation will go a long way to keeping them honest down the road.  
 
Tough times for team green.

I understand one thing, NVIDIA earn much less on GTX970 than they planed.
They could earn much more, this with memory happen exactly in time when most customers prepare money to buy new cards.
I don't understand, so many replacements because coil whine, driver problem, etc...
How they don't understand once and for all they will earn more if their products are better.
Probably need to happen something like this where they will lose numbers X.000.000 to launch better quality.
Why is hard to NVIDIA produce same quality as GTX580 and cards before. Much less RMA was before 3-4 years than now with GTX970. 
AMD will put pressure on NVIDIA but for some short time and Radeon is not same as GeForce, they need to launch at least 20% faster card than any NVIDIA option for at least 100-200$ less. Only than some bigger percent of customers could think on AMD.
They will launch 15-20% stronger card than GTX980 and NVIDIA will again to win for 2 months with big Maxwell and we are on same again for long time in future.

The piazza analogy doesn't really work.... You should inspect the pizza fully before you accept it while the pizza shop will most likely replace it they shouldn't as you clearly weren't smart enough to look at it first.. I want the company to win... But I'm just a true capitalist and understand most people signing the petition are one of three things:
Haters of success
Didn't care or notice until the word lawsuit came up
Don't even own a 970

zeroseoul
TL:DR the entire thread, but how many consumers looked at the bandwidth specs and that became a deciding factor in purchasing the card?

Probably not many, but how many consumers looked at benchmarks, tests, reviews, etc as a deciding factor? I'd guess a lot. The ROPs and the L2 Cache don't matter. The memory architecture does. If Nvidia had disclosed the design to the testers would they have explored it's limitations? Would we have known that in situations that cause the card to dip into the secondary .5gb memory pool that we would experience stutter? That's all speculation but that design choice has proven to be a factor in how the card performs and it's one I would have liked to have known about before making my decision.

OP, your original link is broken. You need to add a 0 at the end of the link.

schmak01

BF3PRO
The piazza analogy doesn't really work.... You should inspect the pizza fully before you accept it while the pizza shop will most likely replace it they shouldn't as you clearly weren't smart enough to look at it first.. I want the company to win... But I'm just a true capitalist and understand most people signing the petition are one of three things:
Haters of success
Didn't care or notice until the word lawsuit came up
Don't even own a 970

Works perfectly fine.  Who is examining video cards before buying from an online retailer? Who goes to a pizza shop? You get delivery just like you do with video cards.

So before you pay at the door you can't open the box and inspect it? Many people go to pizza shops and many people go to best buy, tiger direct, micro center, and mom and pop shops... Newegg will usually allow you to return the item if you aren't happy... My here are many options you just have to choose to exercise them...

"Class action lawsuits" or "How to get rich quick - a guide for sleazy lawyers".
 
Hmmm… no thanks.

the 970 remains a good card, but nvidia were wrong to mislead.
 
They sold it as a 4gig card with a 256 bit bus, my view is that is technically incorrect.
 
3.5gig is at 7/8 256 bit speed, 0.5gig is at 1/8 256 bit speed and thats when it works.  Various tests have been done including by that jayz guy showing some games will max out at 3.5 gig, and the games that go over 3.5 gig can stutter pretty badly.
 
To those who say its all overreacting you have to wonder how did people notice in the first place if the performance was normal?

chrcoluk
the 970 remains a good card, but nvidia were wrong to mislead.
 
They sold it as a 4gig card with a 256 bit bus, my view is that is technically incorrect.
 
3.5gig is at 7/8 256 bit speed, 0.5gig is at 1/8 256 bit speed and thats when it works.  Various tests have been done including by that jayz guy showing some games will max out at 3.5 gig, and the games that go over 3.5 gig can stutter pretty badly.
 
To those who say its all overreacting you have to wonder how did people notice in the first place if the performance was normal?

Well honestly people did notice. There were reports as early as October on the Nvidia forums and I think November here on the EVGA forums. I have 2 970s in SLI and I've tried to reliably duplicate the issue at 1080 and 1440 and it's been unsuccessful. I have managed to do it at 1440 but it's not always guaranteed and it's no where near as bad as you would think it by reading all the complaints. So that puts us into the 2160p area, which is where the problem rears it's ugly head. In truth it's a very small % of 970 owners that are going to encounter the problem. Keep in mind the problem only shows up in the games that love to eat up VRAM. How many times in the past has a new card or a new game needed a few months to get optimal drivers? Quite often. So naturally people just assumed that it was a driver issue or game issue. That brings us to anandtech admitting they noticed a problem with the card in their testing. They said they noticed something changed in the memory but due to their own incompatibility issues, nvidia releasing new drivers during testing and some of the testing tools not being programmed to the Maxwell architecture, anandtech didn't explore it.
 
I buy the fact that there was a miscommunication between the PR team and the tech team, things like that happen often in all fields of business. What I don't buy is Nvidia didn't notice those false reports for 4 months and only after the benchmark came out that exposed the 970s memory problem did they admit the numbers were incorrect. It's my opinion that Nvidia noticed the stuttering reports early on and knew the memory was cause. At that point they couldn't call up anandtech and say there's a problem with your ROP and L2 Cache numbers. If they had, lightbulbs would have gone off, there would have been retesting of the 970s that would have uncovered the memory architecture difference between the 980 and 970(remember, everyone assumed those parts of the cards were identical). They would have put the 970 to the test to determine what it's limits were which is that it's pretty crippled in VRAM intensive games. Nvidia couldn't afford for that to happen that early in the cards life. Again that's just my opinion to be taken lightly. 
 
In the event that the retesting did happen, not much really would have changed. The 970 is still the best performance for the money. Just don't expect to SLI them and have reliable 4k performance.

chosin

Scarlet-Tech
I have installed GeForce experience, just for shadow play, and had games start acting up or crashing. Most notably, Arma 3 and CSGO would just close when I had never had an issue without it installed, and have had none since removing it.

I do not currently have a link, but I definitely won't install it again. I don't like having essentially bloat were on my computer.

Optimizing the settings of your card should be a task you take on since it takes a matter of seconds. Software can't get the setting correct when every single card can and usually will act different.

 
my system pass the specs so does yours. But i get crashes with Samsung magician software running. i use shadow play sometimes. Ive yet to find somewhere that says don't use it. Tech support at nvidia also claim that experience panel is based on my rig standards. That was my point, It says DSR 4k. Not everyone has time to go into game to look at every graphic setting and make a new profile under the control panel. And most dont have the knowledge to change it. Lot of people on here and other places are commenting on our 970 issues. We didn't get the performance that we paid for that's the bottom-line. Period end of story.

GeForce experience says my 760s are far more capable than they really are. Just because garbage software says you can go to the moon doesn't mean it will work.

Turn DSR down to 1440 and you won't see issues.. Or buy a 1440 screen. DSR seems like a joke.. You can push 4k to a 1080p monitor, but just because you want garbage frame rates over fake beauty (that is dsr) doesn't hang your 1080p screen to something magical, it is still only 1080p. Pushing 4k through 1080p is still 1080p.

Also, it's one setting in nvidia control panel when you set global setting, so your argument of going into every game is incorrect unfortunately.

*I will add this. This conversation/thread had gone completely off course in every known way. I won't be responding any more and hopefully the lawyers get a lot of money like they plan to. Sad that none of the end users will see anything from this other than a free game.

billygilley1
Hey What about the 760 GTX 4gb card owners?? its says i only have 3.7gb

That last .3 is likely being reserved by windows.

Scarlet-Tech

chosin

Scarlet-Tech
I have installed GeForce experience, just for shadow play, and had games start acting up or crashing. Most notably, Arma 3 and CSGO would just close when I had never had an issue without it installed, and have had none since removing it.

I do not currently have a link, but I definitely won't install it again. I don't like having essentially bloat were on my computer.

Optimizing the settings of your card should be a task you take on since it takes a matter of seconds. Software can't get the setting correct when every single card can and usually will act different.

 
my system pass the specs so does yours. But i get crashes with Samsung magician software running. i use shadow play sometimes. Ive yet to find somewhere that says don't use it. Tech support at nvidia also claim that experience panel is based on my rig standards. That was my point, It says DSR 4k. Not everyone has time to go into game to look at every graphic setting and make a new profile under the control panel. And most dont have the knowledge to change it. Lot of people on here and other places are commenting on our 970 issues. We didn't get the performance that we paid for that's the bottom-line. Period end of story.

GeForce experience says my 760s are far more capable than they really are. Just because garbage software says you can go to the moon doesn't mean it will work.

Turn DSR down to 1440 and you won't see issues.. Or buy a 1440 screen. DSR seems like a joke.. You can push 4k to a 1080p monitor, but just because you want garbage frame rates over fake beauty (that is dsr) doesn't hang your 1080p screen to something magical, it is still only 1080p. Pushing 4k through 1080p is still 1080p.

Also, it's one setting in nvidia control panel when you set global setting, so your argument of going into every game is incorrect unfortunately.

*I will add this. This conversation/thread had gone completely off course in every known way. I won't be responding any more and hopefully the lawyers get a lot of money like they plan to. Sad that none of the end users will see anything from this other than a free game.

 you dont even have a 970. It performs almost the exact same in & on 4k as it does at 1080. Im sorry ive got to argue about the global settings if there magic one button change, they wouldn't made 16+ lines of features to change. DSR its a feature, like cruise control in a car. I turn it on at 70 mph i expect to stay at 70. OR ATTEMPT to stay. Not drop to 55 because of a incline. Not sure whats your complaint is. You should be proud that users that feel they have been deceived in there price range are complaining. Im not asking for handout. Im asking oem's and after market, to care about their customers as much as they do their profits. To clear thing up im sure 50% of the complaints would not exist if they 1. made it 3.5 gb 2. kept the cache all enabled 3. made the statement before they were caught. I for one bought a extra card ( sli ). Thinking that it would fix things. I am currently in the stepup process 970 FTW+. If i known that beforehand most likely wouldnt done it, being that it is 70+$ per card for shipping and handling just to have the stepup that is more than likely going to produce the same results. Ive not own a nvidia product since 8800. I thought new x99 (last intel was conroe) build hey im going to try nvidia because the specs price and ratings were in my budget.