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2011/02/02 11:47:02 (permalink)
Heres my current settings @ 4.533Ghz:
 
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CPU ( I7-980X ) (dont know where to check) 
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GPU ( EVGA GTX580 Quad SLI )
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Operating System ( Windows 7 Pro 64 )


Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio ( 34X )
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ( 133 )
MCH Strap ( Auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( 2400Mhz {18X} )
CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps )
IOH Clock Skew ( 0 ps )
Spread Spectrum ( Disabled )
PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 )
Turbo Performance - ( Disabled ) 


Memory Feature        
Memory Speed ( Standard )
Memory Control Setting ( Enabled )
Memory Frequency ( 1600Mhz / 2:12 )
Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way )
Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way )
Memory Low Gap ( 2.5G )
tCL Setting ( 6 )
tRCD Setting ( 8 )
tRP Setting ( 6 )
tRAS Setting (Auto ) "29"
tRFC Setting ( Auto ) "88"
Command Rate ( 1t )


Voltage Control
EVGA VDroop Control ( Without VDroop )
CPU VCore ( 1.44375 )
CPU VTT Voltage ( +200mv )
CPU PLL VCore ( 1.845v)
IOH PLL VCore ( 1.845v ) 
QPI PLL VCore ( 1.400 )
DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )
IOH VCore ( 1.175)
IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( 1.650v )
ICH VCore ( 1.175v )
NF200 Voltage (Auto) "1.200" 
VTT PWM Frequency ( 490 KHZ )
CPU PWM Frequency ( 1210 KHZ )
CPU Impedance (Auto)  

CPU Feature
Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled )
Turbo Mode Function ( greyed out )
CxE Function ( Disabled )
Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled )
Virtualization Technology ( Disabled )
Intel HT Technology ( Enabled )
Active Processor Cores ( All )
QPI Control Settings ( Enabled )
QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled )
QPI Frequency Selection ( 4.800 GT/s )
OC Recorvery ( Disabled )

PnP/PCI     PCI Express
Maximum Payload Size ( 256 )
 
Please give me some suggestions.. Would obviously love something over 4600.. 4700+ would be sweet.
 
I've tried going faster but Prime 95 will just lock right away if i go any higher.. I've tried upping the cpu vcore up to 4.7 and that didnt help.. upped the VTT +50 and that did nothing. I've also tried removing a set of ram and just runing it with 6GBs thinking that was forsure what was holding me back and nope! Same thing.  Plus tried lowering the timings to 8,8,8 2T and that didnt make a difference either.
 
I've run out of ideas but i still believe it should get atleast 4.6Ghz.
 
 
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:03:14 (permalink)
    Tried those settings and upped the cpu vcore to 1.47.  Same instant lockup and then BSOD. "Problem with interupt on the secondary processor blah blah blah"
     
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:06:13 (permalink)
    The Main thing I notice you're doing wrong is  your Dram multiplier(2:12) and uncore frequency (x18). You said you messed with the memory timings, but what about the speed? The memory's speed directly reflects your Uncore frequency. So what you should do is lower the speed of the memory and uncore to its lowest possible setting, while keeping a high cpu clock. Best way to overclock a cpu is to take the memory out of the equation and just work with the cpu.
     
    Some of your voltages look like they may be too high.
    These 3 in general...
    CPU PLL VCore ( 1.845v)
    IOH PLL VCore ( 1.845v ) 
    QPI PLL VCore ( 1.400 )
    You could actually gain stability by lowering these, but i dont know your chip, maybe you've already tested lower and you know you need these settings.
     
     
     

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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:08:03 (permalink)
    CPU Clock Ratio ( 34X )32X
    CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ( 150 )
    MCH Strap ( Auto )1600mhz
    CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( 2400Mhz {18X} )
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    PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 )102
    Turbo Performance - ( Disabled ) 


    Memory Feature        
    Memory Speed ( Standard )
    Memory Control Setting ( Enabled )
    Memory Frequency ( 1600Mhz / 2:12 )Drop to 2:10 if needed to keep in specs 
    Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way )
    Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way )
    Memory Low Gap ( 2.5G )Always left on auto 
    tCL Setting ( 6 )
    tRCD Setting ( 8 )
    tRP Setting ( 6 )
    tRAS Setting (Auto ) "29"
    tRFC Setting ( Auto ) "88"
    Command Rate ( 1t )


    Voltage Control
    EVGA VDroop Control ( Without VDroop )
    CPU VCore ( 1.44375 ) 1.485
    CPU VTT Voltage ( +200mv ) +250 
    CPU PLL VCore ( 1.845v)  1.65
    IOH PLL VCore ( 1.845v ) 1.65 These chips are meant to run 1.50 on cpu and pll vcore upping decreases stability 
    QPI PLL VCore ( 1.400 ) 1.225
    DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )
    IOH VCore ( 1.175) 1.250
    IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( 1.650v ) 1.50 
    ICH VCore ( 1.175v ) 1.125 
    NF200 Voltage (Auto) "1.200" 1.25 
    VTT PWM Frequency ( 490 KHZ )
    CPU PWM Frequency ( 1210 KHZ )
    CPU Impedance (Auto)  

    CPU Feature
    Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled )
    Turbo Mode Function ( greyed out )
    CxE Function ( Disabled )
    Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled )
    Virtualization Technology ( Disabled )
    Intel HT Technology ( Enabled )
    Active Processor Cores ( All )
    QPI Control Settings ( Enabled )
    QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled )
    QPI Frequency Selection ( 4.800 GT/s ) I use 6.4 up to you though  
    OC Recorvery ( Enabled ) Off 

    PnP/PCI     PCI Express
    Maximum Payload Size ( 256 depending on video card at least 1024mb
      
     
    This is a solid 4.8 ghz overclock ON my rig may not work for you. May have to drop some numbers for stability. Keep the voltages and drop the multi to 31 and no matter what it should be rock solid.
    post edited by EleSSaRBLS - 2011/02/02 12:11:17

     
     
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:17:04 (permalink)
    Wait a sec.. must not of tried 1.47v cause when i went back into the bios it showed 1.46.. so i changed it to 1.475v and it lasted a whole 20 secs on Prime 95 before it locked up and the same BSOD.
     

      
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:21:36 (permalink)
    Thanks EleSSaRBLS! I'll give those setting a try now and report back.  Was thinking that i might have something out of wack as its so unstable with anymore Mhz.


      
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:31:00 (permalink)
    Oh wait a sec this is the guy with the 4 580s wc'ed that could give me a run for my money....no more info for you.....j/k but no really 4.8 is all u get I can't tell all my secrets. 
    Nice rig btw
     
    Also be aware that as you OC whether or not your passing your max ram frequency your going to have to loosen the timing.
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:38:07 (permalink)
    Any voltage over 1.35 is a no go for me. I'd steer clear of anything needing so much vcore.


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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:50:11 (permalink)
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    Any voltage over 1.35 is a no go for me. I'd steer clear of anything needing so much vcore.

    I have to agree that except for benching or short-term use I would not push clocks requiring such high Vcore.  I'm actually running at 4.015GHz on the i7 970 for 24/7 at nice low voltage of around 1.23V at load.
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 12:58:26 (permalink)
    I have pushed this cpu to 5.4 ghz on 1.66vcore on straight water with no problems. Now that I look at my notes I have achieved 4.8 on 1.387 vcore but it wasn't stable for a long duration. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't but for these chips 1.48 isn't that high and will only render max temps in the high 50's low 60s. With a good wc setup those high clocks are available. Your not going to reach 4.5 or above on an h50 or h70 at no ammount of vcore w/out max temps going through the roof. I guess it comes down to what your comfortable with. I get 5+ out of mine cause I'm willing to push it. My max temps even at 5.2ghz with my wc setup only his mid 60's which is well within safe operating temps. A cpu is only dependent on the temp you can keep it at. If I could keep it at 32c I could lay 2.0v vcore to it and it wouldn't matter.
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 13:12:15 (permalink)
    I thought when the 980x came out you were not suppose to go over 1.4v on Vcore because of the internal memory controller.  Although I see a lot of people using more then 1.4v on Vcore and seem to be ok. I run 4.4ghz on 1.399 according to EVGA E-leet. 

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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 13:24:34 (permalink)
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    I have pushed this cpu to 5.4 ghz on 1.66vcore on straight water with no problems. Now that I look at my notes I have achieved 4.8 on 1.387 vcore but it wasn't stable for a long duration. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't but for these chips 1.48 isn't that high and will only render max temps in the high 50's low 60s. With a good wc setup those high clocks are available. Your not going to reach 4.5 or above on an h50 or h70 at no ammount of vcore w/out max temps going through the roof. I guess it comes down to what your comfortable with. I get 5+ out of mine cause I'm willing to push it. My max temps even at 5.2ghz with my wc setup only his mid 60's which is well within safe operating temps. A cpu is only dependent on the temp you can keep it at. If I could keep it at 32c I could lay 2.0v vcore to it and it wouldn't matter.

     
    That part I put in BOLD is completely false. If Lephron was around he would make a nice long reply on what Vcore does. There is a math equation for it.  Even if you do run 2.0Vcore or 1.99Vcore whatever, and the CPU is on Liquid Nitrogen -50c during load, there is still WAYYYYY TOO MUCH VOLTAGE running through the cpu, this will severely degrade the life time of the processor. This doesnt mean your chip will instantly fry, but a chip that could have lasted 15 years, will now only last 2 years or even less.
     
    To the OP, Please try what me and Dejanh said. Lower the CPU PLL and IOH PLL, and also lower your memory speed to 2:8 and uncore to x15. THEN, try upping the Vcore and VTT to get more Mhz for your CPU overclock. You are already pushing it plenty and cutting the life of your processor in half. Thing is, you will upgrade before it dies anyway because these chips can last 10+ years when not overclocked.
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 13:53:35 (permalink)
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    I have pushed this cpu to 5.4 ghz on 1.66vcore on straight water with no problems. Now that I look at my notes I have achieved 4.8 on 1.387 vcore but it wasn't stable for a long duration. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't but for these chips 1.48 isn't that high and will only render max temps in the high 50's low 60s. With a good wc setup those high clocks are available. Your not going to reach 4.5 or above on an h50 or h70 at no ammount of vcore w/out max temps going through the roof. I guess it comes down to what your comfortable with. I get 5+ out of mine cause I'm willing to push it. My max temps even at 5.2ghz with my wc setup only his mid 60's which is well within safe operating temps. A cpu is only dependent on the temp you can keep it at. If I could keep it at 32c I could lay 2.0v vcore to it and it wouldn't matter.


    That part I put in BOLD is completely false. If Lephron was around he would make a nice long reply on what Vcore does. There is a math equation for it.  Even if you do run 2.0Vcore or 1.99Vcore whatever, and the CPU is on Liquid Nitrogen -50c during load, there is still WAYYYYY TOO MUCH VOLTAGE running through the cpu, this will severely degrade the life time of the processor. This doesnt mean your chip will instantly fry, but a chip that could have lasted 15 years, will now only last 2 years or even less.

    To the OP, Please try what me and Dejanh said. Lower the CPU PLL and IOH PLL, and also lower your memory speed to 2:8 and uncore to x15. THEN, try upping the Vcore and VTT to get more Mhz for your CPU overclock. You are already pushing it plenty and cutting the life of your processor in half. Thing is, you will upgrade before it dies anyway because these chips can last 10+ years when not overclocked.

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    It bugs the heck out of me when I see people thinking they can push unlimited amounts of voltage through their chips and achieve unlimited scaling.  There is no such thing and no amount of cooling will help you.  Even running at 1.5V for 24/7 will severely degrade the life of the chip, but for most of us this will not be an issue before we replace it anyway.
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 13:56:49 (permalink)
    Welp all that was a no go..  Runing at 150x 132 didnt work. FIrst boot i had a black screen before the log on.. then on the next boot i got to log in but then black screen.. The next boot i got into windows but locked as soon as i hit the button to start the prime stress test.
     
    Then started again with the above settings but ran at 35x133 and the same as before when i was testing.. would last about 20 secs and then lock with the same BSOD.. The only thing that would make it last a min was lower the mem timings from 6,7,6 to 8,8,8 1T.. AND the only thing that would let me last 2 minues was also lowering it to 2T on the ram.
     
    Steam errored out right away when i was testing.. so i now reverted back to my stable settings and repaired steam.
     
    Any other ideas??  Was nice to see the system load at 4.8Ghz though. heh.  1.4875 was the highest i tried on the cpu vcore.
     
    Oh when i did try 150x 132 i did lower the memory to 2/10 over 2.12 and 15x uncore.
     
     

      
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 13:59:12 (permalink)
    Oh and btw.. my temps were reporting low 60s to high 60s across all cores at 1.475v on load.. I've got a ton of rads and a ton of pumps but not the fastest loudest fans like i used to.. just GT 1850RPM fans in push/pull. Abundant temps are around 77F in the room.
     
     

      
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 14:12:54 (permalink)
    For whatever it's worth, I have been running mine with 1.575 v-core for almost a year.Thats what mine takes to do 4.5 stable. No ill affects so far, and my temps never top 70 while running LinX. Some 980's need the v-core.


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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 14:18:44 (permalink)
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    For whatever it's worth, I have been running mine with 1.575 v-core for almost a year.Thats what mine takes to do 4.5 stable. No ill affects so far, and my temps never top 70 while running LinX. Some 980's need the v-core.

     
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 15:25:38 (permalink)
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    Any voltage over 1.35 is a no go for me. I'd steer clear of anything needing so much vcore.

    I have to agree that except for benching or short-term use I would not push clocks requiring such high Vcore.  I'm actually running at 4.015GHz on the i7 970 for 24/7 at nice low voltage of around 1.23V at load.

     
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 16:02:54 (permalink)
    My previous CPU i7 930 ran 24/7 at 4.4Ghz.. I upgraded it to the i7 980x expecting a number north of 4.6Ghz to justify the upgrade.
     
    I'm not looking for 5Ghz.. if i was i would not of bought the case i have. I just wanted a sweet lastest and greatest gaming rig.. Benching was the bonus.. and why not after spending all that cash on it. 
     
    I just want it runing where it should be so i can settle and start playing games as intended. Though i cant rest if theres a problem and wont till this overclock is resolved.
     

      
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 16:18:50 (permalink)
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    Qpi pll 1.45
    CPU pll 1.9
    And plenty of vcore

    You do not bump CPU PLL on these chips, you lower it.  1.5V and below increases stability with Westmere arch. chips.

    @AHowes - try dropping CPU and IOH PLL values for more stability.  Even with old Bloomfield chips this held true to a great extent.  I never ran my CPU and IOH PLL on any of my 4C/8T i7 9xx series chips above 1.5V for best voltage and stability.


    CPU PLL at 1.9 is correct I have my 980x running at 5Ghz.  The higher the CPU PLL the lower you can run the vcore but 1.47 is way to low.  You need 1.65v+ to get in the 5Ghz range.


    And how is it I run linx stable @ 5.2ghz 20 passes 25k problem with a mere 1.58 vcore and as far as life who cares really. I'm not saying it should be ran at 4.8 for its entire life as I don't do that to mine, just for benching, linx and other benchmark #'s.  I will say I may have exaggerated 2.0 vcore it was a point that the ammount of voltage is dependent on how cool you can keep it. I have seen many runs at 1.89+ on LN2. Can something burn out sure it can, but it can anytime you go above intels spec of 1.38. I was simply giving the guy what works for mine, but as we all know all chips are not the same. As far as the pll and cpu vcore it has to be dropped, but I prolly don't know much about overclocking.

    I want to see this, honest, I do.  5.2GHz with 6C/12T using LinX with 10.3.0.003 libraries (download here http://www.mediafire.com/?ubhp560c83nwkfv) and all DRAM running 50-pass (minimum problem size should be no less than 25K)...you can do that you got one very, very nice chip.  RealTempGT 3.6 monitoring temps of course, idle and load shown No tossing your computer out the window
     
    @OP - I need 1.47V at load roughly to run 4.62GHz on the i7 970.  My IOH and CPU PLL are below 1.3V for stable runs at that.  I did not spend much time tweaking so I could probably shave down the volts just a bit, but maybe this will give you some idea what to try.  Also, you are running with all 6 slots of DRAM.  That is putting a lot of stress on the chip and in general will limit your overclocking ability.  Doing 4.6GHz with 3 slots and 6 slots is not the same thing at all.
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 16:36:25 (permalink)
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    Qpi pll 1.45
    CPU pll 1.9
    And plenty of vcore

    You do not bump CPU PLL on these chips, you lower it.  1.5V and below increases stability with Westmere arch. chips.

    @AHowes - try dropping CPU and IOH PLL values for more stability.  Even with old Bloomfield chips this held true to a great extent.  I never ran my CPU and IOH PLL on any of my 4C/8T i7 9xx series chips above 1.5V for best voltage and stability.


    CPU PLL at 1.9 is correct I have my 980x running at 5Ghz.  The higher the CPU PLL the lower you can run the vcore but 1.47 is way to low.  You need 1.65v+ to get in the 5Ghz range.


    And how is it I run linx stable @ 5.2ghz 20 passes 25k problem with a mere 1.58 vcore and as far as life who cares really. I'm not saying it should be ran at 4.8 for its entire life as I don't do that to mine, just for benching, linx and other benchmark #'s.  I will say I may have exaggerated 2.0 vcore it was a point that the ammount of voltage is dependent on how cool you can keep it. I have seen many runs at 1.89+ on LN2. Can something burn out sure it can, but it can anytime you go above intels spec of 1.38. I was simply giving the guy what works for mine, but as we all know all chips are not the same. As far as the pll and cpu vcore it has to be dropped, but I prolly don't know much about overclocking.

    I want to see this, honest, I do.  5.2GHz with 6C/12T using LinX with 10.3.0.003 libraries (download here http://www.mediafire.com/?ubhp560c83nwkfv) and all DRAM running 50-pass (minimum problem size should be no less than 25K)...you can do that you got one very, very nice chip.  RealTempGT 3.6 monitoring temps of course, idle and load shown No tossing your computer out the window

    @OP - I need 1.47V at load roughly to run 4.62GHz on the i7 970.  My IOH and CPU PLL are below 1.3V for stable runs at that.  I did not spend much time tweaking so I could probably shave down the volts just a bit, but maybe this will give you some idea what to try.  Also, you are running with all 6 slots of DRAM.  That is putting a lot of stress on the chip and in general will limit your overclocking ability.  Doing 4.6GHz with 3 slots and 6 slots is not the same thing at all.

     
    Here ya go eat your heart out....
     
     
    Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* Monday, January 10, 2011 2:07 PM ([link=javascript:void(showMsgNum(784570))]permalink[/link])
    Heres with the updated linx binaries. I accidentally had it on 25 passes so i went ahead and stopped it after 21.
     
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    I think 20 passes as I stated should suffice.


     
     
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 16:53:56 (permalink)
    I took my discussion with you offline.  Let's just say I'm not satisfied at all.
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 17:49:33 (permalink)
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    I took my discussion with you offline.  Let's just say I'm not satisfied at all.

     
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 17:59:24 (permalink)
    Checked my batch # and its 3014A607.  What is it? A batch?

      
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 18:00:36 (permalink)
    Voltage isn't everything, temperature is however, following along the basic concept relating to how the resistence of a circuit varies with temperature.  I'd suggest finding ways of getting your full load temperatures lower before thinking more voltage will fix it, which just raises temperatures even more.  World record runs are done not just due to the high voltages applied, rather the extreme temperatures achieved, many in cryogenic territory.
     
    For a formula sense, it is a square root function where you will need a greater temperature delta from the maximum for stock to account for the increase in wattage ratio.  The very idea that overclocked tmepratures can exceed stock max temperatures or even reach the same value is just negligent.  Just because nothing bad happens sooner doesn't make it right, just folks are lazy, they want the results of a high overclock (fps or scores) than processor integrity.
     
    The whole reason we up the votlage is that more electrons in the circuit escape when ramping up the frequency.  The science behind this is called electromigration, which begins as soon as a stock processor is powered up.  Electromigration is what determines how long a processor can last, not necessarily whether it is overclocked or not.  Over time, a processor will loose electrons and need a higher voltage just to run stock towards the end of its life.  This is why the Vcore is set high enough to give us the impression of good overclocking overhead for shorter periods than the warranty, there is actually more voltage needed for stock than when you first fire it up.  Whatever is required for Intel's 3yr non-stop 24/7 warranty.
     
    Trouble is how we define "stability".  People think if after running some random extreme stress test for hours or days, they call it stable -- no it isn't.  It could give in a week or a month and it depends on the frequency set, or the RAM or mainboard circuitry could give -- we test total system stability when we run these tests, not whether one part can take the punishment or not.
     
    For instance with CPU overclocking, is all the voltage only going straight to CPU cores and/or caches?  Not in Nehalem on up, which has controllers and whatnot that have to deal with power and signal coming in faster than it was certified to take.  It is a major gamble to want more frequency and I think folks with good batches are just lucky and shouldn't expect more than they get.  Overclocking it isn't (nor should it be, IMO) easy or simple just because mainboard and heatsink makers give us the options to do so.

    TEC/Peltier definitions, formulas and temperature estimations

     For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 18:07:25 (permalink)
    To supplement the above (beautiful ) explanation...
     
    http://www.overclockingwi...ex.php/Liquid_nitrogen
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 18:22:27 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info.. but i'm aware of most of that as i've been overclocking computers since the Pentium 2 chip came out. heh.
     
    Just was wondering if there was something i was doing wrong.. if i've reached the most i can get on water then i'm done.  As i said, this is my gaming rig and just wanted it runing at its max in a beautifull case.. I'd of built a bench and saved a ton of dough if i wanted to do phase change or LN for extreme benches.
     
    In the next hour i'll try removing 3 sticks of ram and give it a go again with the new info once my wife gets home and my almost 2 year old son and almost 6 year old daughter is asleep.
     
    If in the end it responds well to 5 volts then i'll know its voltage thats holding me back. As i said 4.6Ghz and i'm happy.. didnt think i'd have to raise the voltage from 1.43 to 1.5 to go another 100Mhz.
     

      
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 18:26:21 (permalink)
    and basically supplementing what I said that the lower the temps you can maintain the higher you are able to overclock and the more voltage you are able to apply due to the fact that there is less resistance and the electrons are able to move more freely in the silicon channels to and from their desitnation. Voltage although it does create heat does not create no where near the heat that resistance does.  

     
     
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 18:28:39 (permalink)
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    didnt think i'd have to raise the voltage from 1.43 to 1.5 to go another 100Mhz.

    You may just...scaling is not linear
     
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    and basically supplementing what I said that the lower the temps you can maintain the higher you are able to overclock and the more voltage you are able to apply due to the fact that there is less resistance and the electrons are able to move more freely in the silicon channels to and from their desitnation. Voltage although it does create heat does not create no where near the heat that resistance does.  

    Not voltage, current.  And temperature results in increased resistance
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    Re:Time to call in the big boys! Need HELP getting my i7 980x behond 4.5Ghz. 2011/02/02 19:17:27 (permalink)
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    didnt think i'd have to raise the voltage from 1.43 to 1.5 to go another 100Mhz.

    You may just...scaling is not linear

    EleSSaRBLS
    and basically supplementing what I said that the lower the temps you can maintain the higher you are able to overclock and the more voltage you are able to apply due to the fact that there is less resistance and the electrons are able to move more freely in the silicon channels to and from their desitnation. Voltage although it does create heat does not create no where near the heat that resistance does.  

    Not voltage, current.  And temperature results in increased resistance

    Come on...post the ohms law pie chart....oh never mind I will.
     

    I've got one of the magical chips that all it requires to go from 4.24 to 4.5 is upping the multi and a few steps on the vcore. Maybe I'll see if I can set up quick 4.6...I've run Vantage that high but never bothered with a LinX run.
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