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2015/04/27 16:33:43 (permalink)
I swapped out my EVGA Triple SLI GTX 780Ti SC setup for EVGA Triple SLI SC Titan X's.  I am running triple ASUS ROG Swift screens.   The machine has plenty of cooling, as I'm using an Ascensions MountainMod case with 21 Noctua fans.  The TDP profile is the same between my old GTX 780 Ti's vs these Titan X's, so the thermal footprint has not changed.   The cards never get over 75C as I run the fans at 100% at all times.  Noise is not a concern for me since I wear headphones when I game.   I've been fighting random locks and crashes and can only narrow it down to being an issue with Triple SLI and not bad hardware.   I can run any of the TitanX's in double SLI or single card without any issues.  
 
In Triple SLI, there are some very odd things that happen.   For instance, when running MSI Kombustor, the app can only spin up one of 3 cards.
 
h t t p://i.imgur.com/Sq039yv.png
h t t p://i.imgur.com/2dgGXmn.png
 
With double SLI, the same benchmarks max out both GPU's as expected.
 
In 3dmark, performance on FireStrike seems low compared to my old setup, but FireStrike Extreme seems to scale acceptably.
 
FireStrike GTX 780Ti Vs Titan X:  h t t p://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/4645116/fs/1143871
FireStrike Extreme GTX 780Ti vs Titan X:  h t t p://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/4643893/fs/1073727
 
But most important, is the locking.  With Triple SLI Titan X, my setup crashes at random intervals, but never works for more than one hour.  GTA 5, Battlefield HardLine, FarCry 4, etc, nothing works reliably.  I am testing not overclocked with the most recent drivers from Nvidia.   I am using a EVGA TripleSLI v1 Bridge.
 
I'm out of ideas and am wanting it to be either a driver issue or perhaps needing the newer v2 SLI bridge that isn't available yet.
 
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/27 16:37:00 (permalink)
    Why can't I post links to images or benchmarks?  The system is stripping out all URL's?!    Please copy and paste the URLs in my prior post and remove the spaces on the H T T P portion.
     
     
    post edited by Ozy311 - 2015/04/27 16:41:04
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/27 16:40:40 (permalink)
    Did you check the manual for your mobo to make sure you have the cards plugged in the right slots?  I got bit with that where I had to move one of my cards down an extra slot.
     
    Also I would try a cheapie SLI bridge that comes with mobos to rule that part out.

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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/27 16:44:54 (permalink)
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    Did you check the manual for your mobo to make sure you have the cards plugged in the right slots?  I got bit with that where I had to move one of my cards down an extra slot.
     
    Also I would try a cheapie SLI bridge that comes with mobos to rule that part out.




    It's not a slot issue.  They are in the same slots that the Triple GTX 780Ti's were in prior that had no issues for two years.   Asus Rampage IV ROG motherboard.   Also, no motherboard comes with a "cheap triple SLI bridge".  As I said, double SLI with the same bridge works fine.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/27 17:09:24 (permalink)
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    Why can't I post links to images or benchmarks?  The system is stripping out all URL's?!    Please copy and paste the URLs in my prior post and remove the spaces on the H T T P portion.
     
     




    You have to have been a member for over 5 days (you have that covered) and show at least 10 posts, I think.  I still can't link because I'm only at 5 days.

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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/27 19:23:10 (permalink)
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    Did you check the manual for your mobo to make sure you have the cards plugged in the right slots?  I got bit with that where I had to move one of my cards down an extra slot.
     
    Also I would try a cheapie SLI bridge that comes with mobos to rule that part out.




    It's not a slot issue.  They are in the same slots that the Triple GTX 780Ti's were in prior that had no issues for two years.   Asus Rampage IV ROG motherboard.   Also, no motherboard comes with a "cheap triple SLI bridge".  As I said, double SLI with the same bridge works fine.




    Rampage V comes with 3x and 4x SLI bridges.  Pretty sure I've seen other mobos come with at least a 4x that should work fine with 3 way.  I would also try downclocking in Precision X to see if maybe one isn't playing nice when put with 2 others.
     
    (EDIT: I checked, your board came with 3x and 4x SLI bridges too: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/48277-asus-x79-rampage-iv-extreme-socket-2011-motherboard-review-4.html)
     
    EDIT EDIT: Also are all the slots running in PCI-e 3.0?  I've seen some people have issues with the mobo auto-assigning some slots to 2.0 and having to manually force to 3.0 in the bios.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/27 19:28:49 (permalink)
    You are correct.  I checked my manual, and it does say it comes with a 3 and 4 way.    I can also try to down clock the cards to non-SC speeds, which I think is 1000Mhz.   I'm unsure how I can determine if one card is at fault if they run fine in double SLI mode.  Any thoughts on that?
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/27 20:25:18 (permalink)
    Grab the flexible two bridge, and try that to see if you can swap between cards.

    I know you said the top was nearly the same, but you never mentioned your power supply, which can cause havoc if you are getting near the limits under full load. Running 2 way vs 3 would give you extra head room.

    Why not watercool?i can see you trade out equipment a lot, but you obviously have the money ey and would greatly help you with lowering temps of your cards, giving them extra relief.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/27 21:37:31 (permalink)
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    Grab the flexible two bridge, and try that to see if you can swap between cards.

    I know you said the top was nearly the same, but you never mentioned your power supply, which can cause havoc if you are getting near the limits under full load. Running 2 way vs 3 would give you extra head room.

    Why not watercool?i can see you trade out equipment a lot, but you obviously have the money ey and would greatly help you with lowering temps of your cards, giving them extra relief.



    The power supply is an EVGA 1300G2.   I do not want to water cool because my air cooling is sufficient to sustain 75C or less and honestly I don't want to mess with that.   The TDP is the same between the 780Ti's and the TitanX.  It isn't a power supply issue.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/28 00:08:01 (permalink)
    I was having 4 way sli GTX Titan with Asus RIVE Black when i run FireStrike or valle i have crash i try 3 different sli bridge not solve the crash for 2 days than i try to swap the 4th card with  2nd and it work
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/28 04:52:39 (permalink)
    Since a Triple SLI setup has 9 display ports, I need to know what Nvidia's official listing of what ports to use for triple screen NV Surround setup.   I tried one per card, and all 3 in a single card and it also had no effect.   On my GTX780Ti Triple SLI setup,  I had to do one per card because those cards only had one DisplayPort per card.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/28 08:50:22 (permalink)
    Nvidia has a Surround configuration page here: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/surround/system-requirements Just fill in your setup with the drop down menus and click "find configuration". It looks like it comes up as one monitor per card, using the same port on each card for your Titan X 3-way SLI setup and 3 displays in 2D Surround.
     
    Just to cover everything, make sure you've updated your BIOS and motherboard's chipset drivers. If you can, it couldn't hurt testing 3 way SLI with another motherboard, since it's sounding like it's not the cards specifically if they're running in 2-way just fine.

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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/28 10:11:15 (permalink)
    To me this sounds like a mobo not playing nice problem.  Double check in GPUz that all the cards are running at PCIe 3.0 x8 or x16 (under load).  If one card is running x4 then that's a problem and shouldn't be happening.  Also in case you have a really old BIOS, update that.  Ideally you could take your cards to a friend and have them try them out in a different mobo to see if tri-sli works right or not.
     
    Also, what sort of  crashes is it?  DirectX crashes?  Does anything show up in the Event Viewer?  Does Afterburner show any of the "limits" in the monitoring going to "1"?  I had a problem a while ago where I was banging into the temperature limit and the card could only take it so long before it would crash.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/28 12:22:40 (permalink)
    Do you have the supplemental power attached to your motherboard for the PCI-E slots?
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/28 21:09:28 (permalink)
    2-Way titan x sc SLI here and I have to replug all the DP cables when I restart, otherwise the screen stays black after the bios logo and I also have to redo the Surround setup in the Nvidia Control panel every single time.
     
    I forced Gen.3 in the Bios (Rampage IV Extreme) and I have also tried new DP cables.
     
    When I go back to my 690's everything works fine 
     
     
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/28 23:51:34 (permalink)
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    Nvidia has a Surround configuration page here:  Just fill in your setup with the drop down menus and click "find configuration". It looks like it comes up as one monitor per card, using the same port on each card for your Titan X 3-way SLI setup and 3 displays in 2D Surround.
     
    Just to cover everything, make sure you've updated your BIOS and motherboard's chipset drivers. If you can, it couldn't hurt testing 3 way SLI with another motherboard, since it's sounding like it's not the cards specifically if they're running in 2-way just fine.




    Thank you for the link.   I followed that setup and will be testing reliability again tonight.
     
    The RAGE MB has the most current bios.  I cannot test with another motherboard, as I have nothing else that can support them.   The bios is forced to GEN3 on all 3 slots, and I can confirm that GPU-Z reports PCI3 x8 and x16 on the appropriate slots that match the motherboard manual.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/28 23:59:51 (permalink)
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    To me this sounds like a mobo not playing nice problem.  Double check in GPUz that all the cards are running at PCIe 3.0 x8 or x16 (under load).  If one card is running x4 then that's a problem and shouldn't be happening.  Also in case you have a really old BIOS, update that.  Ideally you could take your cards to a friend and have them try them out in a different mobo to see if tri-sli works right or not.
     
    Also, what sort of  crashes is it?  DirectX crashes?  Does anything show up in the Event Viewer?  Does Afterburner show any of the "limits" in the monitoring going to "1"?  I had a problem a while ago where I was banging into the temperature limit and the card could only take it so long before it would crash.




    I am using EVGA PrecisionX and I am hitting normal Power and Voltage limits.  GPU-Z also lists an SLI under that one category where it shows the TDP and voltage limit ceilings, but I've never known what that meant.
     
    I am positive my setup is not hitting a temp threshold.  I run my fans manual at 100% on the cards and my 21 Noctua fans blow significant air through he system.  During the most abusive burnin tests, the hottest card never peaks 75C, which is usually the card closest to the CPU.
     
    I will harvest some Eventvwr logs for examination.   I also have been having GPU-Z log to a file on one of the GPU's.  It doesn't seem to be able to log all three at once.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 00:01:33 (permalink)
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    Do you have the supplemental power attached to your motherboard for the PCI-E slots?




    I'm pretty sure I do.  I'll open the case and verify which of these I have attached.  I'm positive I do, likely on B.  Obviously C!! :)   I've always wondered why they have both on the motherboard and the manual never says if they are both needed or just one.
     
     

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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 00:10:41 (permalink)
    Interesting.  I just saw this in the manual that I may not have attached, but this may only be needed for Quad SLI.
     

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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 00:56:32 (permalink)
    I just added a connector to EATX12V_1, EZ_PLUG1 and EZ_PLUG2.   I had a connector on EATX12V_2 and the main connector only.   
     
    I also last night rotated the cards and flipped the SLI bridge around too.   That seemed to have fixed the issue with MSI Kombustor not seeing all 3 GPU's as it was before.   I have NO IDEA why that would impact that.   I was still having triangling and crashes but did not have the screens attached per NVidia's recommendation.   
     
    Let the testing begin...
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 05:33:48 (permalink)
    Yeah if you are running tri SLI drawing that much power you need to plug in the extra PCI-E power or you will run into problems like you described.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 11:59:08 (permalink)
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    Yeah if you are running tri SLI drawing that much power you need to plug in the extra PCI-E power or you will run into problems like you described.



    As stated at the beginning,  I ran triple GTX 780Ti's for 2 years in this configuration without issue.  The TDP profile of the TitanX is the same as the 780Ti so there shouldn't be any change to configuration needed.
     
    That being said, last night I played from midnight to 5am without any triangling or locks in BF4 and GTA 5.   I am not overclocked, but my Power slider was at 110%.    I don't want to call this licked yet, but let me test a bit longer.
     
    My guess is that the TDP published isn't quite the same for the TitanX or perhaps their draw characteristics of PEG vs PCIe current sourcing is a bit different.   I verified with my WattsUp meter that the total system power draw is actually a bit lower by about 35W compared to my old setup.
     
    More testing.. and thanks for the civil open forum discussion everyone.  It's nice to be around a bunch of people who don't judge quickly and actually put on a thinking cap.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 12:08:46 (permalink)
    Quite frankly, if you have not had the PCI extra power molex connector connected, you best be glad you haven't burnt your 24 pin connector to the ground.

    Plug it in if you haven't and don't worry about the past. You are lucky at this point since old cards that took more power melted the 24 pin with more than 2 cards, hence why the extra power connector is on the board. Again, forget the past and connect it. If nothing else, you wasted a minute of your life and you will have ample power provided to the PCI lanes.



    "• We recommend that you provide sufficient power when running
    CrossFireX™ or SLI mode. See page 2-32 for details.
    • While running at heavy loaded four VGA cards, ensure to plug in the 6-pin extra PCIe
    power supply for stability.
    • Connect a chassis fan to the motherboard connector labeled CHA_FAN1/2/3 when
    using multiple graphics cards for better thermal environment."

    This is from the manual. It says 4 gpus, but it also refers to power running SLI in general. Hopefully thay can help.
    post edited by Scarlet-Tech - 2015/04/29 12:15:14
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 12:41:37 (permalink)
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    Quite frankly, if you have not had the PCI extra power molex connector connected, you best be glad you haven't burnt your 24 pin connector to the ground.

    Plug it in if you haven't and don't worry about the past. You are lucky at this point since old cards that took more power melted the 24 pin with more than 2 cards, hence why the extra power connector is on the board. Again, forget the past and connect it. If nothing else, you wasted a minute of your life and you will have ample power provided to the PCI lanes.



    "• We recommend that you provide sufficient power when running
    CrossFireX™ or SLI mode. See page 2-32 for details.
    • While running at heavy loaded four VGA cards, ensure to plug in the 6-pin extra PCIe
    power supply for stability.
    • Connect a chassis fan to the motherboard connector labeled CHA_FAN1/2/3 when
    using multiple graphics cards for better thermal environment."

    This is from the manual. It says 4 gpus, but it also refers to power running SLI in general. Hopefully thay can help.



     
    I think since the manual said 4 GPUs is why I did not attach that power connector.  Vague documentation... ugh.  I'm confused though because the PCIe bus is specced at 75W via the slots and the rest is sourced via the PEG.  No surprises then on what the maximum draw SHOULD be.
     
    No damage to the  power supply, but that may say more about the over engineering of the ASUS ROG board and the EVGA 1300 power supply.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 12:51:34 (permalink)
    In my opinion the statement should have said "3 or more GPUs".

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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/04/29 13:54:14 (permalink)
    Yes, the statement should say 3 or more. 225w for the PCI lanes alone, from the 24 pin, is a heck of a lot since it also feeds the rest of the board.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/06/02 12:56:56 (permalink)
    Have you solved that issues with your 3 way titan x ? I want to get 3 of them also. I had the exact same problem with my 3 gtx 980 and I had to rma all my cards to make it work.

    They were working alone and 2 way but 3 way was impossible.

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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/06/02 16:22:24 (permalink)
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    Have you solved that issues with your 3 way titan x ? I want to get 3 of them also. I had the exact same problem with my 3 gtx 980 and I had to rma all my cards to make it work.

    They were working alone and 2 way but 3 way was impossible.



    Yes, after connecting the EZ_PLUG connector on my RAGE Extreme IV motherboard, my crashing stopped.  I guess the PCI-E bus was being overtaxed on the Titan X's but not my older 780Ti's.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/06/02 17:20:16 (permalink)
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    I swapped out my EVGA Triple SLI GTX 780Ti SC setup for EVGA Triple SLI SC Titan X's.  I am running triple ASUS ROG Swift screens.   The machine has plenty of cooling, as I'm using an Ascensions MountainMod case with 21 Noctua fans.  The TDP profile is the same between my old GTX 780 Ti's vs these Titan X's, so the thermal footprint has not changed.   The cards never get over 75C as I run the fans at 100% at all times.  Noise is not a concern for me since I wear headphones when I game.   I've been fighting random locks and crashes and can only narrow it down to being an issue with Triple SLI and not bad hardware.   I can run any of the TitanX's in double SLI or single card without any issues.  
     
    In Triple SLI, there are some very odd things that happen.   For instance, when running MSI Kombustor, the app can only spin up one of 3 cards.
     
    h t t p://i.imgur.com/Sq039yv.png
    h t t p://i.imgur.com/2dgGXmn.png
     
    With double SLI, the same benchmarks max out both GPU's as expected.
     
    In 3dmark, performance on FireStrike seems low compared to my old setup, but FireStrike Extreme seems to scale acceptably.
     
    FireStrike GTX 780Ti Vs Titan X:  h t t p://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/4645116/fs/1143871
    FireStrike Extreme GTX 780Ti vs Titan X:  h t t p://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/4643893/fs/1073727
     
    But most important, is the locking.  With Triple SLI Titan X, my setup crashes at random intervals, but never works for more than one hour.  GTA 5, Battlefield HardLine, FarCry 4, etc, nothing works reliably.  I am testing not overclocked with the most recent drivers from Nvidia.   I am using a EVGA TripleSLI v1 Bridge.
     
    I'm out of ideas and am wanting it to be either a driver issue or perhaps needing the newer v2 SLI bridge that isn't available yet.
     
    /frustrated


    Different Drivers: Driver version 9.18.13.5012 9.18.13.3165 give different scores.
    http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/4645116/fs/1143871
    When I change out my GPUs I start the Overclock on the Motherboard from scratch as well.
    I take it that you have the Current Bios for your Motherboard?
    An SLI Bridge is just an SLI Bridge and will not make any difference with performance, all the Pro SLI Bridges provid is an LED and a nice looking or Cool looking Bridge.
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    Re: Triple SLI Titan X issues 2015/06/02 17:25:25 (permalink)
    This was already solved.  See above.
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