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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/01/30 11:23:04
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hotwired linuxrouter thanks . rocking along at 28 min frames That is excellent TPF. What kind of system configuration do you have?
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/01/30 15:40:44
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built about a year ago and just droped in a new do. I think im going back to 4.2 and invest in some better mem,its just really quiet at 4.2 thought you might like a pic . works great cpu pll 1.8 qpi/vtt 1.35500 cpu vcore 1.350/1.264 load mem 1.6 just up the cpu to 1.4 vcore to get 4.4 and get ready for the heat need 1500 rpm on my set up 4.2 takes 600rpm was really cool to see the spikes . username= stats for folding cant wait to do them without a vm
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/01/30 21:02:20
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linuxrouter touche Hey guys! I got VMWare folding set up with BigAdv, but FahMon tells me I'm only getting 1277PPD out of it. So far, I've finished 2 WUs with it over a span of 12 hours, and the current WU looks like it is worth 470 points... and its 7 hours in. I've got it set up on 7 cores, affinity set to 0-6, and GPU folding on 7. This isn't normal, is it? Those are the new Core a3 work units. If you have a passkey setup and have completed 10-work units by the preferred deadline, then you should qualify for bonus points. The base point value is low on these work units, but the bonus points can be fairly high depending on processor and smp configuration. HFM will report work unit and PPD values including both the base and bonus points. Do you know what TPF you are getting and what project # you are running? No clue on either. I'll install HFM later tonight.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/01/30 21:05:49
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hotwired built about a year ago and just droped in a new do. I think im going back to 4.2 and invest in some better mem,its just really quiet at 4.2 thought you might like a pic . works great cpu pll 1.8 qpi/vtt 1.35500 cpu vcore 1.350/1.264 load mem 1.6 just up the cpu to 1.4 vcore to get 4.4 and get ready for the heat need 1500 rpm on my set up 4.2 takes 600rpm was really cool to see the spikes . username= stats for folding cant wait to do them without a vm Very nice work. 4.4 GHz stability with bigadv is excellent. In native Linux with 4.4 GHz, you should be able to see around 27min TPF and possibly a bit faster than that depending on the kernel and folding project.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/01/31 08:25:48
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touche linuxrouter touche Hey guys! I got VMWare folding set up with BigAdv, but FahMon tells me I'm only getting 1277PPD out of it. So far, I've finished 2 WUs with it over a span of 12 hours, and the current WU looks like it is worth 470 points... and its 7 hours in. I've got it set up on 7 cores, affinity set to 0-6, and GPU folding on 7. This isn't normal, is it? Those are the new Core a3 work units. If you have a passkey setup and have completed 10-work units by the preferred deadline, then you should qualify for bonus points. The base point value is low on these work units, but the bonus points can be fairly high depending on processor and smp configuration. HFM will report work unit and PPD values including both the base and bonus points. Do you know what TPF you are getting and what project # you are running? No clue on either. I'll install HFM later tonight. i7 smp 8 @4.2 mem at 1200 winsmp A3 core
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/01/31 17:46:48
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That looks great. I think the SMP2 work units have the potential to generate points on par with bigadv if the TPF is down below 2:00 min. I wonder if a dual socket i7 Xeon would do the trick. My i7 @ 3.8 GHz in Windows is getting 3:04 TPF with project 6014 and -smp 8.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/01/31 18:33:52
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its been interesting testing both with one machine . just amazing not a software snag one amazing. i so want to pair 920s and oc . evga (hint hint)
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/02 07:55:29
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The 1.1 has been crunching away great for me, however, I noticed there is a 20min pause between when it finishes the work unit and when it starts uploading it. The pause in question is in bold. The machine is an i7-860 @ 3.5ghz Here is the log file: [18:48:12] Completed 242500 out of 249999 steps (97%) [19:24:21] Completed 245000 out of 249999 steps (98%) [19:59:16] Completed 247500 out of 249999 steps (99%) [20:33:48] Completed 249999 out of 249999 steps (100%) [20:33:59] DynamicWrapper: Finished Work Unit: sleep=10000 [20:34:09] [20:34:09] Finished Work Unit: [20:34:09] - Reading up to 26272464 from "work/wudata_03.trr": Read 26272464 [20:34:09] trr file hash check passed. [20:34:09] - Reading up to 41982616 from "work/wudata_03.xtc": Read 41982616 [20:34:10] xtc file hash check passed. [20:34:10] edr file hash check passed. [20:34:10] logfile size: 206385 [20:34:10] Leaving Run [20:34:13] - Writing 68626121 bytes of core data to disk... [20:34:20] ... Done. [20:53:02] - Shutting down core [20:53:02] [20:53:02] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT [20:54:41] CoreStatus = 64 (100) [20:54:41] Sending work to server [20:54:41] Project: 2683 (Run 14, Clone 11, Gen 21) [20:54:41] + Attempting to send results [February 2 20:54:41 UTC] [21:19:54] + Results successfully sent [21:19:54] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home. Any ideas?
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/02 09:36:07
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moretorque06 The 1.1 has been crunching away great for me, however, I noticed there is a 20min pause between when it finishes the work unit and when it starts uploading it. The pause in question is in bold. The machine is an i7-860 @ 3.5ghz That is a fairly common issue with the bigadv work units that has been reported multiple times at foldingforum.org. I ended up switching to a new file system because of this issue. With the previous file system, the delay was as much as 1 hour. The only way I know of to minimize the delay is to use a Ramdisk. I run a Ramdisk on my bigadv systems. This is what my log shows: [13:48:23] - Writing 95957393 bytes of core data to disk... [13:48:26] ... Done. [13:48:26] - Shutting down core [13:48:26] [13:48:26] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT [13:51:44] CoreStatus = 64 (100) [13:51:44] Sending work to server [13:51:44] Project: 2681 (Run 4, Clone 11, Gen 70) If I can find a file system that will further improve the performance with the folding client, I will look into switching to it.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/02 10:29:17
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A feedback: the smp2 seems to like declaring as many cores as you'd be using for folding. If you declare 4 cores in the VM and disable the cores using the affinity switches and use "-smp 4" the TPF is awful; more than 28 minutes on 6020. If you use "-smp 2", TPF is much better; more than 12 minutes on 6020. The best I found was to declare 2 cores in the VM and use "-smp 2"; then TPF is less than 11 minutes on 6020... Oh, I'm using image 1.1...
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/02 19:10:37
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theGryphon A feedback: the smp2 seems to like declaring as many cores as you'd be using for folding. If you declare 4 cores in the VM and disable the cores using the affinity switches and use "-smp 4" the TPF is awful; more than 28 minutes on 6020. If you use "-smp 2", TPF is much better; more than 12 minutes on 6020. The best I found was to declare 2 cores in the VM and use "-smp 2"; then TPF is less than 11 minutes on 6020... Oh, I'm using image 1.1... Thanks for the feedback. I have been considering adding in several VMX files to cover the various processor configurations.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 17:41:27
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LR or anybody, I switched two of my dual core Notfreds to the full blown LR Version newest Dev (6.29) PPD is terrible using verbosity 7 and -smp 2 have tried mpih on and off...doesn't seem to be any difference Quads seem to be rockin, but duals are suckin' mud Is this just a new fact of life ?
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 18:13:23
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What PPD are you getting? What clocks? I'm getting around 2200 PPD on a3 WU's on two cores of my Q6600 OC'ed to 3.7GHz. That's exactly what I was getting with notfred's image. See my feedback at #520 above. LR's 1.1 image likes that you declare 2 cores at VM, if you didn't do so already...
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 18:15:26
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leftygof LR or anybody, I switched two of my dual core Notfreds to the full blown LR Version newest Dev (6.29) PPD is terrible using verbosity 7 and -smp 2 have tried mpih on and off...doesn't seem to be any difference Quads seem to be rockin, but duals are suckin' mud Is this just a new fact of life ? Can you tell which work unit it picked up? If it is the newer SMP2 ones, then the PPD may be less depending on frequency. The advmethods is what will allow for download of SMP2 work. MPICH only affects Core a1/a2 work units.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 18:21:36
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A general semi-offtopic question: what is the strategy for upcoming Gulftowns? As far as I understand the VM will not work with more than 8 cores. So is native Linux the only way?
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 18:26:37
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I guess that's just the difference are the newer a3 units which is why notfred's was a little higher...nevermind
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 18:33:30
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leftygof I guess that's just the difference are the newer a3 units which is why notfred's was a little higher...nevermind If you have the latest version of HFM.NET, it should show the PPD including bonus points. The PPD may still be less than the a2 work units though. From what I have read, the overclocked dual-cores at 3.8GHz + see higher PPD than the a2 work units. However, on my 2.0 GHz dual-core, PPD is less than the a2 WU. Otherwise if you uncheck advmethods and check MPICH_NO_LOCAL options in the web config, you should be able to pickup a2 work after finishing the current unit.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 18:38:16
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braindancer A general semi-offtopic question: what is the strategy for upcoming Gulftowns? As far as I understand the VM will not work with more than 8 cores. So is native Linux the only way? Unfortunately VMware is still limited to 8-cores. I hope they will increase the core limit with the next release. The kernel in the image is built for up to 32-processors so if VMware increases the limit, then the image should be able to handle it. I just need to add some extra options in the web core pull-down menu to accommodate extra processors. Another option may be to run -smp 8 in VMware and then an extra SMP2 work unit via the Windows client.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 18:38:56
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Do you think enabling MPICH_NO_LOCAL has an adverse effect on a3 WUs? Edit: Hey I've got a lot of 9's going on, lol...
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/05 19:29:55
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theGryphon Do you think enabling MPICH_NO_LOCAL has an adverse effect on a3 WUs? Edit: Hey I've got a lot of 9's going on, lol... It should not affect the a3's since the new core is threaded and does not use MPICH. However, it should give a decent boost in PPD for the a2 work units. My TPF improved around 1:30 with this option via my dual-core.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/07 00:39:01
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Hey LR on HFM my credit is showing NaN ???? wth?? is this correct? it is showing project P6024 GRO-A3 core but the credit is NaN I edited your 1.1 image to run on @6600 4 cores and memory used. It download a A3 wu, and it is showing folding on VM and HFM just the credit is NaN Thanks LR WB
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/07 01:12:56
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wb488641 Hey LR on HFM my credit is showing NaN ???? wth?? is this correct? it is showing project P6024 GRO-A3 core but the credit is NaN I edited your 1.1 image to run on @6600 4 cores and memory used. It download a A3 wu, and it is showing folding on VM and HFM just the credit is NaN Thanks LR WB Hey WB, Try unchecking the virtual machine option in the HFM client config. This option caused some issues with my VM monitoring via HFM.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/07 01:18:25
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linuxrouter wb488641 Hey LR on HFM my credit is showing NaN ???? wth?? is this correct? it is showing project P6024 GRO-A3 core but the credit is NaN I edited your 1.1 image to run on @6600 4 cores and memory used. It download a A3 wu, and it is showing folding on VM and HFM just the credit is NaN Thanks LR WB Hey WB, Try unchecking the virtual machine option in the HFM client config. This option caused some issues with my VM monitoring via HFM. sweet that did the trick! thanks
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/07 09:27:59
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wb I have to do that every once in a while,,,,I don't really know why to be honest maybe a network thing
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/07 18:00:12
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leftygof wb I have to do that every once in a while,,,,I don't really know why to be honest maybe a network thing thanks, that is good to know. i don't like the A3 core.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/09 05:47:17
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So I am running an E8400@3.73Ghz. I have been using notfreds, but I wonder if I would see a benefit from changing over to bigadv. Any suggestions?
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/09 09:41:57
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farinhir So I am running an E8400@3.73Ghz. I have been using notfreds, but I wonder if I would see a benefit from changing over to bigadv. Any suggestions? To run -bigadv, you need an 8-core capable setup. An overclocked i7 or dual quad works well for -bigadv. With the dual core, you have the option to run either the regular core A2 work units worth 1920 points or run the new beta SMP2 work units.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/09 19:23:37
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I thought I had read somewhere that people were running them on less. overclock.net How to only run regular 1920 point units. This image can also be used to run the regular sized 1920 pointt Core A2 units with this command. This is also recommended for the first 10 work units to meet the bonus point requirement. ./fah6 -smp 8 Change "8" to however many cores you plan to run the client on. For example you can run the -smp 4 flag for quad core cpus and -smp 2 for duals. Warning: If you had a work unit running with x amount of threads and after rebooting the vm you change it, it will lose the wu. This is why I was asking and wondering. Source
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/09 20:18:42
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You can set the -smp flag to lower values, but that applies to the smaller work units such as the 1920-pt core a2 and SMP2 work units. However, the -bigadv work units are much larger. These work units have a deadline of 4-days and it takes 2-3 days to complete with an overclocked i7 on average. It is possible to run bigadv with -smp 7 and still meet the deadline with an i7. If you want, you can enable advmethods and set the number of cores to 2. With this, you should be able to get SMP2 work provided that some work is available. The SMP2 work qualifies for bonus points like the -bigadv work units.
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Re:VMWare 3.0 && bigadv folding (Image available for testing)
2010/02/10 03:02:06
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Ok, I was thinking it would be the lower level (non-bigadv) WUs that I would be able to do. The question is, with my current setup (E8400@ 3.73Ghz), would it be worth me changing over from notfred's client, or will I just be shooting myself in the foot? Thanks in advance for the help.
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