sgtharry

4.99 on air? LOL I would say "NONE"?

 
I am guessing it is none also. What do you think is the ceiling for a 980x on air with a modded case and a Evga 770 mobo(or a Asus Rampage Extreme III)? 4.7GHz?

Testing updated rig and updated LinX. Temps are too high because of room temperature, a missing 140mmx25mm Noiseblocker fan , and I have not done some very serious BIOS tweaking.

More importantly, for now, what are the steps(like 1,2,3,4...) for inserting an image in a post?The Insert/image button does insert the screen shot in the message dialog box, but when I use the Post Message button,the Preview button, or the Save Change button the image disappears.
 

Test:Tweak of 2/2/2011 oc  ------980x@4.5GHz in 770 build on air. Currently testing serious tweaking to BIOS.

This is a test post for image uploading to the Evga forums  from a photo website that has better options than SkyDrive.
This oc is on air. Thank you rjohnson11 for pointing me in the right direction for uploading images! My new photo website processes  high res and large images without a hitch!

Sounds good KRAM. It is going to take time to gather the info and get the thread up and running.

rexrzer77

kram36

The two people that replied back to me on sig banners have not replied back since.

I have another person I will be contacting today.

I am simply checking back in here to confirm that yes, I DO write copy for a living, albeit a bit 
more complex than things you all are used to reading, and BORING as Hell's Half Acre too (Tech Writing Journals), but my last post was I hope not too much for you all! I simply wanted to break the seriousness and prepare anyone who is doing this job for the facts of the matter.

And it will be a JOB! If it's done right, that is.

To wit no one who Mr. KRAM has posted notes to about making a new signature badge, whatever he has in mind, has not replied again yet. Be prepared for lots of disappointments when doing public service, basically is the name of the game. Have a healthy attitude, one of skepticism but still, maintain a sense of humor if nothing else fits the bill! I do wish him the best of luck when and if he completes the thead planning, but alas it seems no one is soliciting us for ideas as yet beyond that which has been expressed here thus far.

I like K Moore's arbitrary but not discriminatory "percentage based sliding scale" for the various marques of CPU we have going on here, as it seems equitable and honest.  And since I do FAHome with ALL my rigs 24/7 and have accummulated something like 27 Million points so far, now going on 8+Million for Team EVGA (Folding@EVGA), and 18 Million or thereabouts for my last Team MacResource.com, I happen to understand stability in the 9th degree also. But you gotta start somewhere, I guess...thus we have the LinX 20X Passes Rule for getting into some sort of "Honor Society" for Mhz, and I think frankly that that is just too lightweight to be considered even hardly a standard for a Stability Club! 

I think there should be a much more stringent requirement for such a "Stability Club", whatever it is called, and that should perhaps include 4, 6, or 8 hours with Mr. PRIME95 @ Full Tilt Boogie 8 Threads for 4-Core machines, 12 Threads for 6-Core machines, et al, maybe more time for all I know? A combination of PRIME95 and LinX should be a MINIMUM REQUIREMENT for a real Stability Club, that's what I feel anyway, because the present requirement is just too easy for my tastes, as I happen to know what it means to be STABLE @ 4210Mhz 24/7 for months and months on end doing FAHome WU's...and even though I voluntarily "joined" the last Club and did the stupid LinX Qualification run of 20X iterations @ 4317Mhz with my 12GB of RAM-equipped production Classified E-760 workhorse of a computer, (the test ran for some 3 hours and 20 minutes as I recall)...even though I did that thing and used the banner in my signature for a long, long time, that is all history now!

You all think about it for a NY Second... and those of you who are doing Folding@Home know what I write about here tonight, and that is REAL STABILITY to where you actually accomplish something, not some cursory, easy, fast and simple qualification of "20X LinX with the latest Binaries" or whatever you guys are stressing now...frankly I don't hold much respect for such a deal! WHY don't whomever does this deal make a real, man-sized and IMPRESSIVE qualification setup for the Club, so that it does mean something special!? I don't necessarily think that it's the Mhz that are so important here, (although you may argue that it's impossible to have such a Club without a high Mhz qualification) I think that stability over a long time frame is even MORE IMPORTANT than passing 20X LinX @ your favored Mhz speed!

That's about all I wanted to write tonight, and you all chew on that thought for the next round of this gig, and see if it spits out blood or not? I'd like to see not such a high Mhz for those who are members of some EVGA Stability Club, whatever you end up calling it, but I'd much more like to see such a Club formed with a backbone, with some gumption, with some verve and excellence, not just mediocre old "LinX 20X and we done with it, and we're all good now!" I think that is not very meaningful in the big picture of being "Stable"! 

Look, anybody can FAKE one of these runs very easily in Photoshop and be done with it in 10 minutes, if you know what and how to do such a thing. Set up the rules for being a member for this Club to be HARD for people to join it, not just this present standard that you all hold so dear..."20X LinX with the latest Binaries"...whatever that means! Give the people a lesson in being earnest, as one great writer once penned the phrase, where "being earnest" meant much more than just a couple words in jest and fun...a "fun run to 20X LinX" such as it is now.
I'd seriously re-examine where this all started and why the SimC33 stopped being interested in doing it anymore, you know? There were just too many flakes and people who didn't belong in such a Club who were joining it, and joining it EASILY too I might add!

MAKE IT HARDER the next time, but don't make it unreachable either is all I am writing for your benefit, not my own. Putting the limit at 4.4Ghz for the lowly 920 is WRONG, in my opinion in such matters; however having 20X LinX as the sole requirement for being a member and getting this "Badge" is also ludicrous! I do like Moore's Law about the perfect percentage for being a starting point, this is good JuJu, but for God's Sake don't just keep 20X LinX with the "latest binaries" as the ONLY qualification for people being in this new Club! THAT is just too easy! Too easy to do, and too easy to FAKE, and yes, I believe that some people were probably doing some faking in the last iteration of this Club, whether you want to believe it or not. It's just my "healthy skepticism" coming to real means again, to write that, that is all I mean.

I don't mind if that is an important criteria for making the Club happen, but have a more stringent and meaningful test as part of the deal too, and I mean people should be willing to do something very, very hard, but still be reachable, also...even more than 20X LinX! Personally I like 20X LinX a lot, but I know it's not a real test of stability, either! Maybe 4, 6, 8 hours of PRIME95 successfully passed is also something to think about also! How about overnight PRIME95? Too much? OK then, make it 4, 6, or 8 hours of it....how about that for starters?

Thanks for reading this tonight as I mean nobody any harm by being here and taking up your sweet time. Just have a Club next time that is somewhat FUTURE PROOF and HARD to JOIN! That should be a requirement for any such Club here at EVGA.com....it should be hard to make it into the thing, period, end of discussion! I like to think that we're all in this for the same reason, and all I mean to make you realize by reading these thoughts tonight is that there is just too much "Easy Money $$" in this world, and the Free Lunch is reality in these welfare times...make it HARD, and DIFFICULT for someone to be a member of any new "Stability Club," or don't have one at all, that's what I really wanted to write tonight.

rexrzer77 

 
Stimulating statements  for my brain cells rexzer77. For my 2 cents on stability testing(my university degrees are in a non-technical field) I agree with miahallen's words of September 7, 2010.He said in his 3 STEP Overclocking Guide-Bloomfield and Gulftown under the heading Is it stable? "In my experience, the true test of stability is the regular daily operation of your system, doing what you intended it to do." I would prefer staying with 20x LinX for the new thread. It has worked well for me. But I would accept Prime 95 or whatever kram36 comes up with for testing.

Bluebrains
 Good morning rexrzer77: Today's comment on your post deals  again with a few words..."LinX with the latest Binaries..."
Below is my Novice 2.0  initial run of 4.6GHz. I am going to do some BIOS tweaking, and then try a 4.6GHz run with the Intel Burn Test in a few days. What are your thoughts on the Intel Burn Test?  

 
And you also wrote: "Stimulating statements  for my brain cells rexzer77. For my 2 cents on stability testing(my university degrees are in a non-technical field) I agree with miahallen's words of September 7, 2010.He said in his 3 STEP Overclocking Guide-Bloomfield and Gulftown under the heading Is it stable? "In my experience, the true test of stability is the regular daily operation of your system, doing what you intended it to do." I would prefer staying with 20x LinX for the new thread. It has worked well for me. But I would accept Prime 95 or whatever kram36 comes up with for testing. "
 
I am glad that you didn't take my thoughts out of context or try and analyze them, and that you responded with a very thoughtful couple of words...good show! I agree with your quote of miahallen's also, about stability being "regular daily operation of your system" also, another great reference. I am only concerned with having a valid, honest, near-impossible to fake "Stability Club" the next time EVGA.com does something like this, and it's got to be based on the present "20X (or other number, please read on) LinX run with the latest binaries" plus something else that everybody agrees is a fair, equitable, earnest test of one's system apart from LinX, to make it both difficult and worthwhile to "pass the test". I don't see any reason for doing the same old thing all over again, I mean how boring, how uneventful, how flacid, and how meaningless unless you make it more legitimate for everyone, all around.
 
People should want to become members of such a group, and the test shouldn't be so hard that it's impossible for members with a 920 series CPU to make it into the "club", I mean they should be given the chance to join also, and that means having a realistic Mhz for the baseline value. Some say that 4.2Ghz is not high enough, and I agree--as long as you don't go too high for the 920-crowd to have a chance at it legitimately...so why not 4.3Ghz as the bottom tier qualifying Mhz?
 
Having 4.3Ghz as the bottom value, the bare minimum Mhz one has to better to be a member is higher than 4.2Ghz, and less than 4.4Ghz, a happy compromise! Why not that value, then? I think it satisfies both lines of thinking: it makes for a much harder test than 4.2Ghz for the 920-series members, and yet it gives the people with 920-series CPU's a chance to legitimately qualify with a Mhz bottom ladder that isn't so lofty as 4.4Ghz seems to be, because I think you won't have many Core i7 920 owners qualifying at 4.4Ghz, plain and simple.
 
That's point No.1 I wanted to write about tonight, a simple compromise idea that I hope everybody sees the logic about. The 4.3Ghz qualifying Mhz is also a Mhz number that still remains a fair test for people with the bottom tier CPU of the bunch, the lowly but still viable 920-series CPU, the "founding CPU base" that we started this whole deal with, and about. I know that many members here now are NOT using the 920-series CPUs anymore, and God knows that even I will change to higher-tier CPU's in the coming year or two.  This is certainly true unless I want my PC's to be completely out of the loop with the new technology that is to be coming up very soon, all 32nm technology with advanced Core characteristics and abilities that are far higher than 4.3Ghz.
 
As for the secondary qualifying test that remains to be fully discussed and even considered, what do you all think about doing 4 hours straight of PRIME95 @ the Full Tilt Boogie setting with all Cores blazing, the "8 or 12 thread correlated mayhem" that that particular test can articulate for the user, which is certainly a very fair test of ultimate stability of a system, and quite different in terms of what it takes to make it through such a qualifying hurdle. Combine that exam with let's say 40X LinX for those with 6GB of RAM on board instead of 20X LinX as it now stands, and give the people with 12GB or more RAM a big old hardware exam by requiring that they pass 25X LinX, at the All Memory setting, not some arbitrary figure like 35K, or 37K, whatever.... make it the All Memory setting for the bottom line for everyone no matter how much RAM they are running.
 
I happen to run 12GB RAM in PC No.1, which originally set the bar for 12GB RAM Core i7 920 CPU's at EVGA.com waaaay back in October 2009, and that test was no easy thing to pass I assure everyone, with 20X LinX taking more than 3 hours and 20 minutes of hard, hard work on my CPU and memory banks... I remember that well! Well for the new club, whatever it is called, let's let no stone be unturned and make the requirement higher than the last time, make it 25X for those with 12GB RAM, and 40X for 6GB RAM, and that way both setups are being tested fairly, accurately, and very thoroughly too! Make the All Memory setting mandatory, and it should be fair for everyone who wants to pass the test, no matter what setup they are running.
 
Those are the things I have been thinking about the past couple of days, off and on, and that seems to be where I may differ from some of you in my idea of requirements for such a "Stability Club" as we are proposing. Make this one TOUGH, make it DIFFICULT, and make it EQUITABLE for each and every CPU and memory combination out there, and let's make no bones about the fact that this couple of tests will have to be passed consecutively without fail for either test, and those that make it qualify, and those that don't, well, they don't qualify....Plain Jane Simpleton ideas.
 
What do you all think about those ideas? Is that being too hard and too tough on everyone, or is it being realistically hard and tough on the members of the "Stability Club" that we all want to be worthy of joining, with requirements that are DIFFICULT, TOUGH, and EQUITABLE for every type of CPU and combination of RAM in the EVGA.com world? That is what I have been thinking about today, and the past couple of days too.
 
OK I'm done with it for now, and I await the thoughts of those of you with any interest in helping get the stage set for such a club, and making it a club that will be very prestigious, one that will arouse a lot of interest with EVGA motherboard users and competing users alike, with all types of CPU's and memory combinations possible. Discuss it here, and let's figure out the situation 100% in this thread and see if we can Make Pigs Fly!
 
I don't want to spoil anyone's party, but let's be realistic and honest about making such a Stability Club legitimate and meaningful for each and every person out there who wants to get the new badge, whatever it turns out to be. If anyone has any thoughts to the contrary let's hear them, and if you agree with this rather brutal, but realistic approach then let's make it legitimate and incorporate it into the charter of this new Stability Club.
 
Once we get the basic ideas manifested and fully implemented then I think that everyone will feel like this club is a great thing, a fantastic opportunity for people with CPU's from the lowly Core i7 920 up through the high-end 980x and 990x to come, with memory configurations of all sorts. I know that this is the first time that anyone has proposed the high requirements based on RAM in the house, but let's face it, it is very difficult for people with 12GB or more RAM to qualify based on the standards of 6GB RAM. It has to be coherent and make sense, and I think this is a darn good way to take care of that situation 100%.
 
rexrzer77  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I do know that Kram is a Folder, and understands the restrictions on folding, as apposed to just being stable at Linx, It would not bother me if Kram decided to have a difrent procedure or limit, for someone who wanted to post a SMP big advantage screen shot, as that would guarentee, > 80%  WU compleation , and be adventatious to team EVGA, but would also mean more work for Kram, those of you that do not fold, have no idea what I am talking about. But stable is not always stable regardless of what LinX says. Of coars, what ever Kram says is what goes, Good luck to you all, in your OC indevors.

Bluebrains

KMoore4318

I do know that Kram is a Folder, and understands the restrictions on folding, as apposed to just being stable at Linx, It would not bother me if Kram decided to have a difrent procedure or limit, for someone who wanted to post a SMP big advantage screen shot, as that would guarentee, > 80%  WU compleation , and be adventatious to team EVGA, but would also mean more work for Kram, those of you that do not fold, have no idea what I am talking about. But stable is not always stable regardless of what LinX says. Of coars, what ever Kram says is what goes, Good luck to you all, in your OC indevors.

Good morning kyle. Yes, I am clueless about folding. Let us have some more "big boys", advanced over clockers, professional over clockers like KMoore4318 check in with their comments about the above quote. And, of course, "whatever Kram says is what goes..."

 
I have no problem with that idea, as I am currently in the top 20 Folders, as is Kyle Moore, for Folding@EVGA, our Team which is No.1 in the world, happy to say! I could very easiliy submit any number of Big Advanced Work Units completed to satisfaction in less than 62% of the available allotted time span we are allowed for these monster projects, which take my 4.2Ghz overclocked 920's almost 3 days to fold (between 54 hours and 59 hours apiece, and that is 100% throttle 100% of the time for all those hours!)!
 
I am a folding maniac, and everything I own does folding, even my Core i7 laptop, an Asus G51JX-A1 with 16GB RAM! It doesn't matter what we choose for a 2nd validation point to me, but I still think that 4+ hours of PRIME95 will separate the Men from the Boys 100% of the time.
 
Figure something else out that is better suited to do that, and I'm a listener...maybe a doer. Just put it up here and let's see what it is, that's all I can say tonight.
 
rexrzer77 

To rexrzer77: Thank you for your response of 4 hrs. ago. And thank you for your excellent participation for Folding@EVGA.
 
After some more reflection about my Novice 2.0 opinion concerning adding 8 hours of  Prime 95, I have changed my mind. I now agree with your statement of 4 hours ago, "...I still think 4+ hours of PRIME95 will separate the Men from the Boys 100% of the time." Of course, it is KRAM'S call for setting up  the testing rules.
 
 

kram36

The two people that replied back to me on sig banners have not replied back since.

I have another person I will be contacting today.

 
Good morning kram36. How are things progressing for the creation of the new overclock thread?

haazhel

Clock means nothing these days really... CPU GFlops are more meaningful imho. I've seen a fellow evga forums member hit 5.3+GHz OC and get 80 GFlops with lastest Linpack binaries, while I get 81GFlops same binaries, 4.28GHz, on air (80°C max), but with cutting edge memory tweaking. I'm curious how much GFlops a 2600K @5Ghz can pull...

To haazhel and all forum members: Yesterday, I  downloaded and installed CPUID Hardware Montior Pro , and  signed up the the CPUID newsletter. When will I receive info from CPUID to get full usage of  HMPro? What does the full usage cost?
Answer to question: HMPro 1  year license is $34.00 with backup. I am going with Hardware Monitor for zip.
 
 

Ok guys, I think I have the signature badge getting ironed out. I have not forgotten about this.
 

kram36

Ok guys, I think I have the signature badge getting ironed out. I have not forgotten about this.

Great news kram36. I looking forward to seeing the signature badge and the requirements for the oc thread.

Bluebrains

To rexrzer77: Nice to have you back here with your words and thoughts. I do know the "general defintion" of progenitor---back I must admit to looking up the specific definition--------"a person who originates an artistic, political, or intellectual movement(Merriam-Webster)." So, I guess we could call kram  the  technological  leader of the oc thread.

 
Hah! You caught me at my worst...throwing esoteric and intellectually stimulating words up in the air and seeing where they do, in fact, land! But yes, I think that Mr. kram36, the many faceted Mr. kram36 at the very least I think we could say, is indeed a "progenitor" of the new stability thread to be, should we be so lucky! I look forward to his thoughts about what will be happening in that regard, at his leisure of course it seems it will be, with respect to the new rules of the road for such a thread and "Club".  
 
He certainly understands the Folding@Home aspect of being stable, because he's a member of Team EVGA in the Folding@Home world, which really helps all of us interested in having a legitimate and meaningful new "Club", at least I would think this is the case. I just wonder what he's got going these days, that is all, since he seems to have been very tight-lipped about the whole thing since we last heard from him about the new "Club".  
 
At some point we'll learn what the new "Club" will be all about, and I can only wish him the best in forming it the best way he knows how, as it is truly a monumental thing to be doing, just a huge job to take on with respect to all of us overclockers here at EVGA.com, but I have a really good feeling overall that he'll be doing a fantastic job when it comes down to the way things are handled.  
 
Since I last posted here I had the "learning experience" of installing a new Core i7 970 Hex-Core CPU in my No.1 PC, and what an experience it was! I don't know if any of you are aware of this or not, but the Classified E760 and any of the early X58 boards for that matter, are lacking a certain "positive resistor" up in the area of the CPU Capsule for the new CPU's to work properly, and my board, like all the others I presume, had to get "Modified" at EVGA Central in Los Angeles or my new CPU would have never, ever worked like it's supposed to. 
 
I worked with Shannon Robb, the Product Manager fellow who is posting here a lot in this Forum for various causes and reasons, to get my board Modified with a new, "positive resistor" that allows the new CPU's to work correctly with respect to Turbo Boost, and the 25X Multiplier itself, without which things were really, really, terribly so, SCREWED UP! When I first installed the CPU I had no clue as to what was going on but man did I learn quickly! I called EVGA Tech Support's #877 telephone number and asked why in the world I wasn't getting Turbo Boost with the new CPU, and why the board's BIOS wasn't giving me correct RAM timing readings, wouldn't hold adjustments or settings worth a dang, in other words things were truly a total Train Wreck with respect to my new CPU and any expectations about it performing 100%! 
 
Man, I was ticked off about it, too! When I called the LA, California offices at EVGA Tech Support I got shuffled from one Tech to another, until finally I arrived at "Tier 2", the "elite" and special Tech Support area where you go when the Tier 1 guys can't make heads or tails about the problem you've got...or so it seemed at first. Well slap me silly, but my Tech Support person at Tier 2 also couldn't figure out **** was going on with my CPU and board, or so it seemed at first, until he went offline for a good 10 minutes or more, (I lost track really about how long it was it was soooo long), and when he came back on the line he had some news for me!  
 
"I just learned that the Classified E760 motherboards need an "In House" Modification done to the board so that you in fact can have Turbo Boost, the 25X Multiplier, and so that settings and BIOS and everything to do with controlling the 970, 980X, and 990X CPU's works correctly," he told me. "I had never heard about this option before tonight", he went on, and proceeded to tell me how everyone at Tier 2 was then getting a new Memorandum from their bosses about the subject, and how EVGA would pay the tab, provide the transporting (UPS Ground Shipping in my case since I am close to Los Angeles) back and forth to EVGA Central for the customer boards, and that when the dust settled my board would be good to go with any of the new Gulftown/Westmere 6-Core 32nm process CPU's, virtually any one I'd care to use.  
 
Surprise to me! WOWZA! When things came down to getting the job done EVGA really did a bang-up job of getting my board all fixed up in record time, it taking just 1 week for the whole process to happen and my board be back in my hands, all Modified by Shannon Robb himself, so that my new 970 CPU would work like it's supposed to work in my Classified E760 motherboard! Isn't that a trip! Who would have guessed that EVGA would be so amenable and give such fantastic support to someone with an admittedly "old school" X58 motherboard? But support me they did, and then some, and today my new CPU is happily at home in its Modified Classfied new home, working at an admirable 4415Mhz overclocking, Turbo Boost, and the 25X Multiplier and all intact, BIOS functioning the right way, memory working the way it's supposed to work, in short my board has a "new life" with thanks to EVGA Tech Support!! YAY!  
 
Shannon Robb was very KUHL to work with, also, it turned out. Seems he's a bit of an overclocking "enthusiast" of the highest order at EVGA! In fact it's he who is responsible for actually taking on such jobs as modifying the Classified E760 boards to work with the new 6-Core Westmere/Gulftown CPU's, and it is he, himself who actually does the physical work of Modding the boards with that special, new "positive resistor" in place of a "negative resistor" that gets shirt-canned in the process of the Modification. I got to know him a bit during the process of my Mod, and you know it's pretty nice to have a Tech Support Department like we have at our home base for EVGA, I mean it really is KUHLNESS of the highest order, to say the least about it!  
 
They could have very easily just told me to buy a new board, one that already has the proviso for running the new technology CPU's, like a Classified E770 for example, but no, they went the extra 9-Yards and then some more to boot, by giving me Red Carpet Service of the highest order to get my vintage 2009 Classified motherboard all fixed up and working right with the new CPU's, and I think that deserves a special mention here in these Forums!  
 
So here and now I am going to salute and pay tribute and respects to my friends and tech support personnel at the EVGA Central Headquarters in Southern California, and they truly do deserve a big round of applause and congratulations for just being there for us like they were for me during this Modification process to my Classified E760 motherboard. (Applause x 1,000,000! Roars out into the stratosphere and into their ears and heads as they receive the praise from all of us grateful and pleased EVGA product owners!!!) I think that we've got the ONLY support staff of its kind here in the USA to deal with things like this that I just went through, and it's just astonishing to me, personally, that the EVGA Tech Support people are so willing to do things like this Modification to my motherboard. I mean it's just amazing to me, and I thank them from the bottom of my head, heart and wallet for being there for me during this time where they could have just said, "tough luck, you need a new board!"...but nope, they went the extra mile, and then some, and fixed me up 100% to the good, and I think that's simply FANTASTIC!  
 
OK, I'm done paying tribute to the guys and gals at EVGA Central, but don't you all think it's sort of an amazing thing to have Tech Support like we do at EVGA? They ROCK to me, they just ROCK and ROCK ON! Thanks EVGA so much for all that you do for us on a daily basis, for our unbelievable level of tech support that you people provide us, the folks who own your video cards, and motherboards, and corollary equipment to boot! 
 
You are simply put, THE BEST!  
 
rexrzer77