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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 07:16:59
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The 120fps showing in your BF3 Menu was -correct- Because you had the 3D setting "checked" in the NVCP the monitor was driving 120hz at 60L/60R as that is that settings function (the tip off is the GPU usage).... I am very pleased with your comments about how happy you are with your performance  Now if they would just hurry up with the Karkand DLC and the patch, maybe I could start on finishing my guide and updating the Pic's 
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 07:24:03
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Ok well its good to know that even in 2D with the Stereo 3D setting checked on it will force it to 120fps to match 120HZ, im just going to leave it off as a saw a hit in performance, (not utilizing my GPUs enough) from 63-87 with it ON and 110-140 with it off lol. Im actually shocked that it would do that even when your not using 3D and that settings is checked, why would it cap you off at 120 while in 2d mode I understand in 3D it would be as you said 60frames for left and right eye making 120 total. But in 2D with setting checked on it still caps you? Is it like a standby fuction lol?
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 08:28:57
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I dont think its capping in the driver, I "guess" its coming from the Menu itself when that NVCP option is ON.....
I do not have a 120hz monitor to test with, but that would be my thinking.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 14:05:57
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You still haven't answered my question lol.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 14:16:47
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OK i'm back to report something i didn't even know. My preset actually had NO AA on at all and SSAO on and Motion Blur was on. Weird? I didn't pay attention til i actually realized that. Textures are on ULTRA and everything else medium. So what i did now is set to custom and left everything on and AA is off and i set Motion Blur off and my AF was previously set x8 so i pushed it to x16 and NO ssao and hbao. Such a shame really cuz i like HBAO or SSAO. Shouldn't i be ok to play all ultra or some should be HIGH like shadows and Post Processing?
Choose the "High" preset, save changes and resume into the game... Hit escape and bring up the Video options Make sure "Texture Quality" is set to HIGH Make sure "Deferred Antialising" is set to OFF Make sure "Motion Blur" is set to OFF Make sure "Ambiant Occlusion" is set to OFF Save the changes, and resume the game.... then EXIT and QUIT the game completly. Restart for the changes you made to take effect.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 14:45:00
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The manage 3D settings you adjusted and recommend, have you tested this to be the best performance ect. would it be fine to leave that way for all games ect.
For 3-way SLI I would recommend the stock setting of "frames to render ahead" value of 3
*there is no damage in testing values. I would certainly test 2, 3 and 4 and see what works best for your config.
I was also wondering about "frames to render ahead".
What exactly does this do? Ii mean why do you recommend 2 opposed to the stock 3?
I looked through this thread, and i hope i didn't miss it somewhere but i would like a detailed description of what this actually does and how i can use it for max performance in other games as well.
Im running a simple basic setup with one card and one monitor. Im just wondering what the overall effect it has on gaming is and what kind of performance issues it can help out with.
Thanks :)
A users CPU "renders" the math for each frame, then sends that data to the videocard to be displayed.
In DirectX supported games (not open GL) the "Render Ahead" feature is the setting for how many frames the CPU is working on at the same time.
Since todays computers are very powerful and quite fast, turning the setting down from its default value of (3) to the setting of (2) has visable positive mouse/keyboard effects in-game... and can free up CPU cycles and thus improve performance.
Higher values in this setting (above 3) "can" result in smoother looking gameplay, but at a large cost in input lag....
Lower values (below 3) "can" decrease observed mouse and keyboard lag in game and free CPU cycles....
--->The setting of Zero should never be used as it impacts performance greatly.
I have found that for just about every config but tri/quad-SLI...
--->the frostbite engine runs best with this setting at a value of 2
This is a subjective judgement based on my experience, and is NOT gospel for all users and configs.
I do suggest the value of 2 for best gameplay performance in BF3
But users may certainly test this setting for what works best for them
Thank you very much for the very detailed description, if i have any more specific GPU/CPU performance related questions, i will ask you if you don't mind lol
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 14:49:02
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gamernut78 It's nice to learn something new isn't it? :D Yes it is, i love learning about CPU/GPU performance and how it affects certain games. Also who is that chick in your avatar, holy smokes!
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 21:39:33
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Why set them to high? I like Ultra on texture settings. The other settings are on medium yes. Wouldn't this bring down less frame rates or what? I get fine framerates on my GTX 560Ti Classified. This card performs better than a GTX 570 and pair up to 580s you know? Sorry i got a lil confused why you want me raise them to HIGH even if Ultra is on texture but the others aren't not. Wouldn't i be dropping framerates? After all the system chose those preset settings. I do have SSAO off but sometimes i like HBAO or SSAO from time to time but i do have them off just to have nicer frame rates and it still performs with them on but a little loss of 2 fps that's all. 
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/12 23:47:44
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Why set them to high? I like Ultra on texture settings. The other settings are on medium yes. Wouldn't this bring down less frame rates or what? I get fine framerates on my GTX 560Ti Classified. This card performs better than a GTX 570 and pair up to 580s you know?
Sorry i got a lil confused why you want me raise them to HIGH even if Ultra is on texture but the others aren't not. Wouldn't i be dropping framerates? After all the system chose those preset settings. I do have SSAO off but sometimes i like HBAO or SSAO from time to time but i do have them off just to have nicer frame rates and it still performs with them on but a little loss of 2 fps that's all.
your config i5 760 2.89ghz (Non-HT QUAD) 8 gigs of ram 1T Western Digital Black GTX 560 Ti Classified 1280mb of VRAM ASUS V248H Monitor I posted the -exact- settings I would use for the above config, for best quality and framerates.  My guide explains "why" I suggested what I did and what the results would be. ULTRA texture quality is NOT about quality, its the amount of the texture pool size and is NOT always the best choice for quality gameplay. In your case with a non-HT Quad at 2.8ghz and a 1280mb VRAM videocard, the ULTRA setting should not be used, and you certainly wont see any "quality" difference except for an increase in framerates and more overhead to spend elsewhere .... You asked for my suggestions as to what I feel are the "best" choices given your hardware's performance levels. *these settings should almost double your min framerate with very little quality cost.   As always, everyones feelings about what they like in performance and quality is different... Please feel free to experiment with the settings, to find works best for YOU. But if I had your config, the settings posted are what "I" would be using in Multiplayer
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/13 01:14:43
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Gotcha, will do a experiment.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/13 04:28:44
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B2K came out and i demand a test performance review please! :D I have been hearing fps drops and changes in B2K cuz it seems to take more than the original BF3. Likely perhaps it's because it has more stuff or bigger map? I await results eagerly!
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/13 09:50:46
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Yes, increased destruction in the Karkand maps is going to really hurt users performance with less than ideal CPU horsepower... There is also a "signed" Nvidia driver comming... This DLC and the Nvidia driver are what I have been waiting for... And my guide, settings (and pics) will be getting updated after the dust has settled... The Karkand DLC launch appears to have enhanced issues that some users were having. Due to the problems EA appears to be doing a quickie fix, we will have to see what EA's quick re-patch does.... These "quickies" always are very problematic since they are untested, and often break more things than they fix. Today promises to be interesting, if not frustrating. It remains to be seen if it will go to the "hair pulling" stage  *Important note: Due to the EA Auth server issues, do NOT attempt to change or reset your EA login details. Just wait, if you do try and login.. simply do not check the "remember me" box until you are certain everything is back up. This will avoid the known issues of a "failed" login loop.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/13 15:06:16
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maniac, getting pretty much stutter at new maps. What u think?
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/13 17:37:57
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Yea i notice strange fps drops in some areas and some stay the same like regular maps. You're right. I await for your testing!
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/13 19:40:44
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No issues here. But I will read whatever maniac writes! :)
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/13 23:02:10
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I have no stutters but i do see skipping delay for a short time in some areas especially when you start but it works out just fine. original BF3 maps are just fine but in B2K that's a different story. I wonder if Dice is working on this. I do know they said they are still doing maintenance on the game as announced in battlelog front page. Could be that too. Still would like an review anyways and i really can't wait for the WHQL drivers to really come out. Don't really wanna use the beta drivers anymore.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/14 03:06:35
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im not sure if this was asked, but why change the render from 3 to 2? what does that accomplish? ficko...i noticed low FPS but no stutters. im running the 580 3gb. got to 44fps. was kinda scared too
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/14 10:54:22
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Look upper comments, he explained why there is a render frame change in the first place and what does that accomplish? I honestly am a little wary in that area too because it does make me wonder if we all should go back and i still think rendering ahead helps but isn't this a possible culprit in B2K? Just a theory. Have no ideas what they may have changed in the patch that can effect the current settings we use in NV.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/14 11:51:35
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why never my games on multiplayer run smooth.. there is always some micro stutter pff.. I think really my card is just broke. Something with the v ram dunno.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/14 13:49:56
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SO far b2K is runniing fine for me, i do notice a decrease in fps, but when i was getting 120 in normal bf 90 is ok now lol.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/14 14:45:38
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im not sure if this was asked, but why change the render from 3 to 2? what does that accomplish? ficko...i noticed low FPS but no stutters. im running the 580 3gb. got to 44fps. was kinda scared too
A users CPU "renders" the math for each frame, then sends that data to the videocard to be displayed. In DirectX supported games (not open GL) the "Render Ahead" feature is the setting for how many frames the CPU is working on at the same time. Since todays computers are very powerful and quite fast, turning the setting down from its default value of (3) to the setting of (2) has visable positive mouse/keyboard effects in-game... and can free up CPU cycles and thus improve performance. Higher values in this setting (above 3) "can" result in smoother looking gameplay, but at a large cost in input lag.... Lower values (below 3) "can" decrease observed mouse and keyboard lag in game and free CPU cycles.... --->The setting of Zero should never be used as it impacts performance greatly. I have found that for just about every config but tri/quad-SLI... --->the frostbite engine runs best with this setting at a value of 2 This is a subjective judgement based on my experience, and is NOT gospel for all users and configs. I do suggest the value of 2 for best gameplay performance in BF3 But users may certainly test this setting for what works best for them
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/14 16:06:02
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NICE!!! that clears alot of things up. i have to try this set up because it was late last night. I'll give it a go. thank you very much for explaining it for me +2!
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/15 04:48:35
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Maniac can u confirm that the new mappacks needs new drivers for better performance?
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/15 08:01:03
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Maniac can u confirm that the new mappacks needs new drivers for better performance?
This is incorrect The B2K maps are running fine with current drivers. The cause for the "change" in performance in the map packs is the "Enhanced Destruction" that has been added. This causes a large increase in CPU overhead and Mesh density that cannot be avoided, and a corresponding FPS drop.... Users with less than ideal CPU's, users with CPU/GPU bottlenecks and users with existing issues, will all see issues with problems in streamming, FPS and performance levels.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/15 08:52:52
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The only time when my fps drops is when I am flying over the middle part (the city) on the gulf of omen
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/15 11:34:11
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Maniac can u confirm that the new mappacks needs new drivers for better performance?
This is incorrect
The B2K maps are running fine with current drivers.
The cause for the "change" in performance in the map packs is the "Enhanced Destruction" that has been added.
This causes a large increase in CPU overhead and Mesh density that cannot be avoided, and a corresponding FPS drop....
Users with less than ideal CPU's, users with CPU/GPU bottlenecks and users with existing issues, will all see issues with problems in streamming, FPS and performance levels.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/15 12:11:44
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When issues become overwhelming and you have changed so many things you cant even remember them all..... Its ground zero Flash your MB BIOS to the latest version, Secure erase your SSD and start fresh. Keep in mind that you have made somekind of error in the past with how you did things on your original config and OS install, and attempt to avoid repeating it. There is no quick fix, no easy way out of your issues. Properly setup your config for a -CLEAN- OS reinstall. do NOT do it like you did last time... With a updated BIOS and a Secure Erased SSSD, all your MB's latest drivers downloaded and burned (along with Nvidia driver)... do a fresh OS install with AHCI set in the BIOS (without being connected to the internet), install your MB drivers from the disk your burned and 285.79 Do NOT install any other drivers or allow Windows to install anything, do it manually. Only after the MB/chipset and Graphics drivers are installed (do NOT install any MB software that is "optional" like monitoring, overclocking, updating or any other extra junk not releated to the chipset, onboard audio, LAN or SATA drivers), connect to the internet and set Windows Update to "let me choose to download and install" and the -only- do Critical security Updates, do NOT install -any- optional or recommended updates whatsoever. Once the OS is patched, use 3DMark11 and the Heaven Benchmarks to test, install ONLY Afterburner 2.2.0 beta 9 for monitoring and NOTHING else. *Make -zero- changes to the default install of Windows, except for the Windows Update setting Not even setting a screensaver... do NOT change ANYTHING. *Do NOT make ANY changes in the BIOS or Overclock ANYTHING whatsoever, except to verifiy RAM volatge and timings, set AHCI before loading the OS and pointing to the Boot drive Do NOT install any keyboard, mouse or any AV program... do NOT install anything else whatsoever for primary testing. You must avoid recreating whatever issues you had in the past. After PRIMARY testing is done, you may than ONLY install your mouse driver (downloaded latest version) and then -ONLY- install the ORIGIN client/Battlelog plugins and BF3 for further testing. Do NOT install ANYTHING else. Most important is to NOT install STEAM until PRIMARY and BF3 testing is complete.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/15 13:39:40
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Maniac i respect you for your long post and the time you put in. I did already so many fresh installs including secure erase ssd etc. I have now even a new sata disk and my ssd as seocnd disk where only the game is on..
I have zero junk software nothing.. Only afterburner origin. You know the stutter issue of my at bfbc2?? When after 10 minutes smooth gaming that i did get micro stutter.. Since than i have that problem. My whole system was fresh and intsalled the OS correctly..
After while i flashed the bios in bios it self and i am a bit sure that things did get wrong. After the flash i get weird beep sounds when starting the pc..
I showed my problem to the webshop to where i bought my stuff and they recommend me to make a rma so they can check the motherboard out. Maybe something is wrong with my videocard to i dont know.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/15 15:00:15
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If you use a i7 i bet it's hyperthreading unless Dice already addressed that. Something i read long ago. I still await for new drivers. I also hope a patch too to fix the small fps drops in some areas but has been running smooth. I just find it odd it performs differently than original maps. I bet maniac was right. Destructive debris plays a role.
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Re:Ultimate Battlefield 3 Guide
2011/12/15 15:17:42
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Maniac i respect you for your long post and the time you put in. I did already so many fresh installs including secure erase ssd etc. I have now even a new sata disk and my ssd as seocnd disk where only the game is on..
I have zero junk software nothing.. Only afterburner origin. You know the stutter issue of my at bfbc2?? When after 10 minutes smooth gaming that i did get micro stutter.. Since than i have that problem. My whole system was fresh and intsalled the OS correctly..
After while i flashed the bios in bios it self and i am a bit sure that things did get wrong. After the flash i get weird beep sounds when starting the pc..
I showed my problem to the webshop to where i bought my stuff and they recommend me to make a rma so they can check the motherboard out. Maybe something is wrong with my videocard to i dont know.
Unknown beeping sounds when booting up is unacceptable, only the orignal single post beep should be heard. If its a "bought" system and under warrenty, return it and dont leave the store with it, until you have tested it THERE and its working properly
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