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So is win10 a winner to upgrade from win 7? Still waiting with my free upgrade and not sure yet. Was waiting until I started hearing that it was good to go...
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 15:18:09
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I'm running windows 10 solid stable and all the game i played are running fine. you can update and if you don't like it you can roll back to windows 7 easy.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 15:44:47
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You can roll back to your previous Windows version up until 30 days after upgrade, then you have Windows 10 - period. Cautionary tale - Windows 10 bricked my laptop's LCD (EDID corruption, 3 panels dead and still no fix from M$ or Nvidia) as well as quite a few other Alienware M18X R1, R2, M18, and M17 (not sure what models) owner's laptops. If I were you I'd give it more time to "mature" - it's a free upgrade until July 31st 2016 anyways. EDIT: Shouldn't this be in the software section?
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 15:52:46
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Went back to WIN 8.1.....WIN 10 Nvidia Driver SLi support still sucks.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 15:55:42
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I really don't care for Windows 10. I have it on one system and I'm glad I didn't update on any more. No super crazy issues but a few annoying ones and I don't care for the privacy/telemetry and pushy stuff that is on there, even if you can turn some of it off.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 15:59:17
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I really don't care for Windows 10. I have it on one system and I'm glad I didn't update on any more. No super crazy issues but a few annoying ones and I don't care for the privacy/telemetry and pushy stuff that is on there, even if you can turn some of it off.
Just an FYI - that keylogging, email reading, and file grabbing stuff you agreed to in Windows 10 has been ported to Win7 and Win8/8.1 via Windows updates.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 16:06:10
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agent8
I really don't care for Windows 10. I have it on one system and I'm glad I didn't update on any more. No super crazy issues but a few annoying ones and I don't care for the privacy/telemetry and pushy stuff that is on there, even if you can turn some of it off.
Just an FYI - that keylogging, email reading, and file grabbing stuff you agreed to in Windows 10 has been ported to Win7 and Win8/8.1 via Windows updates.
But since in Win7/8.1 you have the option of not installing what you don't want to, you don't have to install any of that garbage.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 16:11:15
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You still have till July 2016 if you are undecided and some of the software bugs will be resolved i hope. Besides if you install now, you can always roll back to your previous version within 30days
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 16:54:56
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I turned all updates off on my W7 machine and I will review them one by one if I have to. I don't like the fact that an OS can decide what files are ok and not ok on my system and turn them off or uninstall them no matter what.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 17:06:10
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I turned all updates off on my W7 machine and I will review them one by one if I have to. I don't like the fact that an OS can decide what files are ok and not ok on my system and turn them off or uninstall them no matter what.
I think most people just click accept all recommended updates without reading what it does. Guess that applies to most policies that require consent
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 21:24:20
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Google and Facebook have been "peeking" in your privacy ever since I can remember, but suddenly when Microsoft does it in Win10 people get offended and boycott installing it :D dat logic
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:11:27
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Google and Facebook have been "peeking" in your privacy ever since I can remember, but suddenly when Microsoft does it in Win10 people get offended and boycott installing it :D dat logic
Google and Facebook are web services which people can either choose to use or not use. If you stop going to their website, they stop collecting information. Windows 10 is an operating system which will continue to collect information every time you turn the computer on regardless of which websites or services you use. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:18:58
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Google and Facebook are web services which people can either choose to use or not use. If you stop going to their website, they stop collecting information. Windows 10 is an operating system which will continue to collect information every time you turn the computer on regardless of which websites or services you use. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
I have yet to see a person that doesn't use Google :) And afaik the Win10 "Spying" can be blocked, I have it blocked for instance :)
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:25:52
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Google and Facebook are web services which people can either choose to use or not use. If you stop going to their website, they stop collecting information. Windows 10 is an operating system which will continue to collect information every time you turn the computer on regardless of which websites or services you use. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
I have yet to see a person that doesn't use Google :) And afaik the Win10 "Spying" can be blocked, I have it blocked for instance :)
Yes, it can be blocked ... as far as we know. But, most users won't or won't know how. But if you use Google, why do you even waste your time blocking Windows 10 spying? I thought you said Google was just as bad. What's the point you are trying to make? People expect a lot from an operating system. People will inherently distrust and avoid it on principle alone due to the fact that, by default, the operating system is set up to opt the user in automatically into sharing as much information as possible and share their computer and network as an adhoc filesharing server for other Windows computers in the local area. If the privacy issues were not default or hidden, their wouldn't be so many complaints. You know this and agree because you have purposely manually tried to block Windows 10 "spying". So, what's your point?
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:28:22
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Yes, it can be blocked ... as far as we know. But, most users won't or won't know how.
But if you use Google, why do you even waste your time blocking Windows 10 spying? I thought you said Google was just as bad. What's the point you are trying to make?
The point? That people freak out over a thing that has been ongoing for years maybe? I mean, its the 21st century, we would spend less time debating what DOESNT collect personal information.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:36:36
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ty_ger07
Yes, it can be blocked ... as far as we know. But, most users won't or won't know how.
But if you use Google, why do you even waste your time blocking Windows 10 spying? I thought you said Google was just as bad. What's the point you are trying to make?
The point? That people freak out over a thing that has been ongoing for years maybe? I mean, its the 21st century, we would spend less time debating what DOESNT collect personal information.
Like I said, why did you attempt to block Windows 10 "spying" then? Are you trying to say that spying is good and everyone should share? Or are you trying to say spying is bad? Are you yourself freaking out in the 21st century by attempting to block Windows spying? You can't have it both ways. You can't be on both sides of the coin. You can't point your fingers at everyone else and call them crazy while you drink the same koolaid.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:37:45
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most businesses thrive by sell consumer information for the purposes of advertisement in order to make a profit, i.e. credit card and cell phone companies. In this day and age, user content and browser history are used to accomplish the same thing.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:40:34
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ty_ger07 Like I said, why did you attempt to block Windows 10 "spying" then? Are you trying to say that spying is good and everyone should share? Or are you trying to say spying is bad? Are you yourself freaking out in the 21st century by attempting to block Windows spying? You can't have it both ways. You can't be on both sides of the coin. You can't point your fingers at everyone else and call them crazy while you drink the same koolaid. I think it is stupid to not get Win10 just because the spying. I know, it is not good, but what can you do? I have it blocked for a reason, maybe a dumb reason, but a reason nonetheless. My internet connection is freaking slow, like 3Mbps down, 1Mbps UP, so why have it hogged more by the telemetry spying and whatnot? Yes, the data sending can be minimal, but I need every bit of my connection...
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:44:14
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Three choices I would suggest. Pick one:
1) Use Win10 w/ data collection.
2) Use Win10 by turning off data collection.
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3) Use the best OS to date, which is Win7.
I personally would go with #3 until Win10 is improved dramatically.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/04 23:44:57
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ty_ger07 Like I said, why did you attempt to block Windows 10 "spying" then? Are you trying to say that spying is good and everyone should share? Or are you trying to say spying is bad? Are you yourself freaking out in the 21st century by attempting to block Windows spying? You can't have it both ways. You can't be on both sides of the coin. You can't point your fingers at everyone else and call them crazy while you drink the same koolaid.
I think it is stupid to not get Win10 just because the spying. I know, it is not good, but what can you do? I have it blocked for a reason, maybe a dumb reason, but a reason nonetheless. My internet connection is freaking slow, like 3Mbps down, 1Mbps UP, so why have it hogged more by the telemetry spying and whatnot? Yes, the data sending can be minimal, but I need every bit of my connection...
I don't see any reason to get Windows 10 at this point. It has nothing better for me than older versions. If it ever matures and offers anything better like better graphics performance or better memory management, then maybe I will upgrade. As it is now though, it is buggy, has worse performance and worse memory management with SLI systems, and worse compatibility. Even if I had no SLI performance or memory issues with Windows 10, I wouldn't have better performance than I already have since DX 12 is not yet ready. I see no reason to install Windows 10 and I see lots of reasons not to install it.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 03:53:54
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I stuck with Win2k for nearly 10 years, begrudgingly moved to XP, suffered through Vista, then jumped to Win7 ASAP. I used Win8 for about 15 minutes in a VM, until it took me 5 minutes to figure out how to power off the machine through the godforsaken charms bar. Microsoft's decision to remove the Start menu from the desktop to push a touch interface makes about as much sense as removing the steering wheel from your car and replacing it with a Theremin. Thankfully, they've made a good balance between touch-friendliness and keyboard-mouse use in Win10. The Live Tiles are okay, but I much prefer the old Win Vista/7 gadgets. They either need to add the ability to pin Live Tiles to the desktop (something that Insiders have been asking for since early betas), or bring back gadgets.
The "spying" stuff is irrelevant for me, but I'm still using the Insider builds. Without real-world feedback on how the OS is used, the engineers will have a harder time fixing real issues with the OS, not just the things that people whinge about on twitter. I don't think I've even accidentally activated Cortana yet. Don't have a mic, so the voice search is pointless.
No WMC is a big issue for me, since I have an HTPC. They're really pushing people to buy an Xbox to replace the HTPC, and I won't buy one.
SLI seems to be fine, but I really have no personal benchmark to gauge it against, since none of my previous systems used it. There's been some memory issues and lagging in MGS5 after the 1.02 patch, but other games are not having any trouble.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 05:48:03
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ty_ger07
Google and Facebook are web services which people can either choose to use or not use. If you stop going to their website, they stop collecting information. Windows 10 is an operating system which will continue to collect information every time you turn the computer on regardless of which websites or services you use. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
I have yet to see a person that doesn't use Google :) And afaik the Win10 "Spying" can be blocked, I have it blocked for instance :)
It's great when you have it blocked and then you are doing something private in front of your webcam and packets get sent. Then you wonder why... I've just heard of this happening.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 05:54:37
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Three choices I would suggest. Pick one:
1) Use Win10 w/ data collection.
2) Use Win10 by turning off data collection.
or
3) Use the best OS to date, which is Win7.
I personally would go with #3 until Win10 is improved dramatically.
I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment. Windows 7 remains the best choice that Microsoft has to offer in the way of operating systems.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 05:54:52
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In the past I have typically been an early adopter when MS would release a new OS. That changed when Windows 8 was released, I had read about it and then saw it on a family member's computer, and thought what in the world...
I did not purchase Windows 8 until 8.1 was released, at that time I did and have found I really like it. But I use it in desktop mode, still do not care for the tiles. Just don't see a place for that in a desktop pc.
Windows 10? I have not seen or ready anything that compels me to want to jump on board just yet, even with the free upgrade offer. I am happy with the performance and usability for me in 8.1, and am just not excited yet about moving to Windows 10.
Perhaps I will before the free offer period expires, but at this point just not sure I will even then.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 06:01:23
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After thinking about it for a while, the only thing that makes any sense about all of the telemetry data and crash reports being sent directly to MS and the immediate forced updates is that all Windows 10 users have been recruited to be 'beta' testers for Microsoft.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 06:25:16
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After thinking about it for a while, the only thing that makes any sense about all of the telemetry data and crash reports being sent directly to MS and the immediate forced updates is that all Windows 10 users have been recruited to be 'beta' testers for Microsoft.
People want faster bug fixes so now when MS gets the data which helps them to make bug fixes faster people complain about that too.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 06:43:57
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After thinking about it for a while, the only thing that makes any sense about all of the telemetry data and crash reports being sent directly to MS and the immediate forced updates is that all Windows 10 users have been recruited to be 'beta' testers for Microsoft.
People want faster bug fixes so now when MS gets the data which helps them to make bug fixes faster people complain about that too.
I have to agree about faster bug fixes being an improvement but I remember Windows 7 being released as a highly polished trimmed down version of Vista which didn't need a bunch of bug fixes after a successful testing period of Windows 7 RC. It seems to me that Microsoft rushed the release of Windows 10 which is an OS that is still basically in its beta testing phase and may or may not remain that way for its lifetime.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 06:47:06
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Consensus = Win 10 still has some issues to work out. Not as good as 7 yet . incompatibilities & annoying little bugs in win 10. NO need to update yet .
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 06:51:23
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After thinking about it for a while, the only thing that makes any sense about all of the telemetry data and crash reports being sent directly to MS and the immediate forced updates is that all Windows 10 users have been recruited to be 'beta' testers for Microsoft.
People want faster bug fixes so now when MS gets the data which helps them to make bug fixes faster people complain about that too.
I have to agree about faster bug fixes being an improvement but I remember Windows 7 being released as a highly polished trimmed down version of Vista which didn't need a bunch of bug fixes after a successful testing period of Windows 7 RC. It seems to me that Microsoft rushed the release of Windows 10 which is an OS that is still basically in its beta testing phase and may or may not remain that way for its lifetime.
I respect your opinion but Microsoft allowed thousands and thousand of users to test Windows 10 until the final version release. All of the bugs that I reported during the testing phase were fixed. New insider builds continue to be released and tested and yes I submitted bugs for those new insider builds as well. I'm a professional software/hardware tester by profession and Windows 10 is stable and is highly approved (by me). The new Microsoft Edge browser is a welcome addition. If I compare Windows 7 and Windows 10 then Windows 10 is faster, more stable, and is highly integrated with the cloud. Windows 8 was a total disaster and Windows 8.1 was a patch of that disaster until Windows 10 could become available.
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Re: Win10 Concensus?
2015/10/05 07:06:16
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I have yet to see a person that doesn't use Google :) And afaik the Win10 "Spying" can be blocked, I have it blocked for instance :)
I intentionally don't use Google and I rooted and butchered my Android operating system to remove all of that. I also did registry hacks and altered the services on W10. But anyway... I haven't had any issues with W10 since about the first week. I ran through preview builds for most of it. Going to the vendor's websites for each of my components allowed me to get all the updated drivers immediately. I have been pretty happy thus far and not really had any compatibility issues. You can roll back after 30 days at will as long as you rename the Windows.Old and $Windows. ~BT (or $Windows. ~WS depending on how you updated). That was working about a week or so ago still, anyway. I'm not sure if you can go back to W10 again for free, though.
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