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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/15 20:19:49 (permalink)
Hey Maniac, do you think you could post a screen shot of your Windows Task Manager "Processes" tab looks like when you are running BF3, I think it would be a great help to myself and others to see what they can disable while in game 
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/15 21:52:58 (permalink)
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Hey Maniac, do you think you could post a screen shot of your Windows Task Manager "Processes" tab looks like when you are running BF3, I think it would be a great help to myself and others to see what they can disable while in game 


Thats a tricky question, as each users hardware config is different, including installed applications and attached devices.
 
The "general" rule is the less you have running on a clean boot to the desktop, the more system resources are available for whatever you choose to launch (like BF3) 

 
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/15 22:55:49 (permalink)
Ok, I thought about it and I am going to post up the screenshots
 
*warning disclaimer: this is my personal setup for two of my OS configs and is NOT to be used as a guide for what users should or should not be running.
 
At this time I am testing a NDA project on my ultra MAX performance SSD setup with a custom services/process config. This install has nothing but Afterburner, Fraps and the "testing" install. 
*due to the nature of the testing, there are 3 processes running that are not normally present 
That boot to desktop looks like THIS

 
I am currently running BF3 on one of my "working" OS installs. This includes many large installed applications, including MSOffice, AdobeCS5, different games.. Etc. The services/processes list is almost stock for my config.
That boot to desktop looks like THIS 

 
Here is what the list looks like with ORIGIN running and logged into Battlelog

 
And here is the final screenshot completely loaded into BF3 MULTI and running the game. 
 
 
Total running loads can be seen in the screenshot
Shes using about 30% of the CPU and under 3gigs of RAM total system load standing in the spawn

Here is the running BF3.exe loading (from the screenshot above) at 30% CPU overhead, nominal 1.2gig RAM load. 

 
And here is the CPU idle cycles (free overhead) at 69%
*this is THE important number. The more "free" horsepower available the better the game will run 
 
 
Here are the personal settings I use for playing BF3 multiplayer (SLI 1.5gig 580's) 

 
Here is the GPU use graph and temps (285.79)

 
Here is the VRAM use (with my settings listed above)
*note: the dips shown are from ctrl/alt/del to take screenshots 

 
And here is the (in-game) performance graph

 
 
   

 

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/16 01:25:13 (permalink)
You really only use IE? Not firefox or Opera? Interesting review. This may help!
 
As for System IDLE is lower better?

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/16 01:50:51 (permalink)
I use IE8 (fully updated) for Origin/battlelog...
and a older version of Flash (the combo I find most stable, and least prone to issues)
* I am oldschool, if its not broke.. there is no reason to look for problems, and IE9, Chrome and Firefox all have issues  
 
And no---> higher CPU idle percentage numbers are better 
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/16 02:34:42 (permalink)
PURE FREAKING AWESOME MAN. You give so much back to the community. Thank you very much, again.
 
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/16 13:53:04 (permalink)
Surprise you say IE 8 is quite good. I'm a firefox guy and i never have problems. Not to mention Firefox now has less memory resource problems and it's fixed. Also it's quite fast for me. And it has privacy features you can launch. Hmph maybe next year i'll tool around with IE8 but for now i'm ok with Firefox.

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/16 23:24:02 (permalink)
I didnt say IE8 was "quite good"
I said that since the BF3 alpha testing IE8 has been the most stable, problem free and best supported browser for battlelog.
Other than that, IE8 is a dinosaur... 




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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/17 05:37:33 (permalink)
I overclocked de gpu to 850 and it seems that it fix the micro stutter here and there a bittttt...


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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/17 06:57:04 (permalink)
Nope still crap stutter.
 
I m rma my motherboard this week really last chance i give it. If i dont get a new motherboard i swear i will sell my pc. Man my whole gamingfeelings ruined just ruined!


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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/17 17:34:31 (permalink)
Thanks for the guide it really helped as I've got a similar setup to yourself - especially the motion blur part; it was hampering my ability to get kills alot. Only really started to play BF3 (been playing Skyrim for the past 2 months ) and the things that are annoying me the most are the fact you can't bind commands to the mouse and that I haven't used a joystick in years!

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/18 03:34:33 (permalink)
Is it just me or do i really see your fan as a intake on that avatar? You should be using it as a exhaust cuz heat rises from your video card. You're creating a negative pressure in the middle of the case. If you have a top fan and front fan as intake then i still recommend your fans to be exhaust if you want your motherboard not to suffer the heat load off that video card.

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/18 09:48:56 (permalink)
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Is it just me or do i really see your fan as a intake on that avatar? You should be using it as a exhaust cuz heat rises from your video card. You're creating a negative pressure in the middle of the case. If you have a top fan and front fan as intake then i still recommend your fans to be exhaust if you want your motherboard not to suffer the heat load off that video card.

 
Correct, the fan you see is an intake. The top two fans in my case are exhausts, the frontal front is an intake and, like you see, the fan mounted on the side of the case in an intake. Like you say, heat does rise and thats why my top two fans are used as exhausts and not intakes. As for the video cards, most of the heat is exhausted out of the rear and thats why I'm using the side fan as an intake (and to cool other components).

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/19 16:03:51 (permalink)
Even if you have a top exhaust i still think you're causing air pressure for having intake on that rear case. I would have it regulated as a proper flow when it travels like that. You're just creating a pressure in the middle. I just think you're better off as exhaust but meh if it works well for you then good i suppose. You should read www.overclock.net Hydro cooler H50/H80 threads. They actually have some rewarding results on changing it to exhaust. Some did intake but mostly some did exhaust. Even mods.

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/21 10:57:53 (permalink)
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/21 13:47:11 (permalink)
 
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When issues become overwhelming and you have changed so many things you cant even remember them all.....

Its ground zero

Flash your MB BIOS to the latest version, Secure erase your SSD and start fresh.
Keep in mind that you have made somekind of error in the past with how you did things on your original config and OS install, and attempt to avoid repeating it.

There is no quick fix, no easy way out of your issues.

Properly setup your config for a -CLEAN- OS reinstall.
do NOT do it like you did last time...
With a updated BIOS and a Secure Erased SSSD, all your MB's latest drivers downloaded and burned (along with Nvidia driver)... do a fresh OS install with AHCI set in the BIOS (without being connected to the internet), install your MB drivers from the disk your burned and 285.79
Do NOT install any other drivers or allow Windows to install anything, do it manually. Only after the MB/chipset and Graphics drivers are installed (do NOT install any MB software that is "optional" like monitoring, overclocking, updating or any other extra junk not releated to the chipset, onboard audio, LAN or SATA drivers), connect to the internet and set Windows Update to "let me choose to download and install" and the -only- do Critical security Updates, do NOT install -any- optional or recommended updates whatsoever.
Once the OS is patched, use 3DMark11 and the Heaven Benchmarks to test, install ONLY Afterburner 2.2.0 beta 9 for monitoring and NOTHING else.

*Make -zero- changes to the default install of Windows, except for the Windows Update setting
Not even setting a screensaver... do NOT change ANYTHING. 

*Do NOT make ANY changes in the BIOS or Overclock ANYTHING whatsoever, except to verifiy RAM volatge and timings, set AHCI before loading the OS and pointing to the Boot drive

Do NOT install any keyboard, mouse or any AV program... do NOT install anything else whatsoever for primary testing.

You must avoid recreating whatever issues you had in the past.

After PRIMARY testing is done, you may than ONLY install your mouse driver (downloaded latest version) and then -ONLY- install the ORIGIN client/Battlelog plugins and BF3 for further testing.

Do NOT install ANYTHING else. Most important is to NOT install STEAM until PRIMARY and BF3 testing is complete.



Hi Maniac, i did this. The scores i did get from 3dMark:
 
Score:
P6325 3DMarks
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2391573  
The test was not on 1920x1080 because you need to pay for that.
 
Score of Heaven:

Powered by Unigine Engine

Heaven Benchmark v2.5 Basic

FPS: 47.0
Scores: 1183
Min FPS: 11.1
Max FPS: 109.3

Settings

Render: direct3d11
Mode: 1920x1080 2xAA fullscreen
Shaders: high
Textures: high
Filter: trilinear
Anisotropy: 4x
Occlusion: enabled
Refraction: enabled
Volumetric: enabled
Tessellation: normal





Now i am installing BF3 but what u say about the scores?


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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/22 06:14:34 (permalink)
Edit: Turned off hyperthreading (forgot yesterday) and clocked the cpu to 4.5Ghz. I do get now a score of: P6752 3DMarks
 
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2395682
 
What u say about this dear Maniac?


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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/22 08:18:40 (permalink)
Maniac have you done any testing on the other new beta drivers? Is it worth it or stay with the current beta drivers instead of the newest one? I'm still waiting for WHQL however.

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/22 08:53:16 (permalink)
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Edit: Turned off hyperthreading (forgot yesterday) and clocked the cpu to 4.5Ghz. I do get now a score of: P6752 3DMarks

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2395682

What u say about this dear Maniac?


Your score is in line with the correct performance
I urge you to not make adjustments and simply "monitor" your videocard performance, for the issues that have caused you concern in the past.
Lets see what happens in BF3, and remember--> write down ANY changes you make from stock (including the "original" values -and- what you changed that value to) this way you dont create a issue without being able to look at your notes for changes.




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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/22 09:00:04 (permalink)
gamernut78

Maniac have you done any testing on the other new beta drivers? Is it worth it or stay with the current beta drivers instead of the newest one? I'm still waiting for WHQL however.


290.53 would not install correctly on my x58 system with dual SLI 580's
 
I have returned to 285.79, but it appears that the 290.53 has somehow changed my systems booting behavior.
I am quite upset that Nvidia has decided its going to play "games" with its drivers, as it now appears that Nvidia is doing something "online" during install that its NOT telling users about.
 
This is the first time ever, that following correct uninstall/install proceedure I have not been able to returm my system to its previous state.  




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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/22 09:01:04 (permalink)
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Fiko0

Edit: Turned off hyperthreading (forgot yesterday) and clocked the cpu to 4.5Ghz. I do get now a score of: P6752 3DMarks

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2395682

What u say about this dear Maniac?


Your score is in line with the correct performance
I urge you to not make adjustments and simply "monitor" your videocard performance, for the issues that have caused you concern in the past.
Lets see what happens in BF3, and remember--> write down ANY changes you make from stock (including the "original" values -and- what you changed that value to) this way you dont create a issue without being able to look at your notes for changes.

 
Performance seems to be better now Maniac
 
I have now a new score!! P7101 3DMarks
 
Overclocked the card to 850 combined with 4.4 Ghz. Must be good!!
 
Now i leave everything and just gonna play bf3. Maybe the reason of that micro stutter while dust appears is of my monitor..
 
I have many times tearing because of my monitor. But must get use to it.. 120Hz would be much more experience but no money left.


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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/24 08:03:07 (permalink)
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/27 11:05:59 (permalink)
Maniac this screws for your second review! Are you just waiting on the WHQL drivers?

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/27 14:12:45 (permalink)
Should I turn on or off Hyper threading? 
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/27 16:32:13 (permalink)
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Should I turn on or off Hyper threading? 
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curently on beta 290.53 btw there was no problem when instaling them Mr maniac. And one more think THANK U FOR LOVELY GUIDE!


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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/27 16:34:12 (permalink)
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Maniac this screws for your second review! Are you just waiting on the WHQL drivers?


Dice/Ea keep making changes and the 290.xx signed driver (with Frame limiter) is still unreleased.




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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/28 13:02:48 (permalink)
tell dice and nivida get off their respect asses, I'd like to thank you for this guide.   I'm running a nice rig specs in profile and there's no damn reason two evga 560 ti ftw shouldn't pwn this game.
 
Then again I wish I had just waited another 3 weeks an got the 590, but that's me having to play ultra right now for you.

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/28 14:40:35 (permalink)
As far as Vram is concerned, is the MSAA or Textures on Ultra more intensive?
 
Also, I don't know if this is just me, but when I zoomed in with scopes the entire world looks as though I just set all the settings to the lowest possible - this only happens when the backdrop is a grassy environment with trees.

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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/28 17:59:59 (permalink)
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As far as Vram is concerned, is the MSAA or Textures on Ultra more intensive?

Also, I don't know if this is just me, but when I zoomed in with scopes the entire world looks as though I just set all the settings to the lowest possible - this only happens when the backdrop is a grassy environment with trees.

 
MSAA uses more memory, Ultra textures will cause more streaming...
 
If its looking like you describe when "zooming" with the scope, then you might have the wrong NVCP values set.
Check my guide's NVCP settings screenshot and make sure they ALL match 


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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide 2011/12/29 00:46:35 (permalink)
Thanks for great guide maniac, just quick question is the best driver to use still 285.79 beta?
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