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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/02 21:48:42
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He didn't run the proper problem size.
It won't let me pick any higher because it won't detect all of my memory
That means that you need to tweak your settings a little more. Probably some voltage and RAM timings.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/02 22:02:11
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It won't let me pick any higher because it won't detect all of my memory
How much RAM do you have? I'm assuming 6GB... If that's the case, how many MB of memory does LinX show is available? If less than 4788MB. Select "ALL" memory and run it for 30 seconds to a minute, STOP the test... close LinX. Restart LinX. Your available memory should be over 4788MB now! Works every time for me. The other situation is that if Windows doesn't see all of your memory... ex. 3.99GB usable etc. then it's a whole other story... 
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/02 23:35:26
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It won't let me pick any higher because it won't detect all of my memory
How much RAM do you have? I'm assuming 6GB...
If that's the case, how many MB of memory does LinX show is available? If less than 4788MB. Select "ALL" memory and run it for 30 seconds to a minute, STOP the test... close LinX. Restart LinX. Your available memory should be over 4788MB now! Works every time for me.
The other situation is that if Windows doesn't see all of your memory... ex. 3.99GB usable etc. then it's a whole other story...
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/02 23:42:48
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Make shure you dissable your AV and Firewall when running Linx.
They both take up a lot of ram and can cause your problem.
I normally dissable both and then re-boot before running Linx.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/02 23:44:31
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yes I'm using 6GB, that didn't work, Windows does see all my ram
Hey there, just wanted to chime in about not being able to get to 25000 problem size with 6GB. You might have to stop and start LinX a few times, but ANYONE WITH 6GB OF RAM CAN GET IT. Open up the performance tab of the task manager then start LinX. You will see the CPU usage go immediately to 100% and the RAM will slowly fill up. Wait until the RAM is as high as it's going to go (for me this is approximately 5.59 then stop LinX and try 25000 again. If this doesn't work repeat the same process and the second time I guarantee you will free up enough RAM to do it. It usually works for me after one time, but sometimes I have to do it twice, but I can always get it to work.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/02 23:45:46
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Make shure you dissable your AV and Firewall when running Linx.
They both take up a lot of ram and can cause your problem.
I normally dissable both and then re-boot before running Linx.
Another good point. Make sure you don't have anything else running except LinX and Real Temp. That's all you need until LinX finishes.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/02 23:47:17
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It won't let me pick any higher because it won't detect all of my memory
How much RAM do you have? I'm assuming 6GB...
If that's the case, how many MB of memory does LinX show is available? If less than 4788MB. Select "ALL" memory and run it for 30 seconds to a minute, STOP the test... close LinX. Restart LinX. Your available memory should be over 4788MB now! Works every time for me.
The other situation is that if Windows doesn't see all of your memory... ex. 3.99GB usable etc. then it's a whole other story...
yes I'm using 6GB, that didn't work, Windows does see all my ram
Hey there, just wanted to chime in about not being able to get to 25000 problem size with 6GB. You might have to stop and start LinX a few times, but ANYONE WITH 6GB OF RAM CAN GET IT. Open up the performance tab of the task manager then start LinX. You will see the CPU usage go immediately to 100% and the RAM will slowly fill up. Wait until the RAM is as high as it's going to go (for me this is approximately 5.59 then stop LinX and try 25000 again. If this doesn't work repeat the same process and the second time I guarantee you will free up enough RAM to do it. It usually works for me after one time, but sometimes I have to do it twice, but I can always get it to work.
That's alot to go through Would Linx work just as well if not better if I used it in safe mode?
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/03 00:00:52
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It won't let me pick any higher because it won't detect all of my memory
How much RAM do you have? I'm assuming 6GB...
If that's the case, how many MB of memory does LinX show is available? If less than 4788MB. Select "ALL" memory and run it for 30 seconds to a minute, STOP the test... close LinX. Restart LinX. Your available memory should be over 4788MB now! Works every time for me.
The other situation is that if Windows doesn't see all of your memory... ex. 3.99GB usable etc. then it's a whole other story...
yes I'm using 6GB, that didn't work, Windows does see all my ram
Hey there, just wanted to chime in about not being able to get to 25000 problem size with 6GB. You might have to stop and start LinX a few times, but ANYONE WITH 6GB OF RAM CAN GET IT. Open up the performance tab of the task manager then start LinX. You will see the CPU usage go immediately to 100% and the RAM will slowly fill up. Wait until the RAM is as high as it's going to go (for me this is approximately 5.59 then stop LinX and try 25000 again. If this doesn't work repeat the same process and the second time I guarantee you will free up enough RAM to do it. It usually works for me after one time, but sometimes I have to do it twice, but I can always get it to work.
That's alot to go through
Would Linx work just as well if not better if I used it in safe mode?
I'm not sure about safe mode, but what I describe isn't a lot of work. It takes maybe 30 seconds. I'm talking about starting the program and stopping it after 10-15 seconds. And then if that doesn't work doing that again for another 10-15 seconds. Just make sure you have task manager open so you can see what I am talking about. (The quickest way is to open it is to right-click the taskbar and click "Start task manager"). Try it, you will see it's no big deal, and it works. Not to mention it's one of the requirements Kram has set to be in the club. Good luck, I'm sure you will get it. 
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
2011/05/03 00:02:37
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If you want try diagnostic startup through the msconfig. It will only load the essential drivers. I never tried safe mode as it doesn't load any.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 00:37:47
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What do you guys think is the max Vcore for a 24/7 OC on a Gulftown CPU? I see a lot of people well over 1.4 and some over 1.5! I just set up a new water cooling loop and I know I can take my chip higher. So far in my attempts to go higher heat is no longer my limiting factor, but I worry about having a Vcore that high. I thought I remembered reading that 1.4 would be the absolute most you should put on a gulftown, but obviously this isn't the case. So what do you guys think the max is without seriously shortening the CPU's life span? Also keep in mind this OC would be for 24/7 use, I'm not into benching just for the sake of it, I OC so I can use the CPU at that speed all the time. Thanks for any input guys.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 00:40:58
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Hey guys quick question i been beating the crap out of my PC to get to 4.2ghz gets to about the 11th run in linx then linx stops responding. No BSODs nada just stops responding windows message blah blah blah already at 1.3975 Vcore in BIOS how much more do i need? Or should i be looking elsewhere for the cause? running in diagnostic mode as suggested with everything off.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 00:52:34
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 00:56:56
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Hey guys quick question i been beating the crap out of my PC to get to 4.2ghz gets to about the 11th run in linx then linx stops responding. No BSODs nada just stops responding windows message blah blah blah already at 1.3975 Vcore in BIOS how much more do i need? Or should i be looking elsewhere for the cause? running in diagnostic mode as suggested with everything off.
For me to get 4.2GHz I need 1.4375v because my chip is the devil and needs a lot of voltage. Though a hardlock in my experience is Memory related so I ask what your CPU VTT is? Raise the voltage until you are no longer comfortable. For me to get 4.44GHz stable I need 1.575v but I don't run that 24/7. I will if I ever need to do it for something though. This weekend I will probably push it into 1.6v with a CPU VTT of +400 or so. I want 4.5GHz. And you are probably thinking "but love, if you give it that much, your chip may die." Well I'll just have to buy new one then won't I. Except if I need to buy a new one it will be a 990X which I will treat better. So I guess you could say I am trying to kill this one on purpose.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 00:57:07
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Hey guys quick question i been beating the crap out of my PC to get to 4.2ghz gets to about the 11th run in linx then linx stops responding. No BSODs nada just stops responding windows message blah blah blah already at 1.3975 Vcore in BIOS how much more do i need? Or should i be looking elsewhere for the cause? running in diagnostic mode as suggested with everything off.
If you are sure it is not your temperature causing the freeze, it will have to be either the Vcore or the VTT. It is possible that the voltage coming from your board is unstable. Check you PWM frequency and bump it up a notch while watching you VREG temps. Your Vcore is already very high as you noted. Not all CPUs are created equal and yours might just not wan to run 4.2GHz. jethc9
What do you guys think is the max Vcore for a 24/7 OC on a Gulftown CPU? I see a lot of people well over 1.4 and some over 1.5! I just set up a new water cooling loop and I know I can take my chip higher. So far in my attempts to go higher heat is no longer my limiting factor, but I worry about having a Vcore that high. I thought I remembered reading that 1.4 would be the absolute most you should put on a gulftown, but obviously this isn't the case. So what do you guys think the max is without seriously shortening the CPU's life span? Also keep in mind this OC would be for 24/7 use, I'm not into benching just for the sake of it, I OC so I can use the CPU at that speed all the time. Thanks for any input guys.
Just like for the VTT and QPI PLL, the max Vcore per Intel is 1.4V. I tend to think that these are conservative numbers but higher voltage will cause earlier failure of the chip. However every chip is different and at least at the silicon level, they vary greatly from chip to chip: you could get 3 years or 30 years from it running 24/7. There is another power related level of failure I am not as familiar with called the packaging level. (package surrounding the silicon connecting it to the pcb) It is generally less sensitive to excessive voltage in general because of the dimensions of the wires. I honestly wouldn't worry too much about exceeding the recommended max voltage by 5%. beyond that it is kind of a lottery.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 01:06:04
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What do you guys think is the max Vcore for a 24/7 OC on a Gulftown CPU? I see a lot of people well over 1.4 and some over 1.5! I just set up a new water cooling loop and I know I can take my chip higher. So far in my attempts to go higher heat is no longer my limiting factor, but I worry about having a Vcore that high. I thought I remembered reading that 1.4 would be the absolute most you should put on a gulftown, but obviously this isn't the case. So what do you guys think the max is without seriously shortening the CPU's life span? Also keep in mind this OC would be for 24/7 use, I'm not into benching just for the sake of it, I OC so I can use the CPU at that speed all the time. Thanks for any input guys.
rafale
Just like for the VTT and QPI PLL, the max Vcore per Intel is 1.4V. I tend to think that these are conservative numbers but higher voltage will cause earlier failure of the chip. However every chip is different and at least at the silicon level, they vary greatly from chip to chip: you could get 3 years or 30 years from it running 24/7. There is another power related level of failure I am not as familiar with called the packaging level. (package surrounding the silicon connecting it to the pcb) It is generally less sensitive to excessive voltage in general because of the dimensions of the wires. I honestly wouldn't worry too much about exceeding the recommended max voltage by 5%. beyond that it is kind of a lottery.
Thanks for the advice. So it looks like I'll try and keep it under 1.47V (that is what you are saying with 5%, right?) I'm not too worried about the chip lasting for years and years at a high OC, as I will be buying a s2011 chip ASAP, but I don't want to kill it either. Would be nice to use it in a secondary system down the road with my standard 4.2Ghz OC. Thanks rafale. Any other opinions are also welcome!
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 01:19:54
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You are most welcome. I work in the semiconductor business. Without telling too much, let's say that my job is involved in the manufacturing of the chips. I deal with reliability questions from customers all the time but I work at the silicon level aka the front end of the manufacturing process. The 5% is not a hard set rule. It is just a conservative rule of thumb. You will not kill your chip instantly unless you apply some crazy voltage to it if this is what you are worried about. People with LN2 have taken the chips to 1.6V or more.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 01:40:34
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You are most welcome. I work in the semiconductor business. Without telling too much, let's say that my job is involved in the manufacturing of the chips. I deal with reliability questions from customers all the time but I work at the silicon level aka the front end of the manufacturing process. The 5% is not a hard set rule. It is just a conservative rule of thumb. You will not kill your chip instantly unless you apply some crazy voltage to it if this is what you are worried about. People with LN2 have taken the chips to 1.6V or more.
Good to know. I wasn't necessarily thinking the chip would die instantly, just that it would either A.) Really shorten life expectancy or B.) need more and more voltage to be stable at the same OC over time. I have heard other people say that option B was something that could actually happen, but since I have never experienced it I'm not sure. If that is possible it is certainly something I would like to avoid.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 02:27:40
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You can PM me if you want to know more. I'd rather not reveal too many things here but indeed the chip will indeed degrade over time and require higher voltage... But this occurs at stock as well. Higher voltage and temperature will accelerate the process but again it is difficult to predict exactly how much because of the large margin of error.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 07:53:37
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 08:34:47
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Congratz Jlee. Looks like you made it!
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 08:50:45
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I have it runing Linx again with a little faster cpu speed.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 09:47:17
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QPI PLL 1.2 << should i go higher?
VTT +150
As far as RAM timings divider etc 21x201 for CPU ram with a 2:8 for 1610mhz 8-8-8-24-1T-74 DimmV set to 1.64 works out to 1.66ish in BIOS (supposed to run at 1.65v for stock) should i just set it to 1.65?
I haven't ever touched the PWM but ill try increasing them by one notch each Vreg stays pretty cool under load mid 60s.
Not sure if it helps but the last BSOD was a 1d or w/e every BSOD has been different and none are the same. It wasnt a hardlock on linx it just threw a windows error of not responding the rest of my system worked fine. i even played some music right after. It was just linx that stopped. i see most people running +250 VTT even with just a 2:8 divider but where should my QPI PLL be ? 1.2/1.25/1.3? BSODs ive encounter 1d 7e 3b etc not one 101 or 124.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 10:27:20
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It is safe to go higher with the QPI PLL. What are your CPU and VTT PWM frequencies? I would not raise the VTT much beyond what you have. For reference my 920 D0 needed 1.4V VTT to run 200MHz bclock but only 1.325V for 191MHz. I switched it back and forth between 191x21 and 201x20. You can do one variable experiments to see what voltage is your problem.
From your current setup just raise one of the voltages or PWM frequency by a couple of notches to see what the results are:
Try one a time:
VDimm @ 1.7V
VTT @ 1.4V
QPI PLL @ 1.275V
VTT PWM frequency @610MHz
CPU PWM Frequency @1210MHz
Raise your Vcore
If your crash mode changes with one of these and it is not temperature related at least you will have one direction to explore or you will have fixed one problem and have moved to the next. If it completely fixes it you can lower the setting to find the point at which it crashes. Troubleshooting by BSOD code will not get you too far.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 18:53:48
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jlee2448 and Kajimbo, welcome to the club.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 19:30:27
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Ok so ive been at this for 6 hours now i got to pass 13 of linx same F ing thing "linx has stopped Responding" increased Vcore resulted in a BSOD after 3 passes 1d put it back to 1.4v ran again this time with more VTT 250 to be exact BSOD TCPIP.sys. So its neither Vcore nor VTT causing the problem. So far
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Both pwms increased to rafales suggestion Vreg doesnt break 65C when under load from linx
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sorry its not a template getting frustrated at this point.
Temps hit 80C on the hottest core after 13 passes of linx so its not heat. And even after windows tells me linx isnt responding i can fire it right back up and i can go on the web etc just linx locks up.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 19:44:56
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Crushed,
I have run into the same problem of LinX crashing without a BSOD when I tried running mine at 4.78GHz by just increasing my multiplier. I personally think it is the Vcore being too low because the same exact settings work perfectly with a lower Vcore and lower CPU multiplier. Only problem is that I don't want to go any higher on the Vcore because of my temps. I have never BSOD under LinX. Only error with the wrong residue or just crash like you did.
I am not so sure you need the ICH and IOH to be so high. Did you try lower? ICH at 1.15V and IOH at 1.2? Not that it could be the problem but just curious.
Also just to make sure it is not your memory have you tried the same bclock with one multiplier down 1 or 2 units? (22x185). If you have the same problems with the exact same voltages then chances are we need to look at your memory timings or voltage. It looks from the timings you have that you have PSC chips (Rev 7.X Corsair) They like to be at n, n+1 or n+2, n timings.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 20:26:12
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So this time instead of a straight "linx stop responding" i got a Driver IRQL less than or equal BSOD I'm thinkin it is my RAM Timings causing most of my issues. should i try maybe 7-8-7-24?
gonna try to jockey the timings around a bit and see if anything changes ill post back in a few. wish me luck
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Re:X58 Stability Club
2011/05/03 21:13:15
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Not intending to be rude, but I'm wondering if we can move these posts about overclocking to the overclocking forum, and keep this thread to the intended topic (stability club applications). Are individual posts able to be moved?
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