Halo_003
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 12859
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/20 18:18:10
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 51
So I'm looking at some pretty easy mods. My car is a 2012 Honda Civic 4 door. Not my first choice but I'll take it for free lol. (Mom upgraded to a 2014, it's a hand me down car.) First things first, I'm trying to find a decent trunk liner for say around $100 or so. I found one on amazon but not 100% sure if it's the right one. http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Honda-Accessories-08U45-TR0-100-Trunk/dp/B006FLMGGO ********** Found a stock one for $70 shipped and got it, it fits perfectly. Next, I was thinking of putting some LEDs in for extra lighting. Nothing really crazy, but I want 2 strips in the trunk to boost the light in there at night. The stock light is almost not even there it seems. Finally, I'd like to upgrade the speakers. The car is the base model Civic, EX I think? (not a clue at the moment). So, to put it bluntly, the stock speakers are weak. I'd like to move them up to something in the <1000W range, I don't want to be that guy at the stop light rattling everyone's cars. Nor do I want to be the guy in the souped up Civic. I just want something nice. I think around 500W should be plenty to be honest. My idea was to replace existing speakers, and maybe add a single sub in the trunk, either 8" or 10". I was thinking of putting bass shakers on the driver and passenger seats though. Any advice on that would be much appreciated, I'm pretty good with headphones but car audio I have almost 0 experience with so far. Any ideas on specs, individual speakers, and brands etc.? On the note of speakers, as I said I don't want it to be way overdone and deafening, I just want more than the stock ones offer. I want it to be quality and discreet from outside the car. AKA I don't want my sub to wake people when driving through neighborhoods. Budget for the lighting I'd say is ~$100, I don't think it should be more than that realistically. And budget for the speakers let's say $600-800 for now, not 100% sure there. Lastly, any suggestions for anything else to do with it? I'm considering getting a darker tint but unsure so far. Thanks.
post edited by Halo_003 - 2014/07/31 19:57:09
i7 7700K - ASUS Maximus IX Apex - 16GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3466MHz C16 - 5700 XT 50th Anniversary
|
Holo
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 3328
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/08/23 10:48:22
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 4
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/10 21:25:12
(permalink)
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/10 21:33:26
(permalink)
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655 
|
Halo_003
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 12859
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/20 18:18:10
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 51
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/10 21:57:37
(permalink)
Sorry I should have clarified, yes I plan on the exterior being stock. I never like how they turn out. The window tint is the only visible mod I want. Otherwise though, nothing visible is the goal. Thanks for the list Kaninja, I'll check that out. Would a 10/12" sub be too much though? I really don't want it heard outside of the car if I can avoid it. Also, got any links to some sound dampening mats on that note? Might at some point go for some subtle inexpensive rims, but it's not on the list right now. I say subtle 'cause I don't want to look ghetto lol. But, that wouldn't be for quite some time, IF it were to happen. I don't want to look like a rice rocket so visually I'd like everything stock.
post edited by Halo_003 - 2014/07/11 06:26:06
i7 7700K - ASUS Maximus IX Apex - 16GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3466MHz C16 - 5700 XT 50th Anniversary
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/10 22:03:45
(permalink)
Halo_003
Sorry I should have clarified, yes I plan on the exterior being stock. I never like how they turn out. The window tint is the only visible mod I want. Otherwise though, nothing visible is the goal.
Thanks for the list Kaninja, I'll check that out. Would a 12" sub be too much though? I really don't want it heard outside of the car if I can avoid it. Also, got any links to some sound dampening mats on that note?
Might at some point go for some subtle inexpensive rims, but it's not on the list right now.
You are welcome, a single 12" in a sealed box really isn't going to be that overpowering like a ported box can be. Sure if you crank the bass to max and crank the volume to over 9000.....yes you will hear it outside the car. However, under comfortable listening conditions the 12" will be fine. If you want, I have heard the 10" and it is also a very good sub at a great price. Either one will make you happy. Sound dampening can definitely help.
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655
|
Halo_003
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 12859
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/20 18:18:10
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 51
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/11 06:34:04
(permalink)
My only concern with the 12 vs the 10 is that it would overpower the other speakers too easily even at low volume. I know I could tune and such, so not sure what would be the best option for a sub. Any thoughts on putting bass shakers on the front seats? I think that would be cool to do sometime. Doesn't have to be in initially, but the option would be cool. Any way to use the stock head unit or would it need to be replaced as well? I just like that it looks like it belongs there. My sister has an '05 coupe and the head unit just looks terrible. Especially given it's silver on a black interior. I can get pictures to show it if that would help. Also I really like having media controls on the wheel, so working with that is a must.
post edited by Halo_003 - 2014/07/11 06:42:57
i7 7700K - ASUS Maximus IX Apex - 16GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3466MHz C16 - 5700 XT 50th Anniversary
|
Chrome-M-Dragon
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 7806
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/01/17 05:35:05
- Location: Down the rabbit hole...
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 30
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/11 07:00:01
(permalink)
Mmmm. I have a ten on a 300watt amp that works amazingly. If I could find all the links I would show them, but I went with the ten for the same reasons. It's loud enough that I feel it and love it, but outside the car even with the windows down 10' away all you hear is the music, there is no big bass. (still sounds awesome though :D) I stuck with no specific brand, head unit is JVC, amp is kenwood, sub and I think the rest of the speakers are alpine. As for the LED lighting strips awesome idea....If I had an area to tuck 3 feet of em I would do that!
People are, well, only Human. We know that. The rule of law is borne out in identifying, condemning, and punishing those who violate the standards on which we all agree. This is exactly what we do in america. -James Inhofe Use any of the codes below for a free hug and a high five! Much love to all you wonderful nerds! Associate: 5L1LJB5JQ94H892 Affiliate Code: QRXQKO8ZJS
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/11 08:26:48
(permalink)
Halo_003
My only concern with the 12 vs the 10 is that it would overpower the other speakers too easily even at low volume. I know I could tune and such, so not sure what would be the best option for a sub. Any thoughts on putting bass shakers on the front seats? I think that would be cool to do sometime. Doesn't have to be in initially, but the option would be cool.
Any way to use the stock head unit or would it need to be replaced as well? I just like that it looks like it belongs there. My sister has an '05 coupe and the head unit just looks terrible. Especially given it's silver on a black interior. I can get pictures to show it if that would help.
Also I really like having media controls on the wheel, so working with that is a must.
No, either of those subs will complement the rest of your system perfectly. No idea on the bass shakers.....I think you wouldn't need them after listening to your system for the first time. It is best to get an aftermarket head unit. You could look around and find one that best suits your interior as well. It is possible to get a head unit that works with the steering wheel controls, but you need an adapter and a head unit that works with it.......and that I could try and find for you but it is difficult to find. Yes, pictures please :)
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655
|
candle_86
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 3677
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/02/24 17:59:37
- Location: Fort Worth, Texas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 7
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/11 08:52:35
(permalink)
its a Honda save your money for a car that has horsepower lol
|
rsabatino
FTW Member
- Total Posts : 1169
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2010/02/04 14:00:46
- Location: new jersey usa
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 6
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/11 08:59:50
(permalink)
i say don't bother leave the whole thing to stock cars are not forever. just save your money for the important things replacement bulbs, oil changes, mufflers, you might need to replace your cat in time. brakes all those minor things need to be replaced and they cost hundreds upon hundreds of dollars.
Operation System Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor Memory 24.2 GB Free (31.9 GB Total) Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (8.0 GB) Monitor HP 32 Display (1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz) Disk Storage 5240.5 GB Free of 6542.2 GB Audio NVIDIA High Definition Audio Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. (ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (WI-FI)) Mouse Razer BlackWidow V3 Tenkeyless Keyboard Razer Viper
|
Halo_003
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 12859
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/20 18:18:10
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 51
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/11 21:10:33
(permalink)
kaninja
No, either of those subs will complement the rest of your system perfectly. No idea on the bass shakers.....I think you wouldn't need them after listening to your system for the first time.
It is best to get an aftermarket head unit. You could look around and find one that best suits your interior as well.
It is possible to get a head unit that works with the steering wheel controls, but you need an adapter and a head unit that works with it.......and that I could try and find for you but it is difficult to find.
Yes, pictures please :)
I'll get pictures for you tomorrow. Thanks. 
i7 7700K - ASUS Maximus IX Apex - 16GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3466MHz C16 - 5700 XT 50th Anniversary
|
Halo_003
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 12859
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/20 18:18:10
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 51
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/30 13:34:09
(permalink)
i7 7700K - ASUS Maximus IX Apex - 16GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3466MHz C16 - 5700 XT 50th Anniversary
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/30 18:02:21
(permalink)
I'd buy from SonicElectronix for most of that stuff. I just tried out this new company called NVX. They have some high quality stuff... Their amplifiers actually perform better than they are rated... It's a newer brand, so you get a lot more for your money. All of their stuff is CEA compliant, so it's all legit. That's a good amplifier... but I'd suggest this amp: http://www.sonicelectroni...0253_NVX-JAD900.5.htmlSave $10 on the sub: http://www.sonicelectroni...keyword=JL+Audio+CP110For your wire, you are going to need a whole kit, you need power wire to go from your battery to your amplifier. I suggest just buying a amplifier kit. NVX has some really nice ones... You shouldn't need more than a 8 gauge kit for the power you are using. But sonicelectronix is out of stock on those. They usually come with the other wires you need like the RCA, remote, ground and speaker wires. For your speakers i'd just stick with the JL ones, they are better than the Type R's. For the head unit, i'd suggest a Kenwood touch screen over that Sony. For the trim panel tools... I would just use stuff laying around. Like a putty knife wrapped with a shop rag so the metal doesn't scratch the trim. Saves ya money.
post edited by RainStryke - 2014/07/30 18:25:10
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
direraptor22
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5717
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/14 00:35:57
- Location: Optimal cruise altitude!
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 16
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/30 22:52:03
(permalink)
Wow, that JBL amp... if you're gonna spend so much might as well go with this amp right here: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_71665_SKAR-Audio-SK-1500.1D.html gives you more boom for the buck! For the sub, I love Sundown Audio, I run 2 x SA12s on about 1700W and they are amazing. Grab one SA12 and build a nice ported box for it tuned to around 32-34Hz and 2 cu ft of space, it'll sound awesome in your ride! I can't wait to upgrade my subs to 18s down the road, with more power as well. Love to shake other people's rides at stoplights 
 “The fascination of flight can't be expressed with words. But it really lies beyond the capabilities of human endeavor. Once you've experienced it, you'll never be able to forget it.” - Friedrich Oblessor
|
Halo_003
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 12859
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/20 18:18:10
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 51
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 09:27:59
(permalink)
i7 7700K - ASUS Maximus IX Apex - 16GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3466MHz C16 - 5700 XT 50th Anniversary
|
Halo_003
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 12859
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/20 18:18:10
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 51
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 09:34:46
(permalink)
RainStryke
I'd buy from SonicElectronix for most of that stuff.
I just tried out this new company called NVX. They have some high quality stuff... Their amplifiers actually perform better than they are rated... It's a newer brand, so you get a lot more for your money. All of their stuff is CEA compliant, so it's all legit.
That's a good amplifier... but I'd suggest this amp: http://www.sonicelectroni...0253_NVX-JAD900.5.html
Save $10 on the sub: http://www.sonicelectroni...keyword=JL+Audio+CP110
For your wire, you are going to need a whole kit, you need power wire to go from your battery to your amplifier. I suggest just buying a amplifier kit. NVX has some really nice ones... You shouldn't need more than a 8 gauge kit for the power you are using. But sonicelectronix is out of stock on those. They usually come with the other wires you need like the RCA, remote, ground and speaker wires.
For your speakers i'd just stick with the JL ones, they are better than the Type R's.
For the head unit, i'd suggest a Kenwood touch screen over that Sony.
For the trim panel tools... I would just use stuff laying around. Like a putty knife wrapped with a shop rag so the metal doesn't scratch the trim. Saves ya money.
Never heard of Sonicelectronix, are they good? I've heard good things about Crutchfield. I'll wait for more opinions on both amps, not sure I know enough to make that call accurately. Will do on the amp kit, good idea. I thought the Type R's were better, but sticking with one brand and the same type of speaker makes sense. If the JL is better though, then great I'll go with those. Should I run them all the same size? Or should the back be 6 1/2" vs 5 1/4" in the front, or vice versa? Thoughts on this? Thing I don't like about the Kenwood ones I saw is that they're all very flashy, I want it to blend in as much as possible to avoid looking awful. I'll look into the tools, might be worth spending the extra few dollars though I think. Thanks. direraptor22
Wow, that JBL amp... if you're gonna spend so much might as well go with this amp right here: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_71665_SKAR-Audio-SK-1500.1D.html gives you more boom for the buck!
For the sub, I love Sundown Audio, I run 2 x SA12s on about 1700W and they are amazing. Grab one SA12 and build a nice ported box for it tuned to around 32-34Hz and 2 cu ft of space, it'll sound awesome in your ride!
I can't wait to upgrade my subs to 18s down the road, with more power as well. Love to shake other people's rides at stoplights
Bolded: Exactly what I was looking to avoid, I want it to be as contained to my car as possible.  I might look into a single 12" potentially, not sure entirely yet to be honest. I was thinking I need a 5 channel amp, that one you linked only looks to be 1 channel unless I misread? Thanks!
i7 7700K - ASUS Maximus IX Apex - 16GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3466MHz C16 - 5700 XT 50th Anniversary
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 09:54:24
(permalink)
Yes stay with a 5 channel, you don't need a mono block. Also look for sealed sub enclosures as you don't want too much SPL from the sub.
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655
|
Halo_003
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 12859
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2009/03/20 18:18:10
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 51
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 09:56:05
(permalink)
i7 7700K - ASUS Maximus IX Apex - 16GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3466MHz C16 - 5700 XT 50th Anniversary
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 10:21:03
(permalink)
I like your list actually. I like the x700 amp a little more for the money, but that JBL amp is quite awesome in itself. That would be a great system for you.
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655
|
direraptor22
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
- Total Posts : 5717
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/14 00:35:57
- Location: Optimal cruise altitude!
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 16
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 12:22:59
(permalink)
Halo_003
direraptor22
Wow, that JBL amp... if you're gonna spend so much might as well go with this amp right here: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_71665_SKAR-Audio-SK-1500.1D.html gives you more boom for the buck!
For the sub, I love Sundown Audio, I run 2 x SA12s on about 1700W and they are amazing. Grab one SA12 and build a nice ported box for it tuned to around 32-34Hz and 2 cu ft of space, it'll sound awesome in your ride!
I can't wait to upgrade my subs to 18s down the road, with more power as well. Love to shake other people's rides at stoplights
Bolded: Exactly what I was looking to avoid, I want it to be as contained to my car as possible.
I might look into a single 12" potentially, not sure entirely yet to be honest.
I was thinking I need a 5 channel amp, that one you linked only looks to be 1 channel unless I misread?
Thanks!
5 channel is for your mids and highs, monoblock for your subwoofer, unless you want one amp to run everything at once  And yea, I know it's not your thing to have somebody else's car fall apart next to you at a stoplight  but it sure is my thing!! If you don't want so much bang though, consider Sundown's E series subs, they're the most entry level ones and cheaper than the SA series. I love Sundown for their power handling and sound quality!!
“The fascination of flight can't be expressed with words. But it really lies beyond the capabilities of human endeavor. Once you've experienced it, you'll never be able to forget it.” - Friedrich Oblessor
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 12:42:05
(permalink)
Sonicelectronix is on par with Crutchfield in my opinion. I've ordered many parts from sonicelectronix without issue. My current set-up was purchased from multiple places though, to keep down price... I got some pretty awesome deals off of Amazon. I had some issues with one purchase on amazon, not the product it self, but the shipping... Amazon ended up giving me huge discounts on all of it. I still suggest that 5 channel NVX amplifier, it would save you about 100 dollars and perform better than that JBL amplifier for your 4 channels. That JBL amplifier is pushing 350w towards the sub and only 50w per channel at 4 OHM's. My current 4 channel amplifier only cost me 55 dollars brand new and it pushes 60w RMS per channel at 4 OHM's and it's CEA compliant... As for the head unit. I'd suggest this: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_76448_Kenwood-DDX471HD.html You are going to need a wire harness for the head unit like this: http://www.amazon.com/Metra-71-1729-Wiring-Harness-2008-Up/dp/B003E3IOU8 The amplifier wire kit like this: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_38907_Stinger-SK6681.html Make sure your wires are OFC (Oxygen Free Cable.) If you get CCA wire, you get more resistance in your power transfer and you lose about 20% of the power you could be getting with OFC wire. Even with that wire kit, you will also need another RCA cable for the subwoofer. Also, if your open to subwoofer suggestions, i'd check out the Digital Design pre-built enclosures. http://www.ddaudio.com/products/mobile-audio/enclosures/le-m-series That's the best pre-built enclosure i've ever heard. It's properly ported... Many pre-built enclosures are tuned way up in the 43Hz range... Which is way too high to hit those really nice low notes. I've listened to plenty of songs that hit in the 20Hz range... The only crappy thing about Digital Design is... You have to find a local dealer to get one of those. They cost about $250 for the 12".
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
Drerex
CLASSIFIED Member
- Total Posts : 3892
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/10/26 16:29:58
- Location: St. Augustine, FL
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 31
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 12:59:24
(permalink)
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 13:12:14
(permalink)
lol, don't let anyone bamboozle you into buying expensive OFC cables. I purchased copper by the metric tonne in my past career. Most copper is OFC even if not advertised as being so. The conductivity difference between non-OFC copper cable and OFC cable at 50°F is <1%. Also, copper looses conductivity at a rate of 1° for every 5°F increase in temperature.
What does all this mean? Buy cheap non-name brand cables.
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 13:14:54
(permalink)
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 13:16:43
(permalink)
kaninja
lol, don't let anyone bamboozle you into buying expensive OFC cables. I purchased copper by the metric tonne in my past career. Most copper is OFC even if not advertised as being so. The conductivity difference between non-OFC copper cable and OFC cable at 50°F is <1%. Also, copper looses conductivity at a rate of 1° for every 5°F increase in temperature.
What does all this mean? Buy cheap non-name brand cables.
lol... You have no idea what you are talking about here. OFC vs CCA is a real thing. Most OFC wire is also silver tinned, which increases conductivity and helps against corrosion. I've seen it first hand.
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 14:31:16
(permalink)
RainStryke
kaninja
lol, don't let anyone bamboozle you into buying expensive OFC cables. I purchased copper by the metric tonne in my past career. Most copper is OFC even if not advertised as being so. The conductivity difference between non-OFC copper cable and OFC cable at 50°F is <1%. Also, copper looses conductivity at a rate of 1° for every 5°F increase in temperature.
What does all this mean? Buy cheap non-name brand cables.
lol... You have no idea what you are talking about here. OFC vs CCA is a real thing. Most OFC wire is also silver tinned, which increases conductivity and helps against corrosion. I've seen it first hand.
Really, I don't? I was talking about many sellers of OFC cables ridiculous claims, and then you inserted Copper Clad Aluminium wire into the conversation which has no business being there. I was saying OFC wire is indistinguishable from ordinary annealed copper wire in terms of electrical performance in terms of conductivity and corrosion resistance in sealed wire applications. This is a fact. Saying stuff like you could lose 20% of the power you could be getting with OFC wires is an outright lie, or parroted marketing hoopla, neither or which is helpful.
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 14:44:43
(permalink)
I assumed "non-OFC copper cable" was CCA... Don't really know what other mainstream "non-OFC copper cable" you are referring to.
As for my 20% claims on CCA vs OFC, here is some proof:
You do lose 20% of your power when you have aluminum in your wires. Aluminum has more resistance than copper.
Also, non-name brands tend to not be CEA compliant either, which means they don't follow the gauge to spec. Some oversize and some under size and fill in the rest with a thicker insulation. You will often find the under sized ones to be cheaper cause it cost them less to make it cause it's using undersized wire for the spec. Oversized wire can be a pain cause they often don't fit their intended gauge fittings.
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 14:49:36
(permalink)
Aluminum wires (CCA) with a tiny copper coating are not copper wires. I'm talking about the regular copper wires. Aluminum as a conductor is another conversation completely.
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655
|
RainStryke
The Advocate
- Total Posts : 15872
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2007/07/19 19:26:55
- Location: Kansas
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 60
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 15:55:28
(permalink)
Non oxygen free copper wire isn't a common application in car audio, it's not very flexible.
Main PC | Secondary PC
Intel i9 10900K | Intel i7 9700KMSI MEG Z490 ACE | Gigabyte Aorus Z390 MasterASUS TUF RTX 3090 | NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super32GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4000MHz CL18 | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz CL17SuperFlower Platinum SE 1200w | Seasonic X-1250Samsung EVO 970 1TB and Crucial P5 1TB | Intel 760p 1TB and Crucial MX100 512GBCougar Vortex CF-V12HPB x9 | Cougar Vortex CF-V12SPB-RGB x5 3DMark Results:Time Spy|Port Royal
|
kaninja
Omnipotent Enthusiast
- Total Posts : 8755
- Reward points : 0
- Joined: 2008/10/10 23:51:13
- Status: offline
- Ribbons : 25
Re: Thoughts on car mods and speakers (2012 civic)
2014/07/31 16:13:43
(permalink)
RainStryke
Non oxygen free copper wire isn't a common application in car audio, it's not very flexible.
Stop making stuff up. We anneal metals to change their properties and make them malleable. Annealed copper is flexible, oxygen free has nothing to do with making copper flexible or not.
Corsair 650D - i5 3570K @ 4.6GHz - Corsair H80i - MSI Z77 M-Power - 16GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator Platinum WD 1TB Caviar Black x2 - OCZ 120GB Vertex2 SSD - Corsair HX620 - GTX285 SSC - Samsung T240 - DIR-655
|