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2014/10/01 06:02:34 (permalink)

 
The automaker says the leaf springs can fracture due to stress and corrosion. They can move out of position and come into contact with surrounding components, including the gas tank

 
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/01 06:17:58 (permalink)
    Have you noticed that new cars now days have so many recalls compared to cars back in the day?  Ahhh like I keep telling everyone "they dont make them like they used too".  Of course cars that are built now days have their recalls mainly to do with mostly electronics and such. You would think something so simple as electronics would not be mostly the issues of cars today because of how advance technology has gotten. But I sure do admire the engineering and difficulty with what goes in when building cars of today and the future. I guess since cars are so complex today it gives more of the conundrum to more issues to pop up(basically this is where the KISS method applies best lol).


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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/01 18:16:07 (permalink)
    The new car now days are built far better in quality then the vehicles of the 70's, 80's and 90's.
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/01 18:47:58 (permalink)
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    The new car now days are built far better in quality then the vehicles of the 70's, 80's and 90's.




    Yes, but they are also more complicated by an order of magnitude.  Back in the day you had.........
     
    Internal combustion engine with a carb where the throttle was attached to a pedal by a cable.  You had hydraulic brakes, a manual rack or hydraulic assisted power steering.  A manual, or a simple mechanical automatic transmission.
     
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/01 21:52:19 (permalink)
    Sounds like it could be pretty dangerous especially if you where hauling a heavy load.

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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/02 00:41:02 (permalink)
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    Sounds like it could be pretty dangerous especially if you where hauling a heavy load.


    No joke and it has nothing to do with sophisticated electronics. How long have leaf springs been in use on vehicles? Took Toyota long enough to issue the recall, problem goes back to trucks made in 2005.
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/02 03:56:30 (permalink)
    As cars take on more sophistication and complicated electronics I'm actually surprised we haven't seen more recalls.  

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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/02 12:56:44 (permalink)
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    notfordman
    Sounds like it could be pretty dangerous especially if you where hauling a heavy load.


    No joke and it has nothing to do with sophisticated electronics. How long have leaf springs been in use on vehicles? Took Toyota long enough to issue the recall, problem goes back to trucks made in 2005.




    Yes, but this is a pre-emptive recall.  No reported crashes, fires, or injuries due to this possible breakage....but it is possible.  Leaf springs break on trucks all the time, so that is nothing new.

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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/02 14:49:06 (permalink)
    i liked it more without all the hi tech gadgets. give me my old carb intakes and simplicity back. 
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/02 15:23:07 (permalink)
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    i liked it more without all the hi tech gadgets. give me my old carb intakes and simplicity back. 


    Then your Z06 would be getting 5.9 mpg lol. I don't mind the fuel injection and such, it's the in dash electronics that worry me, especially things that control the throttle and steering. Also not fond of those info centers they put in cars now, has to cause distracted driving, just like texting and driving.
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/02 17:54:57 (permalink)
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    i liked it more without all the hi tech gadgets. give me my old carb intakes and simplicity back. 



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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/03 08:05:39 (permalink)
    Toyota was perceived as a quality car maker. This was true for many years, but when they started making them in America, the quality and issues began to arise. Is this from design or from the people actually building them. Yes they are complicated, but if the people building them are not of equal quality, the overall quality suffers. Between GM, Ford and Toyota's recalls this year have made this a rather big year for these items. Also, it seems that there are much stricter laws that warrant more report than in past years. We can all harken back to "the good ole days" but the simplicity of the manufacturing process was probably a contributor. Also many American manufacturers sent defective cars to dealers to have them fix the issues, rather fixing them a the plant. The complexity has probably impacted that too. I think the technology and build of cars today are head and shoulders above a car made only 10 years ago. I would rather them all over report issues than under report them.



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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/03 08:40:53 (permalink)
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    Toyota was perceived as a quality car maker. This was true for many years, but when they started making them in America, the quality and issues began to arise. Is this from design or from the people actually building them. Yes they are complicated, but if the people building them are not of equal quality, the overall quality suffers. Between GM, Ford and Toyota's recalls this year have made this a rather big year for these items. Also, it seems that there are much stricter laws that warrant more report than in past years. We can all harken back to "the good ole days" but the simplicity of the manufacturing process was probably a contributor. Also many American manufacturers sent defective cars to dealers to have them fix the issues, rather fixing them a the plant. The complexity has probably impacted that too. I think the technology and build of cars today are head and shoulders above a car made only 10 years ago. I would rather them all over report issues than under report them.

    I don't think there would be a different outcome weather a Japanese or American working installed these leaf springs. The defect is in the part, not person who installed them.
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/03 08:59:16 (permalink)
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    Toyota was perceived as a quality car maker. This was true for many years, but when they started making them in America, the quality and issues began to arise. Is this from design or from the people actually building them. Yes they are complicated, but if the people building them are not of equal quality, the overall quality suffers. Between GM, Ford and Toyota's recalls this year have made this a rather big year for these items. Also, it seems that there are much stricter laws that warrant more report than in past years. We can all harken back to "the good ole days" but the simplicity of the manufacturing process was probably a contributor. Also many American manufacturers sent defective cars to dealers to have them fix the issues, rather fixing them a the plant. The complexity has probably impacted that too. I think the technology and build of cars today are head and shoulders above a car made only 10 years ago. I would rather them all over report issues than under report them.

    I don't think there would be a different outcome weather a Japanese or American working installed these leaf springs. The defect is in the part, not person who installed them.


    This recall may be a defective part issue, but with the complexity of the build process, the worker has a big impact. Not throwing the workers under the bus, but the education level of them does matter. Companies do not support workers like they did in the past. The education system in the States leaves much to be desired. They need to produce a more educated person who can thrive in this computer and complex world.



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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/03 09:19:33 (permalink)
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    Toyota was perceived as a quality car maker. This was true for many years, but when they started making them in America, the quality and issues began to arise. Is this from design or from the people actually building them. Yes they are complicated, but if the people building them are not of equal quality, the overall quality suffers. Between GM, Ford and Toyota's recalls this year have made this a rather big year for these items. Also, it seems that there are much stricter laws that warrant more report than in past years. We can all harken back to "the good ole days" but the simplicity of the manufacturing process was probably a contributor. Also many American manufacturers sent defective cars to dealers to have them fix the issues, rather fixing them a the plant. The complexity has probably impacted that too. I think the technology and build of cars today are head and shoulders above a car made only 10 years ago. I would rather them all over report issues than under report them.

    I don't think there would be a different outcome weather a Japanese or American working installed these leaf springs. The defect is in the part, not person who installed them.


    This recall may be a defective part issue, but with the complexity of the build process, the worker has a big impact. Not throwing the workers under the bus, but the education level of them does matter. Companies do not support workers like they did in the past. The education system in the States leaves much to be desired. They need to produce a more educated person who can thrive in this computer and complex world.

    I take it you have never been on a tour through a modern auto plant and the process of the vehicle build?
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/03 10:08:47 (permalink)
    Regardless of the automation, there is always human invvolvement. I have toured a car plant, but that was 20 years ago. Not sure what you mean exactly.



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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/03 10:33:52 (permalink)
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    Regardless of the automation, there is always human invvolvement. I have toured a car plant, but that was 20 years ago. Not sure what you mean exactly.

    Tell me where or how these workers are responsible for 7 years of this recall issue?
     
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    I really don't think your pointing the fingers at the American workers is the issue.
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/03 11:49:25 (permalink)
    Got rid of my Tacoma for an FJ at the beginning of the year.  Both are excellent vehicles, disirregardless (thanks Dubya) of the few hiccups.
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    Re: Toyota recalls 690,000 pickups 2014/10/03 16:55:22 (permalink)
    Kram86, not throwing the American worker under the bus. What I am saying is that, as a nation,we need more investments in education. Nothing is more beneficial to the economy that a highly educated work. Much of this not is the workers fault, but our overall system. It our attitude fur how spend the wealth of this nation. More investments in education and health should a priority.



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