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2011/12/22 19:57:24 (permalink)
So I did not do enough homework and now I have a MB that does not fit 100% the way it should because My cards are long and sit on the connectos for the front pannel.  I see some bent their pins 45 degrees.  Any other ideas?  Turning the PC on via the MB buttons is not going to work either.  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/22 20:36:42 (permalink)
Ok, I mod my cables so I am good but I am still interested as to what else you all have done.  Little Sister, I see you have 3 cards, how did you get yours to fit?
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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/22 21:52:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Ah, you are now talking about a subject that I have been preaching about for three months: Long cards , not short cards, over the ECP v4 header in the #3 PCIe slot. If you don’t do anything before installing the second position card, you are heading for problems down the road.
 
This is the solution and it is best performed with the MB removed from the case so you can get best angles of view.
 
First, my results are based on trials with two GTX580s , like you have. I have also tried two GTX480s. There was very little difference.
The plan:  To place two cards in SLI, optimized for spacing/cooling. I chose RED PCIe slots #1 and #3.

 
 
The #1 slot card will fit w/o problems.
The second long card in PCIe slot #3 has three interferences; at least it did for me.
The three things to consider:
1)      Front Panel AUDIO header, only if you have backplates.
2)      The Front Panel header (PWR LED, RESET, PWRSW)
3)      The 16-pin (2x8) ECP v4 header
 
Front Panel Audio header, if you have backplates, the fix will require you to remove the back plate and grind out a small area ( .75 X .25 inch) which comes in contact with FP Audio Connector. Do not try and bend this header. 
 
 
 

Front Panel header (PWR LED, RESET, PWRSW): bend just the PWRSW pins using the connector, 15-20 degrees towards the back of the computer case. You will see if any other pins on that header also need this operation by looking with trial fits. For me, it was only necessary to bend the PWRSW header pins. Bending prevents the connectors from acting like rigid vertical support beams.
 

 

Last, but not least is the 16-pin (2x8) ECP v4 header: This is more tedious fix, but when done correctly, works perfectly.
- remove the pins from the connector shell after marking them for correct reassembly (careful) Do both RED and BLACK.
 

 

- With no more than two strokes, each in opposite directions, at a time across a medium metal file, abrade the top and bottom of the connector shell until the distance between the surfaces are the same dimension as the inserted pin. I forget exactly, but I think I removed 15mm from both ends measuring with calipers after each two-strokes.  This will give the wires the clearance needed to seat your long card without generating high back pressure on the PCIe locking dog, or latch. 
 
The photo below shows, after the mod, a credit card thickness of clearance for the wire to feed through.

 
Connecting to the header is a little more tricky now because all the designed-in self-centering is gone because of the modification. It's not a big deal, just wanted to mention that it will require more attention when lining up the pins.
 
Also, after installing the connector and before inserting the GPU, dress the red and black wires to lie as flat as possible across the top of the connector shell. They will develop memory and you won’t need to do this each time you remove the GPU cards.
 


Warning (IMHO): If you force the card down in this slot without modifying the ECP 4v connector shell, you could damage the GPU card tab and/or the MB connector, warp the MB and potentially force the cable insulation to migrate, exposing wire that may short over time.  
 
 

 

Hope this helps. It worked perfectly for me.
 
I'll ad pix later if you like
post edited by ZelmoQuad - 2011/12/22 22:56:32

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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/22 22:18:16 (permalink)
Thank you, this was my plan for the ECP.  Just skipping on the audio.  Pics would be great. :)
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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/22 22:44:33 (permalink)
The pix are up
 

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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/23 05:01:44 (permalink)
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Ok, I mod my cables so I am good but I am still interested as to what else you all have done.  Little Sister, I see you have 3 cards, how did you get yours to fit?


well i didnt connect the front panel audio, but theres a usb header and front panel power/reset headers that where a PITA. just folded the wires over and stuck my gpus in. the bottom gpu is a bit tight going into the pcie slot because it smashes a usb header, but fits fine IMO. the other 3 gpus are not an issue. This has always been an issue with SLI configs on any motherboard TBH. I have always had SLI in some fasion, since they came out...lol I have yet to see a MB that will fit perfect to every users needs.

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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/23 06:44:43 (permalink)
Thank you both for the feedback.  ZelmoQuad, great pictures, thank you so much.  You have some camera skills!
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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/23 09:07:45 (permalink)
+1 for LS. I have tri-sli as well (water cooled though, so all single slot). Manhandle was my solutions, resulting in some slightly bent pins. I only use power switch and HDD led though, which I think are the easiest ones to connect...
 
In general, these boards can handle sli, but whoever disigned them didn't really think it through... No access to the battery, no access to fp connectors, can't see the debug LEDs, etc...
 
To OP, as far as homework goes - I realized my case doesn't have a reset button after I started putting my system together... Ooops...

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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/23 15:35:23 (permalink)
For the sake of clarification. This is about double slot EE type long cards in the #1 & #3 PCIe slots. i.e. GTX590, 570, 480.
 
Crush if you like, you'll pay later.
 
I have had two and three way SLI's in 750i FTW, 780i SLI, 790i FTW, ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution and now the P67 FTW. There has never been a fit problem for me like this except the
P67-FTW.  
The new EVGA X79 MBs have located the FP case header back to the south edge as in the 7XXi series. They don't have ECP headers either.
 
The ECP is a nice gadget. Nice not to have to get on your knees and go to the back for CLR CMOS. Perfect compliment with ELEET. 
post edited by ZelmoQuad - 2011/12/23 15:42:00

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Re:Z68FTW with GTX580 SLI cards and f/p connectors, how did you do it? 2011/12/23 15:47:05 (permalink)
Jarek, I felt the same regarding the layout; "not well thought out." It's a good SLI board but a disappointment layout-wise compared to all the other EVGA SLI MB's I've built.
 
Only looked at the X79 layout and it looks like they resolved those issues in that design.

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