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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 14:42:15
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Is there a way to set it so that when it finishes the current workunit it will not start another.?
There probably is, but I'm unaware of how. Someone will chime in I'm sure.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 17:41:53
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1st bigadv WU now completed in exactly 48 hrs. The points for this was 65K, for the current WU it's 5% complete now with 67K vs the 25K I was seeing earlier though it was only at 2%. I don't know how all this bonus stuff works, so some bigadv pro can clue me in 
It sometimes takes a few percent before seeing more accurate results for the work unit in HFM. The 65-67K sounds about right for completing the work unit in 48-hours. Your core temps look great. You probably have some room to push up the frequency higher if you wanted. I like to keep my temps below 70C for 24/7.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 17:43:26
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Is there a way to set it so that when it finishes the current workunit it will not start another.?
If you use the web interface, there is a checkbox called oneunit that does that. If you started the client in the console, then add the -oneunit flag to the fah6 command.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 17:48:06
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console command shows
processor: 0
processor: 1
processor: 2
processor: 3
processor: 4
processor: 5
processor: 6
processor: 7
And checking affinity from task manager shows all Cpus ticked.
Not using anything to manage affinity
Priority is set to Low automatically, but Ive tried changing that to no avail.
Thanks for the help.
That all looks good. Your CPU should be loaded at 100% with this setup. Can you temporarily disable GPU folding to see if that helps any? I saw a FahCore_11.exe in your process list with the screenshot you posted. Also, do you have the VT option enabled in BIOS? What board are you running? Is there a BIOS update available?
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 18:48:59
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1st bigadv WU now completed in exactly 48 hrs. The points for this was 65K, for the current WU it's 5% complete now with 67K vs the 25K I was seeing earlier though it was only at 2%. I don't know how all this bonus stuff works, so some bigadv pro can clue me in
It sometimes takes a few percent before seeing more accurate results for the work unit in HFM. The 65-67K sounds about right for completing the work unit in 48-hours. Your core temps look great. You probably have some room to push up the frequency higher if you wanted. I like to keep my temps below 70C for 24/7.
Thanks LR, it's all good now at 67K. You've been a big help, much appreciated. I'm beginning to wonder if I should be on Linux so I can utilize all the cores. I'm still amzed at the fact that I have 8 cores used and 4 left over  Trouble is, I'm a complete Linux n00b and have no idea on where to start. Can one dual boot with Linux and Win 7?
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 19:57:02
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Sure you can dual boot. It's easiest if you install Windows first, because Linux is better at "sharing".
You could also start up a Windows SMP client with the remaining 4 cores in your current setup. It would be interesting to see what would happen.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 20:03:43
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Sure you can dual boot. It's easiest if you install Windows first, because Linux is better at "sharing".
You could also start up a Windows SMP client with the remaining 4 cores in your current setup. It would be interesting to see what would happen.
Hmm interesting, and the thought did cross my mind but would I necessarily want to do it that way?
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 20:09:59
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It wouldn't be as productive points-wise as bigadv 12 under native Linux, but it could be a short-term solution until you're ready for dual booting or completely switching to the Linux side. Dual booting and bigadv wouldn't really mix well anyway - you really don't want to stop a bigadv at all.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 20:13:37
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It wouldn't be as productive points-wise as bigadv 12 under native Linux, but it could be a short-term solution until you're ready for dual booting or completely switching to the Linux side. Dual booting and bigadv wouldn't really mix well anyway - you really don't want to stop a bigadv at all.
Good info, thanks. If I did do it, would be after a completion and would be the safest as you alluded to. About how much more bonus wise/points should I expect with 12 vs 8 under Linux? I have no problem converting this rig to a sole Linux system. I can always build one or two more 920 rigs.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 20:23:32
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Good info, thanks. If I did do it, would be after a completion and would be the safest as you alluded to. About how much more bonus wise/points should I expect with 12 vs 8 under Linux? I have no problem converting this rig to a sole Linux system. I can always build one or two more 920 rigs.
Just looking at data in the "top bigadv systems" on ff.org, it looks like an i7-920 at 4GHz gets around 30K ppd while an i7-980x at 4GHz (just to match speeds) gets about 43K ppd. YMMV.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/10 20:54:34
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Good info, thanks. If I did do it, would be after a completion and would be the safest as you alluded to. About how much more bonus wise/points should I expect with 12 vs 8 under Linux? I have no problem converting this rig to a sole Linux system. I can always build one or two more 920 rigs.
Just looking at data in the "top bigadv systems" on ff.org, it looks like an i7-920 at 4GHz gets around 30K ppd while an i7-980x at 4GHz (just to match speeds) gets about 43K ppd. YMMV.
Thanks Punchy. Right now I'm getting 33K below: 
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/13 12:12:19
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Hey LR, I'm using the 1.2 image and it's very stable! Many thanks to you once again!  I have two questions though: 1) Is there a command to make the hourly backups every two or three hours? 2) Why is it that the VM client is going asynchronous consistently? I mean it starts just fine then it gradually goes out of sync... Does it have anything to do with the hourly backups you think? Thanks!
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/13 12:25:03
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Hey LR, I'm using the 1.2 image and it's very stable! Many thanks to you once again!
I have two questions though:
1) Is there a command to make the hourly backups every two or three hours?
2) Why is it that the VM client is going asynchronous consistently? I mean it starts just fine then it gradually goes out of sync... Does it have anything to do with the hourly backups you think?
Thanks!
I use 1.2 also and think it's very stable. Does it backup by default?
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/13 12:31:53
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No, not by default, you have to select it in the web configuration. I'm pretty sure there is also a Linux command to enable it. I don't know if there is a command to change the backup frequency though and that was my question...
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/13 18:40:36
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Hey LR, I'm using the 1.2 image and it's very stable! Many thanks to you once again!
I have two questions though:
1) Is there a command to make the hourly backups every two or three hours?
2) Why is it that the VM client is going asynchronous consistently? I mean it starts just fine then it gradually goes out of sync... Does it have anything to do with the hourly backups you think?
Thanks!
To change the backup, you would need to do a bit of file editing. Run this command: crontab -e This will put you into nano editor which is fairly simple to use. The last line will start with 0 */1 * * * Change the 1 to 2 or 3. If you set to 2, then it will backup every 2 hours. Hit CTRL X to exit and hit Y to save. The time sync seems to be a common issue with VMware. If you enable NTPD in the web config, it sync the time with a NTP server every so often.
post edited by linuxrouter - 2010/04/13 18:41:37
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/13 19:34:15
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Great, thanks for this! Can I do the edit while running bigadv? Do I have to re-do the edit after a web config? Thanks again!
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/13 19:42:49
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Actually, you can enable ntpd through the console with this command:
chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd
/etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd start
You can edit the backup while running bigadv. Hit ALT+F2 to open a new console if needed and then after doing the edit, you can hit ALT+F1 to go back to the main console.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/15 12:50:02
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/15 14:16:53
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I hope that its ok I ask this here:
Do you think a HP DL 585 is capable of doing bigadvs in a timely manner?
4 of theses+16GB RAM
AMD Opteron™ Model 875 2.2GHz - 1MB L2 dual-core
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl585/specifications.html
It should be okay being that you will have 8-cores total (4x2). From what I have read, the Opteron's perform fairly well with -bigadv. One thing to keep in mind is that you will need a server version of Windows in order to support quad socket. Have you already bought this system or are you planning to buy it? If you have not bought it yet, there may be some other options to look at. AMD now has 8 and 12-core processors that are not that expensive.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/15 15:04:24
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My vmware has thrown a wobbly on the last wu. The frame times randonly started going to 1hour overnight and at times during the day even though nothing had changed on the pc, and based on that I was going to stuggle to get it in on time. So I thought, sod it, I'll close it down, do a few windows updates and the reboot involved might clear things with vmware and speed it up. Well surprise surprise, the back up would not load so I ended up having to start a new WU, but now the new WUs won't start either. I can't find a log file to print out, but it runs normally upto the "single vesicle in water, continuing from steps xxxxx" bit then it gives the line "Out of memory : kill process 1154 (mpiexec) score 40761 or a child killed process 1155 (FahCore_a2.exe) vsz:798284kB, anon-rss:470320kB, file-rss:7992kB" and it doesn't go any further. My memory for the Vmware is set to 6GB. Any ideas? EDITED - I might have sorted it by reinstalling it from scratch. I'll let you know.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/15 16:22:44
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The image keeps a history of up to five backups. You can revert to a previous one with this command:
fahcontrol restore 1
0 is the latest backup and 4 is the oldest.
I read on the folding forum that the single vesicle in water message might be some kind of bug with the core app, but I am not sure that anyone knows exactly what that error means.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/15 19:52:34
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It should be okay being that you will have 8-cores total (4x2). From what I have read, the Opteron's perform fairly well with -bigadv.
One thing to keep in mind is that you will need a server version of Windows in order to support quad socket.
Have you already bought this system or are you planning to buy it? If you have not bought it yet, there may be some other options to look at. AMD now has 8 and 12-core processors that are not that expensive.
I have it already, it has server 08 R2 installed (its my Ex-game server). I am mainly asking for the Chimp Challenge, but if the ppd is high enough to offset the power it takes to run it. I will keep it going (these bigsdv have me interested again)
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/15 20:00:55
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I have it already, it has server 08 R2 installed (its my Ex-game server). I am mainly asking for the Chimp Challenge, but if the ppd is high enough to offset the power it takes to run it. I will keep it going (these bigsdv have me interested again)
You can give it a try and see how it works out. I would be curious to see how the 8-core Opteron setup runs bigadv. You do have more than enough RAM. You will need around 4-4.5GB of memory available.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/16 11:50:32
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I've been trying to get my vmare to play nicer with my gpu clients, and tried Horvat's suggestion to edit and place these into the end of the Linux64_FAH.vmx file. Afterwards, I start it up and all it does from there on is restart in an endless loop asking for all of my data, user name, etc., what am I doing wrong?
priority.ungrabbed = "idle"
priority.grabbed = "idle"
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/16 11:55:48
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Did you put a space between the last original line of the text and the text you added?
It needs the gap.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/16 12:21:47
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Did you put a space between the last original line of the text and the text you added?
It needs the gap.
Yes always when I do this sort of thing. I waited to complete a WU at the time, for it to be sent and to grab another and that's when I stooped it and edited. I restart and all it does is go to the prompt looking for my info every time.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/16 12:45:38
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This might be a dumb question, but when you opened the file in notepad, edited , then saved, you did not save it as a notepad doc did you? That would be enough to screw it up too.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/16 13:04:26
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This might be a dumb question, but when you opened the file in notepad, edited , then saved, you did not save it as a notepad doc did you? That would be enough to screw it up too.
Not so dumb and no I did not. On a side note, my GPU clients are producing the proper PPD it would appear along with my bigadv. Thing is I use PriFinitty 2.39 and I don't see the vmware-vmx.exe file in the list, but all the other crap is in there and all is listed at "Normal" priority and is on all cores.
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/16 18:00:24
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i am having the following error when trying to run the VM? did I download the wrong VMplayer? This is on the above mentioned DL 585 server 
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Re:VMware 3.0 && bigadv folding
2010/04/16 18:13:11
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i am having the following error when trying to run the VM? did I download the wrong VMplayer?
This is on the above mentioned DL 585 server
You need to grab version 3.0.0. The latest 3.0.1 is limited to 4-cores.
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