EDIT: Sorry, new user, can't post URL's, <code> was the first workaround that worked.
 

TChittenden II
*eyeroll* I don't get what they are suing over, I guess it's because I don't have my law degree from the University of Keyboard Warriors. The card has 4GB of memory, as advertised, 500MB of that 4GB is used to cache less frequently accessed items so that the lower bandwidth doesn't become an issue. Who cares?

 
Well, nobody is actually suing yet. It's far more likely to be dealt with by consumer protection laws. You live in Europe (or Australia like me) then things are heavily in your favour. In fact, retailers have already started refunding.
 
My impression is that in the USA things are not so fine and dandy.
 
Thing is, the actual misrepresentation lies here:
 
ROPs (original) – 64
ROPs (actual) – 56
 
L2 cache (original) – 2MB
L2 cache (actual) – 1.75MB
 
Memory Bandwidth (original) – 224 GB/s for 4GB VRAM
Memory Bandwidth (actual) – 196 GB/s for 7 memory chips totalling 3.5 GB, and 28 GB/s for the remaining 512 MB 8th memory chip.
 

seta8967
Can you show me an official advertisment stating 2MB L2?

 
Maybe, if I was bothered to look hard enough, then again, maybe not. However:
 

Endorsed/approved by Nvidia: 

 http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/reviews

 
From a legal standpoint, that's good enough. You can't endorse what you know to be false and then claim innocent.
 

Stephenk291
I love how NOBODY complained about the cards performance (save coil whine) until they saw the issue with the specification mix up then instantly jumped on the bandwagon.

 
You mean like this?
 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gtx+970+vram+allocation+bug

http://www.overclock.net/t/1535502/gtx-970s-can-only-use-3-5gb-of-4gb-vram-issue

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=396064

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/2s333r/gtx_970_vram_allocation_bug_xpost_rpcgaming/

http://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/2s2968/gtx970_memoryvram_allocation_bug/

http://wccftech.com/users-reporting-memory-allocation-issues-4-gb-gtx-970-graphics-cards-games-utilizing-full-vram/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/289221-psa-gtx-970-vram-allocation-problem/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/289417-gtx-970-memory-bugonly-35-gb-of-4gb/

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvidia-gtx-970-owners-report-unusual-vram-behavior-unable-to-efficiently-allocate-more-than-3-5gb/

http://www.ggmania.com/?smsid=gtx-970-vram-allocation-bug-38813

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/803518/gtx-970-3-5gb-vram-issue/

 
 

gamester5
This would be a waste of time. It is like "I am going to bring a lawsuit against Seagate because my 1TB drive only gives me 975GB, not 1TB"

Sort of like this?
 

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=hdd%20size%20lawsuit

 
Sure, for most users, at this current point in time, the vram issue is a non-event.
 
Still, companies shouldn't get to make up specifications and sell products based on that (mis)information.

petition updates... https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-refund-for-gtx-970
 
 
omg the gazelle is hypnotic!!!!

Totally absurd. The card functions just as well as it did on launch day, and the 500MB acts like a lower tier cache. Any game settings that need that 500MB end up being bottlenecked by the GPU anyway, so claiming otherwise is pointless. 
 

M5ilencer
It appears that there is only 3.5gb of effective vram which means its a hardware limitation and that last 512mb is bridged into the neighboring 512mb memory channel so its a instant bottleneck when more than 3.5gb's is needed. Nvidia has no reason to do this and its a very rare thing, it was done intentionally. I have unlocked vram on older gpus and they had no issues like this. I see it as a way for SLI 970's to lose significantly vs the 980 SLI at 4k resolutions. A R9 290x would probably score more fps at 4k when over 3.5gb is needed vs a 970. Also its like they want you to look at the reviews and buy a 980 just because of this and then another.

Uh, no. Read Anandtech or Tech Report's analysis. The 500MB acts likes an additional cache layer and offers much better performance than having to access system RAM. That is another way of saying if the 970 was sold with 3GB or 3.5GB of RAM it would only offer worse performance. NVIDIA made the best choice for the most performance and it was a better alternative than simply selling cards with 500MB disabled from use.

donta1979
It amazes me people are complaining. Shady move yes... But buying a cheaper card/cards for 4k gaming people really... First everything was fine for all of you you could not be happier with your purchases. Then the dirty launders comes out you cannot use all 4gb on your CHEAPER cards where 500mb is allocated for other gpu task. All of a sudden your all demanding 100-200 dollar refunds free stepups to a 980 something you obviously didn't pay for. You want a gpu to do big boy things, play at 4k guess what be a big boy go out and buy a GTX 980 or even a Titan/Titan Black... Stop being a child expecting a 320-355 dollar gpu to give you the same performance to do the work of a 500-1000 dollar card. Really people..

The point is: card was sold as it is. If you go trough all the internet there must be some problems referring to the memory problem eventho people didn't realize it was about the memory. The fault has been there all time and it was sold and marketed without it. Only winner here is nvidia if people are willing to pay 200+ to get 980.. I wish the AMD gpu:s already came to market...
 
How do evga eu shop react to these cards?

http://bursor.com/investigations/nvidia/

-ZS-Carpenter

donta1979
It amazes me people are complaining. Shady move yes... But buying a cheaper card/cards for 4k gaming people really... First everything was fine for all of you you could not be happier with your purchases. Then the dirty launders comes out you cannot use all 4gb on your CHEAPER cards where 500mb is allocated for other gpu task. All of a sudden your all demanding 100-200 dollar refunds free stepups to a 980 something you obviously didn't pay for. You want a gpu to do big boy things, play at 4k guess what be a big boy go out and buy a GTX 980 or even a Titan/Titan Black... Stop being a child expecting a 320-355 dollar gpu to give you the same performance to do the work of a 500-1000 dollar card. Really people..

+1
 
It will be a while before you can really game at 4k. The hardware is just not there yet. It is getting close but what is available now is just not quite enough. It can be done but you have to make some sacrifices to keep smooth game play. Even without knowing about the misinterpretation of the 970s when i bought mine I knew that they would not run high res at full ultra settings. Anyone that did had not done their homework and are throwing a huge fit over a non-issue. My cards perform just as well today as they did the day I opened the box. The 970 is still one of the best cards you can get for the money, none of that has changed.  

So if you went out and bought a car that was advertised as having working A/C, but above 95F it would crap out and not as well, you would be ok with that? I mean, they advertised it has working A/C, and it does, to a certain point. You people have some of the most bias, fanboy opinions sometimes it's enraging. The point isn't that you can't utilize that much GPU power, it's the fact they blatantly lied. If they had came out and said "Hey, it has 4GB ram but 500mb acts like a fast cache so it's not really usable as GPU RAM" NOBODY would be complaining. It's just hard for me to wrap around that you guys are perfectly ok with being lied to. If the community was like "Ok bro, we are cool still don't worry about it" where does it end? If people don't sticker them for the little things like this, when will they stop lying? How far will they push it? Someone brought up the hard drives not having their advertised capacity, and it's an extremely good argument. They are blatantly lying, but because nobody harped on them for it, they never fixed the problem. If NVIDIA wanted to use 500mb for whatever, they should have put 4.5GB on the card and advertised it as 4GB. Just like IMO HDD manufacturers should put 554GB on a HDD instead of just 500 so I can have my full 500GB that I paid for instead of 446GB (using my laptops HDD as an example).
 
Also, I'm a 290x owner not an NVIDIA owner, and this still enrages me.
 
/Endrant

Vlada011
R9-290X is not at all card SO perfect for 4K.
4GB is not to much over GTX970 and NVIDIA have better options for someone who can pay smooth performance for 4K long time ago.
AMD behave as they only have card with 4GB and only their card could offer nice performance on high resolution.
NVIDIA had before 2 years smoother performance on 4K and more video memory.
Only in that time 11.000 score in Firestrike with single card cost 1000$ and now is cheaper.
Eeeee AMD... You are far from 4K because GPU performance. 
Someone who think on real smooth 4K gaming I doubt he will choose AMD.
 
 

1. Go back to school please, your English is more broken then a foreign exchange student.
2. I wasn't saying that AMD is better, how the hell did you get that from my post? Lol. I was saying that I'm pissed off about it and I don't even have an NVIDIA card. Wow.

I absolutely must... 
 

 
Sometimes, people that don't natively speak English pop in and post :-P
 
Sorry.. back on topic like Nordic requested.
 
 

Baltothewolf

-ZS-Carpenter

donta1979
It amazes me people are complaining. Shady move yes... But buying a cheaper card/cards for 4k gaming people really... First everything was fine for all of you you could not be happier with your purchases. Then the dirty launders comes out you cannot use all 4gb on your CHEAPER cards where 500mb is allocated for other gpu task. All of a sudden your all demanding 100-200 dollar refunds free stepups to a 980 something you obviously didn't pay for. You want a gpu to do big boy things, play at 4k guess what be a big boy go out and buy a GTX 980 or even a Titan/Titan Black... Stop being a child expecting a 320-355 dollar gpu to give you the same performance to do the work of a 500-1000 dollar card. Really people..

+1
 
It will be a while before you can really game at 4k. The hardware is just not there yet. It is getting close but what is available now is just not quite enough. It can be done but you have to make some sacrifices to keep smooth game play. Even without knowing about the misinterpretation of the 970s when i bought mine I knew that they would not run high res at full ultra settings. Anyone that did had not done their homework and are throwing a huge fit over a non-issue. My cards perform just as well today as they did the day I opened the box. The 970 is still one of the best cards you can get for the money, none of that has changed.  

So if you went out and bought a car that was advertised as having working A/C, but above 95F it would crap out and not as well, you would be ok with that? I mean, they advertised it has working A/C, and it does, to a certain point. You people have some of the most bias, fanboy opinions sometimes it's enraging. The point isn't that you can't utilize that much GPU power, it's the fact they blatantly lied. If they had came out and said "Hey, it has 4GB ram but 500mb acts like a fast cache so it's not really usable as GPU RAM" NOBODY would be complaining. It's just hard for me to wrap around that you guys are perfectly ok with being lied to. If the community was like "Ok bro, we are cool still don't worry about it" where does it end? If people don't sticker them for the little things like this, when will they stop lying? How far will they push it? Someone brought up the hard drives not having their advertised capacity, and it's an extremely good argument. They are blatantly lying, but because nobody harped on them for it, they never fixed the problem. If NVIDIA wanted to use 500mb for whatever, they should have put 4.5GB on the card and advertised it as 4GB. Just like IMO HDD manufacturers should put 554GB on a HDD instead of just 500 so I can have my full 500GB that I paid for instead of 446GB (using my laptops HDD as an example).
 
Also, I'm a 290x owner not an NVIDIA owner, and this still enrages me.
 
/Endrant

I personally wouldn't mind if the AC went out as it was only advertised that it worked... I would just use the power of review and reputation on the internet; which in my libertarian view reputation is a stronger force than a government or court system...

ziomuschio
another upadte for US customers; Big name law firm currently investigating Nvidia over GTX 970 http://bursor.com/investigations/nvidia/

Andddddddddddddd this will be a class action filing, lawyers will get LOTS of money and end user will get a $3 off coupon to book of the month club.............watch .......wait ..................and see..............................

seta8967

ziomuschio
another upadte for US customers; Big name law firm currently investigating Nvidia over GTX 970 http://bursor.com/investigations/nvidia/

970 users will end up getting AC:U for free while the firm gets millions.

Ohh but but but, its a lawsuit! We will show them we mean business and get all of our moneyz back....  >.>
 
I look at class action lawsuits and just cringe. If everybody took the time to do what Heather Peters did then Nvidia would be scrambling to get some sort of answer out there as to what they plan to do to make this right.

I think we go like $20 for our Lexus that may just go full throttle at any time 
the lawyers got like $250 million

Knew this will happen. People whining about how much a lawyer/firm will earn. Mind your own business?. If you are illiterate and jobless doesn't mean others should drop to your level and beg to live. What an absolutely disgusting way of living.
 
Humanity these days...

BF3PRO

Baltothewolf

-ZS-Carpenter

donta1979
It amazes me people are complaining. Shady move yes... But buying a cheaper card/cards for 4k gaming people really... First everything was fine for all of you you could not be happier with your purchases. Then the dirty launders comes out you cannot use all 4gb on your CHEAPER cards where 500mb is allocated for other gpu task. All of a sudden your all demanding 100-200 dollar refunds free stepups to a 980 something you obviously didn't pay for. You want a gpu to do big boy things, play at 4k guess what be a big boy go out and buy a GTX 980 or even a Titan/Titan Black... Stop being a child expecting a 320-355 dollar gpu to give you the same performance to do the work of a 500-1000 dollar card. Really people..

+1
 
It will be a while before you can really game at 4k. The hardware is just not there yet. It is getting close but what is available now is just not quite enough. It can be done but you have to make some sacrifices to keep smooth game play. Even without knowing about the misinterpretation of the 970s when i bought mine I knew that they would not run high res at full ultra settings. Anyone that did had not done their homework and are throwing a huge fit over a non-issue. My cards perform just as well today as they did the day I opened the box. The 970 is still one of the best cards you can get for the money, none of that has changed.  

So if you went out and bought a car that was advertised as having working A/C, but above 95F it would crap out and not as well, you would be ok with that? I mean, they advertised it has working A/C, and it does, to a certain point. You people have some of the most bias, fanboy opinions sometimes it's enraging. The point isn't that you can't utilize that much GPU power, it's the fact they blatantly lied. If they had came out and said "Hey, it has 4GB ram but 500mb acts like a fast cache so it's not really usable as GPU RAM" NOBODY would be complaining. It's just hard for me to wrap around that you guys are perfectly ok with being lied to. If the community was like "Ok bro, we are cool still don't worry about it" where does it end? If people don't sticker them for the little things like this, when will they stop lying? How far will they push it? Someone brought up the hard drives not having their advertised capacity, and it's an extremely good argument. They are blatantly lying, but because nobody harped on them for it, they never fixed the problem. If NVIDIA wanted to use 500mb for whatever, they should have put 4.5GB on the card and advertised it as 4GB. Just like IMO HDD manufacturers should put 554GB on a HDD instead of just 500 so I can have my full 500GB that I paid for instead of 446GB (using my laptops HDD as an example).
 
Also, I'm a 290x owner not an NVIDIA owner, and this still enrages me.
 
/Endrant

I personally wouldn't mind if the AC went out as it was only advertised that it worked... I would just use the power of review and reputation on the internet; which in my libertarian view reputation is a stronger force than a government or court system...

Yea but people spoke with their wallets on AC:U didn't they? I know at least 3 people that torrented the game instead of buying it due to all the problems the game was having.

If people don't make a uproar about it now then it just leaves the door open for nvidia do this again.