darklyspectre
I mean im reading stuff here about reference versions having better ASICs than classified versions. which are supposed to be like top of the line binned GPUs with super OC power. 

 
Lower ASIC's are better binned chips for higher overclocking potential on water/dice/ln2. If you're buying a Classified or K|NGP|N edition card and trying to get max overclocks on air you're doing it wrong, majority of the Classified & K|NGP|N cards will come with lower ASIC's because they are targeted at users who want to get max overclock out of the card while running water/dice/ln2. You could still buy a Classified and try to get a higher overclock on air, however, just know your chances of finding a Classified with a high ASIC is going to be difficult because the cards are targeted at water/dice/ln2 users.

Sajin

darklyspectre
I mean im reading stuff here about reference versions having better ASICs than classified versions. which are supposed to be like top of the line binned GPUs with super OC power. 

 
Lower ASIC's are better binned chips for higher overclocking potential on water/dice/ln2. If you're buying a Classified or K|NGP|N edition card and trying to get max overclocks on air you're doing it wrong, majority of the Classified & K|NGP|N cards will come with lower ASIC's because they are targeted at users who want to get max overclock out of the card while running water/dice/ln2. You could still buy a Classified and try to get a higher overclock on air, however, just know your chances of finding a Classified with a high ASIC is going to be difficult because the cards are targeted at water/dice/ln2 users.

I see. I just saw people mostly complaing about how low the ASIC scores were.  my bad. it is still a fact that the classifieds are very dissapointing for what they were marketed for.
 
Plus saying that these are meant for water/LN2 is kinda wrong if you have to believe EVGA
 
"Of course, when paired up with EVGA's Award Winning ACX Cooling, you get reduced temperatures, silent operation, and best of all, unbelievable overclocking potential!"
 
Nowhere in the classified description does it say "this GPU is a card for LN2/watercooling and it will be mediocre on air" Hell the kingpin is the watercooling/LN2 card no? They actively advertise the ACX cooler which is how we should be getting unbelievable overclocking potential.
 
So I made the mistake on the meaning of the ASIC scores. 
 
How does the ASIC score change how a card reacts to a overclock? as far as I can remember an ASIC score is the quality of the circuitry of the card which impacts overclocking meaning a higher ASIC score = better quality chip = higher overclocking"
 
I don't see how a GPU that has a low ASIC score which completely crashes with say a +30mhz overclock on air is suddenly going to be AMAZING if you put a waterblock? Since all a waterblock does is give beter cooling than air.
 
I am curious since il probably put a waterblock on my Ti classy
 
 
 
 
 

ovrclkr
If this is the case then why does EVGA bother with an enhanced cooler? How big is the market for water/dice/ln2 anyway? Most people are going to run these on air. The reason I bought a TI Classified was the expectation that the card would be a better than average overclocker. (which was implied in all the marketing) What I received was a card that is below average for a reference card. I'm not trying to set any world records for overclocking, I just want a decent overclock on a card that's been designed and marketed for overclocking.

For better air cooling, it never hurts to have lower temps & the card has to come with a cooler of some type. Water/dice/ln2 market no idea. The card has been designed for overclocking, the PCB is non reference and includes higher quality components to aid in overclocking when under ideal conditions. The marketing says "unbelievable overclocking potential", which means it has the potential to overclock better when under ideal conditions, ideal conditions being water/dice/ln2, modded vBIOSes, hard mods & EVBot.
 

darklyspectre
I see. I just saw people mostly complaing about how low the ASIC scores were.  my bad. it is still a fact that the classifieds are very dissapointing for what they were marketed for.
 
Plus saying that these are meant for water/LN2 is kinda wrong if you have to believe EVGA
 
"Of course, when paired up with EVGA's Award Winning ACX Cooling, you get reduced temperatures, silent operation, and best of all, unbelievable overclocking potential!"
 
Nowhere in the classified description does it say "this GPU is a card for LN2/watercooling and it will be mediocre on air" Hell the kingpin is the watercooling/LN2 card no? They actively advertise the ACX cooler which is how we should be getting unbelievable overclocking potential.
 
So I made the mistake on the meaning of the ASIC scores. 
 
How does the ASIC score change how a card reacts to a overclock? as far as I can remember an ASIC score is the quality of the circuitry of the card which impacts overclocking meaning a higher ASIC score = better quality chip = higher overclocking"
 
I don't see how a GPU that has a low ASIC score which completely crashes with say a +30mhz overclock on air is suddenly going to be AMAZING if you put a waterblock? Since all a waterblock does is give beter cooling than air.
 
I am curious since il probably put a waterblock on my Ti classy

 
The PCB of the classy & kingpin is non reference and includes higher quality components to aid in overclocking, this is where it gets it's potential from, it's potential does not come from just the cooler itself but from the entire card as a whole. 
 
Low ASIC quality = lower leakage current & more stability, less current draw at a given clock speed, lower clocks at a given voltage, higher voltage needed. You can run higher voltage on water/dice/ln2 than on air which help produce more MHz.

looks like a 290x lightning is in my future, skyn3t over on OCN just said the cards will not be able to do more than 1.4v ever without hardmodding =\ so there goes the great classified card in all its glory right down the crapper for me.

lol come on now, there is no reason for a BBB complaint. If you feel disappointed, ask for a refund or sell the card. 

I am one of the guys posting there as well (chose a stupid username "geggeg" when registering). 

Many problem float around GTX780Ti most of them connected with NVIDIA.
Look only profile of their cards of 750-1000$ reference. They connect everything for 50$, power section junk,
and sell that and that's product of the year. Obvious they do everything to stop all of their partners to escape from such junk.
And than we get ferrari with speed limit on 180km/h.
EVGA can make good job in back in production GTX580 Classified famous as "Fermi Last Good NVIDIA Overclocker"...
And when NVIDIA fans wish to OC to remember good days.

That's complete disaster if they don't know when you can get card.
 
 

matthmaroo
I did ask for a refund they said 15% restocking fee for there broken card, of which they still have not RMAd my card , I asked for a RMA on DEC23 , provided collateral JAN2 and they still can't tell me when a card will be shipped, it's the 10th LOL

a restocking fee for a broken GPU that has been in RMA for ages with no information on when you are getting a new one?
 
that is some bull****. 
 
I think when I am getting home I am just going to sell my 780 Ti in belgium and look for something else. 
 
The only thing I can think off is either a gigabyte GHZ or a lightning 290X. 
 
but then again both companies get rid of warranties when you put watercooling on it 
 
But I am thinking of completely redoing my PC end next year because of DDR4 and that new intel CPU(8 cores awyush). discovered my bank gives me cheap ass loans because I have been with them forever. 
 
the new GPUs like maxwell and **** will be out by then. 
 
EVGA is getting ditched. This is just crappy horrible customer service and all of this mess just because of some overclocker dude and Nvidia still being idiots.
 
I was thinking of being one of the guys who just gives in and get a kingpin(since I could easily get a loan to upgrade my PC) SLI with watercooling. but uck this mess this guy is having with that RMA? just blew all chance of that.

Triss
pay to check with MSI and gigabyte some companies dont mind cooler removal  some do 

well I read alot of things about MSI putting tamper free stickers on the screws that void the warranty.

Hmm some you can its not just evga
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=3
 
have a look there used to be a list but too late for me too look atm
 
 

darklyspectre
Where the hell is jacob or somebody else from EVGA. they are just ignoring us involving this thing I havent seen them adress our concerns and problems. 

 
I already replied on this earlier.
 
There already is a 3rd party unofficial BIOS floating around that has changes to allow for higher voltages, obviously this is not exactly endorsed by EVGA.
 
We are working on releasing an "official" EVGA version that more or less has the same update, but because of some limitations/restrictions, there are some roadblocks with actually releasing it. We are still working out the full details.
 
Once I have an update I will post here.

I finally got in touch with someone at EVGA that cared I had been a loyal customer for 8 years and they are overnighting my RMA ... I should have it tomorrow...

EVGA_JacobF

darklyspectre
Where the hell is jacob or somebody else from EVGA. they are just ignoring us involving this thing I havent seen them adress our concerns and problems. 

 
I already replied on this earlier.
 
There already is a 3rd party unofficial BIOS floating around that has changes to allow for higher voltages, obviously this is not exactly endorsed by EVGA.
 
We are working on releasing an "official" EVGA version that more or less has the same update, but because of some limitations/restrictions, there are some roadblocks with actually releasing it. We are still working out the full details.
 
Once I have an update I will post here.

Welcome back Jacob.
 
Will EVGA honor all warranties on our card if we use a non-EVGA BIOS on the 780 TI Classified? Hopefully we'll get a chance to chat next week.

cant even get my card to not shutdown the rig at 1.4v now, this is getting very old very fast. Time to sell and move on to something else.