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Z170 Classified 4-Way SLI PCI Distribution Bug?

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2016/05/31 21:09:28 (permalink)
According to the manual, PE1 and PE4 was tested to be the best for 2-Way SLI rather than PE2 and PE4 giving theoretically x16 and x16 coming from the PLX. The reason being PE1 and PE4 is faster is because PE1 has more lanes deriving from the CPU. 
 
Now, the problem. When I plug in a card on PE1 and PE4 -- PE1 turns to x8, when I check in the BIOS. Is this suppose to happen? 
 
Because if PE1 turns into x8 anyway, might as well put it on PE2 with native x8 and PLX adding another x8 for x16 performance?  
 
If PE1 and PE4 combination is giving more performance than PE2 and PE4, it doesn't make sense... 
 
Someone enlighten me. LOL.
 
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    Sajin
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    Re: Z170 Classified 4-Way SLI PCI Distribution Bug? 2016/05/31 21:42:29 (permalink)
    Native lanes should always give better performance as they're a direct lane to the cpu. PLX lanes add latency and slight performance hits.
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    Re: Z170 Classified 4-Way SLI PCI Distribution Bug? 2016/05/31 22:03:49 (permalink)
    I agree. But if PE1 is going to reduce from x16 to x8 when the second video card goes into PE4 -- what's the difference between having a PE2 that is also native x8 from CPU? Atleast on PE2 it adds another x8 from PLX on top of the x8 from the CPU. You get what I'm saying? 
     
    Perhaps you're saying if the PLX adds another x8 on top of the native x8 it'll add latency? 
     
    As for the latency, I thought modern PLX such as one in this board have latency that are immeasurable? 
     
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    Re: Z170 Classified 4-Way SLI PCI Distribution Bug? 2016/05/31 22:17:43 (permalink)
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    I agree. But if PE1 is going to reduce from x16 to x8 when the second video card goes into PE4 -- what's the difference between having a PE2 that is also native x8 from CPU? Atleast on PE2 it adds another x8 from PLX on top of the x8 from the CPU. You get what I'm saying? 
     
    Perhaps you're saying if the PLX adds another x8 on top of the native x8 it'll add latency? 
     
    As for the latency, I thought modern PLX such as one in this board have latency that are immeasurable? 
     
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    Whichever slots run both cards at x8 each is where they need to be. Running through the PLX will add latency which will slow performance a bit. It may be low latency, but it's still added latency that you won't get while running over native lanes.
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    Re: Z170 Classified 4-Way SLI PCI Distribution Bug? 2016/06/01 05:54:50 (permalink)
    Confusing..The Classified 4-Way manual states "Slots 2 and 4 will give higher theoretical bandwidth 16x on both" and that "slots 1/4 always performed best for 2x SLI"..They said test results showed that, and I'm inclined to believe it..Also, "2 Way SLI/Crossfire will run 16/16 (Slot 2 and 4 required for 16/16 operation.")
     
    According to the information in the Classified 4-Way manual, PE1 will run in x16 mode unless PE2 is populated, then PE1 turns to x8 mode..PE4 will run in x16 mode unless PE6 is populated, then it turns to x8 mode..From what I gather, PE1 should not be reduced to x8 mode just because PE4 is populated unless a PCI-E Dipswitch is disabled.
     
    Make sure all the PCI-E Dipswitches (refer to mobo manual) are enabled and check for x16/x16 operation on PE2 and PE4..If still no joy, disable all the PCI-E slot Dipswitches except for PE2 and PE4 and check for x16/x16 operation..If still no joy, remove any/all add-in cards (sound card, wireless network card, whatever) you may have in the other slots, leaving only the graphics cards in PE2 and PE4 and check for x16/x16 operation.
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    Re: Z170 Classified 4-Way SLI PCI Distribution Bug? 2016/06/01 12:10:55 (permalink)
    PLX, much like the older NF200's we used for Gen2 (X58/P55) are a means to an end.  Z170 i5's/i7's have 16 lanes, so some means of replication is needed to run more than 2 way SLI.  Typically on something specifically GPU dependent you see that the X series boards outperform in 3/4 way SLI, this is due to having all 40 lanes on the CPU natively, and not having to use a PLX chip.  PLX will give a non-extreme board the ability to run more video cards than normal, however it is at a cost and the performance will never be as good as it could be through CPU only lanes, but far better than the alternative of just being capped at 2 cards. 
    The byproduct of lane replication is latency there is no avoiding this, which is why you have higher bandwidth, but the more lanes you can run through the CPU without a PLX the faster you will run. This was something I worked with the engineering team on to make sure the information was correct when it was released.   They ran a series of benchmarks and while slots 2 and 4 for 2 way SLI provided more throughput ability, the combination of 1 and 4, giving you less total lanes, but more derived form the CPU and consistently tested faster than 16/16 through PLX.
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    Re: Z170 Classified 4-Way SLI PCI Distribution Bug? 2016/06/03 23:06:03 (permalink)
    I think the thing that the OP is hung up on, and something that I've noticed, is that when using 1 and 4 where 1 goes direct to the CPU and 4 goes through the PLX, is that 1 is only running at 8x while 4 is running at 16x through the PLX. If the CPU derived lanes are faster, it seems to make more sense that slot 1 would be at 16x and 4 would be at 8x. 
     
    I noticed when running one card slot 1 goes right to 16x like it should. 
     
     
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