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2017/02/06 10:26:49 (permalink)
I'm wondering if the Creative sound chip on the Classified supports Dolby Digital Live optical output.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/06 14:11:52 (permalink)
    No it does not :(
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/13 13:45:54 (permalink)
    It should. The recon3d chip it uses supports Dolby Digital live, and the issues with Creative Cards and Dolby live/DTS on Windows 10 was fixed a long while back. Are you using the most recent version of creative's drivers?
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/13 14:08:19 (permalink)
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    It should. The recon3d chip it uses supports Dolby Digital live, and the issues with Creative Cards and Dolby live/DTS on Windows 10 was fixed a long while back. Are you using the most recent version of creative's drivers?

    When the Creative chipset is used on a motherboard it's up to each manufacturer whether they want Dolby Digital enabled. Creative offers the option to all motherboard manufacturers. In the case of EVGA's Classified motherboard that option was not enabled.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/13 22:16:13 (permalink)
    Why offer a high end audio chip if you're not going to enable all its features?

                                   
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 08:13:58 (permalink)
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    Why offer a high end audio chip if you're not going to enable all its features?

    I suspect it would not only add to cost but probably require additional valuable motherboard real estate to implement.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 09:52:06 (permalink)
    If you want good sound you need dedicate sound card. From 2012 when I bought SBZ for Z77 chipset I always search for small PCI-E x1 slot on motherboards. That's necessary, small PCI-E x1 for dedicate sound card. Because really worth investment, people change GPU every 2-3 year and pay 500+ $ for GPU and sound card can't become outdated for 10 years.
    Only difference on motherboards or bad driver support for new OS could force you to change good sound card.  
    Difference from SupremeFX and that's best onboard Audio with improvement every year or two and Sound Blaster Z is more than double.
    Difference from SBZ and better model SBZxR is not so big but almost and clearly visible even on worse speakers. If you have stronger speaker when sound become louder difference become bigger.
    Because of that if you use headphones than maybe even DAC, if not than PCI-E sound card is best solution.
    She could be connected later with AV Reciver, computer to TV and some nice home cinema sound system. 
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 11:07:27 (permalink)
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    Why offer a high end audio chip if you're not going to enable all its features?



    Is Creative Labs Sound Blaster Recon 3Di (CA0132) still considered "high end audio chip" for onboard audio these days. It only supports 6-channels. The chip is like 5 years old now.
     
    It's hard to tell if CA0132 is the latest onboard audio chip from Creative.
     
     
     


     
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 12:24:26 (permalink)
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    Why offer a high end audio chip if you're not going to enable all its features?



    Is Creative Labs Sound Blaster Recon 3Di (CA0132) still considered "high end audio chip" for onboard audio these days. It only supports 6-channels. The chip is like 5 years old now.
     
    It's hard to tell if CA0132 is the latest onboard audio chip from Creative.
     
     
     


    My Recon is five years old and it works fine with my old Yamaha receiver using the optical out at 5:1 output. Like Vlada011 mentions above all you need is one PCI-E x1 slot to run a sound card. My Recon has Dolby Digital Live enabled to feed my receiver.
     
    I'm going to be updating my system this summer and will be going for a RGB theme using the Corsair Crystal 460X case and probably the new EVGA GTX 1070 FTW2 iCX. I'm sure my current Recon would not look good in the design so I'm thinking of upgrading to the Sound Blaster Z. While I'm not going for a red theme, it should look fine as it is a fully enclosed card.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 13:15:23 (permalink)
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    Why offer a high end audio chip if you're not going to enable all its features?



    Is Creative Labs Sound Blaster Recon 3Di (CA0132) still considered "high end audio chip" for onboard audio these days. It only supports 6-channels. The chip is like 5 years old now.
     
    It's hard to tell if CA0132 is the latest onboard audio chip from Creative.
     
     
     


    My Recon is five years old and it works fine with my old Yamaha receiver using the optical out at 5:1 output. Like Vlada011 mentions above all you need is one PCI-E x1 slot to run a sound card. My Recon has Dolby Digital Live enabled to feed my receiver.
     
    I'm going to be updating my system this summer and will be going for a RGB theme using the Corsair Crystal 460X case and probably the new EVGA GTX 1070 FTW2 iCX. I'm sure my current Recon would not look good in the design so I'm thinking of upgrading to the Sound Blaster Z. While I'm not going for a red theme, it should look fine as it is a fully enclosed card.


     
    If you plan on using optical out, why bother upgrade to sound blaster Z over recon. Remember once the lights are out, looks don't matter.
     
    i might try out USB DAC/Headphone Amp later this year. I think it would help drive my PC-350 (150 Ohm) headset.


     
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 13:20:32 (permalink)
    i have always used the tos link for my logitech z5500 speakers, they did the decoding of dolby digital so sound chip really never made a difference to me. im actually thinking of getting the newer z906 as mine are starting to show there age. wonder if this creative chip will really make much difference.

                                   
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 13:56:12 (permalink)
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    i might try out USB DAC/Headphone Amp later this year. I think it would help drive my PC-350 (150 Ohm) headset.

    I'm using a Sound BlasterX G5 and it works great, drives high impedance headphones well and you get 7.1 surround too.
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 14:35:00 (permalink)
    This in my opinion is the best solution for headphones
     
    https://www.mayflowerelectronics.com/shop/digital-to-analog-converters/desktop-objective2-with-odac/
     
    and external means no noise intrusion from PC
     
     

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/14 17:16:43 (permalink)
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    This in my opinion is the best solution for headphones
     
    https://www.mayflowerelectronics.com/shop/digital-to-analog-converters/desktop-objective2-with-odac/
     
    and external means no noise intrusion from PC
     
     



    Or some Schiit. schiit.com
    But yea, I agree. Done with onboard audio, only thing I use it for is my microphone.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/15 13:16:24 (permalink)
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    If you plan on using optical out, why bother upgrade to sound blaster Z over recon. Remember once the lights are out, looks don't matter.
     
    i might try out USB DAC/Headphone Amp later this year. I think it would help drive my PC-350 (150 Ohm) headset.




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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/15 16:48:40 (permalink)
    With the recon being almost all black, i don't think it would be ugly in that RGB themed case. I would see how it looks before spending extra money.  The Sound blaster body is red with one color led inside it.
     
    I'm surprised to see Creative is still using the same old audio chip, they don't support 7.1 or 8 channels.


     
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/15 19:28:22 (permalink)
    I would love to install my components in new Lian-Li PC-O11WX in living room near 4KTV and to connect my sound card to Yamaha AV reciver as well. Price of new RX-A660 Aventage drop to 550$. Probably best choice from Yamaha now. If no money for Marantz SR-5010.
     
     
    Sound Blaster ZxR no Red LED, only SBZ. And it's black from outside.
    If someone want to upgrade from Recon3D better immediately to go on SBZxR.
    Could be find for 180$ sometimes on discounts... She is far from Recon3D. Even SBZ is better but not so big difference.
    SBZxR is beatufull...
     

     
     
    SBZxR and Xonar STX II are excellent because customer could replace op-amps.
    I read on some site comparison and they sad SBZxR with Sparkos Labs op-amps 2x Dual + 2x Single is best PCI-E sound card on the world.
    Better even than Xonar STX II with same op-amps.
     
    This is how card look after upgrade...

     
    Even original shield could be installed again with spacers. But this upgrade cost as one more SBZxR.
     
    post edited by Vlada011 - 2017/02/15 19:34:06

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/15 23:59:37 (permalink)
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    I would love to install my components in new Lian-Li PC-O11WX in living room near 4KTV and to connect my sound card to Yamaha AV reciver as well. Price of new RX-A660 Aventage drop to 550$. Probably best choice from Yamaha now. If no money for Marantz SR-5010.
     
     
    Sound Blaster ZxR no Red LED, only SBZ. And it's black from outside.
    If someone want to upgrade from Recon3D better immediately to go on SBZxR.
    Could be find for 180$ sometimes on discounts... She is far from Recon3D. Even SBZ is better but not so big difference.
    SBZxR is beatufull...
     

     
     
    SBZxR and Xonar STX II are excellent because customer could replace op-amps.
    I read on some site comparison and they sad SBZxR with Sparkos Labs op-amps 2x Dual + 2x Single is best PCI-E sound card on the world.
    Better even than Xonar STX II with same op-amps.
     
    This is how card look after upgrade...

     
    Even original shield could be installed again with spacers. But this upgrade cost as one more SBZxR.
     


     
    Someone has expensive taste.
    $220 SBZxR
    $258 in OP Amps
    $300+ for high end headphones
     
    All that money into audio just to hear a squicker rage at you in a video game.
     
     
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/16 02:33:15 (permalink)
    I don't use headphones, they annoy me.
    I love to hear music in whole room, not on head.
     
    Some speakers like this... pair of this Wharfedale Diamond 225 Black is 290euro in my city and Wharfedale 220c center is now discount from 290 to 190. 
     

     

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/16 08:03:31 (permalink)
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    With the recon being almost all black, i don't think it would be ugly in that RGB themed case. I would see how it looks before spending extra money.  The Sound blaster body is red with one color led inside it.
     
    I'm surprised to see Creative is still using the same old audio chip, they don't support 7.1 or 8 channels.


    For some reason I was thinking the board was green. Thanks, I'll see how it looks first.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/16 09:22:49 (permalink)
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    With the recon being almost all black, i don't think it would be ugly in that RGB themed case. I would see how it looks before spending extra money.  The Sound blaster body is red with one color led inside it.
     
    I'm surprised to see Creative is still using the same old audio chip, they don't support 7.1 or 8 channels.


    For some reason I was thinking the board was green. Thanks, I'll see how it looks first.




    It's this one correct?
     
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102041
     

     


     
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/16 10:55:08 (permalink)
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    With the recon being almost all black, i don't think it would be ugly in that RGB themed case. I would see how it looks before spending extra money.  The Sound blaster body is red with one color led inside it.
     
    I'm surprised to see Creative is still using the same old audio chip, they don't support 7.1 or 8 channels.


    For some reason I was thinking the board was green. Thanks, I'll see how it looks first.




    It's this one correct?
     
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102041
     

     


    Yep, that's the one. I had a bit of trouble awhile back doing a reinstall of the software in that it would not install the Cinematic/Dolby Digital Live feature. After many tries I finally got it. I wonder how this card will work with Windows 10.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/17 01:47:54 (permalink)
    I remember my old Creative audigy 2 ZS giving me fits when installing the software. I'd give that card another try, it could save you $$$ for other hardware.


     
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/19 23:49:38 (permalink)
    Spending money on sound is not wasting money. That's passion same as painting.
    I mean to the one point, paying thousands don't worth for us but other people spend a lot and sit in front hi-fi system and listen their melodies and enjoy in that.
     
    OK some people spend in hundred of thousands dollars on sound.
    But normal people are not capable to recognize difference between few thousands worth sound system and tens of thousands dollar worth sound system.
    Only audio experts are capable to recognize such difference and even to understand what part of system weakest point, cables, ampflier, reciver or speakers. Some audio experts even almost completely success to remove imperfections from speakers and build systems only for enthusiasts who spend money on hi-fi similar as some people pay sports cars. Price of such system depend of what customers ask and how loud is system and could cost even millions. Gershman Accoustics example... Even cables for speakers can't touch floor or wall and special holders hold them to remove any noise from cables. Every component is build and combined with purpose and exactly have own place. But normal ear would not recognize difference between such system from live music and that's purpose and because of that they cost so much, most people would not even recognize difference between such systems and some 20-30.000 worth systems. Such audiophile experts when hear 10.000$ worth hi-fi, from serial production, that's probably funny for them, bad or maybe only average sound.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/20 09:58:21 (permalink)
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    Spending money on sound is not wasting money. That's passion same as painting.
    I mean to the one point, paying thousands don't worth for us but other people spend a lot and sit in front hi-fi system and listen their melodies and enjoy in that.
     
    OK some people spend in hundred of thousands dollars on sound.
    But normal people are not capable to recognize difference between few thousands worth sound system and tens of thousands dollar worth sound system.
    Only audio experts are capable to recognize such difference and even to understand what part of system weakest point, cables, ampflier, reciver or speakers. Some audio experts even almost completely success to remove imperfections from speakers and build systems only for enthusiasts who spend money on hi-fi similar as some people pay sports cars. Price of such system depend of what customers ask and how loud is system and could cost even millions. Gershman Accoustics example... Even cables for speakers can't touch floor or wall and special holders hold them to remove any noise from cables. Every component is build and combined with purpose and exactly have own place. But normal ear would not recognize difference between such system from live music and that's purpose and because of that they cost so much, most people would not even recognize difference between such systems and some 20-30.000 worth systems. Such audiophile experts when hear 10.000$ worth hi-fi, from serial production, that's probably funny for them, bad or maybe only average sound.


     
    It's called smart buying. If all you care about is Dolby digital and optical out, best to just reuse the old sound card if possible.


     
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/20 10:14:46 (permalink)
    I must recommend to average gamers to invest in little better sound card as SBZxR or Xonar STX II because every time when I look something on youtube even on 100$ worth speakers difference is noticable compare to SBZ and that's very good sound card compare to onboard solution.
    I still have impression of improvement several days after replacement SBZ > SBZxR.
    Maybe 200$ sound expensive but you will not use that card less than 5 years.
    And I only compare them in youtube where experience is not even close to some better speakers.
     
    I didn't plan to upgrade sound, I was satisfied with my SBZ, but guy who bought SBZxR couldn't install in case because problems with space and didn't want only main card to keep and thought to sell. I offer him my SBZ and extra money and he almost accept and in last moment decide to keep for self SBZxR. From that moment I start to feel bad and couldn't calm down and only 2 days later I saw on marketplace SBZxR for very nice price give me opportunity to sell my SBZ and to add exactly same price I offered to guy who decide to keep sound card for self. And I couldn't resist.
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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/20 10:45:45 (permalink)
    One thing to keep in mind is that speakers will only sound as good as the recording equipment allows. I don't think recording equipment can yet capture the full immersion of sitting in the sweet spot of a concert hall.

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    Re: Sound Chip Question 2017/02/21 08:06:37 (permalink)
    Vlada011
    I must recommend to average gamers to invest in little better sound card as SBZxR or Xonar STX II because every time when I look something on youtube even on 100$ worth speakers difference is noticable compare to SBZ and that's very good sound card compare to onboard solution.
    I still have impression of improvement several days after replacement SBZ > SBZxR.
    Maybe 200$ sound expensive but you will not use that card less than 5 years.
    And I only compare them in youtube where experience is not even close to some better speakers.
     
    I didn't plan to upgrade sound, I was satisfied with my SBZ, but guy who bought SBZxR couldn't install in case because problems with space and didn't want only main card to keep and thought to sell. I offer him my SBZ and extra money and he almost accept and in last moment decide to keep for self SBZxR. From that moment I start to feel bad and couldn't calm down and only 2 days later I saw on marketplace SBZxR for very nice price give me opportunity to sell my SBZ and to add exactly same price I offered to guy who decide to keep sound card for self. And I couldn't resist.




    The average gamer is cheap, they don't want to spend $200+ on a sound card. The onboard sound that comes with ASUS, GIGABYTE and MSI motherboards is good enough for them. If people care about music quality on the desktop, they would invest in external DAC or DAC/AMP combo.
     
    I'm thinking about giving this combo a try.
    Magni 2 (AMP)
    Modi 2 (DAC)
     
    Creative Sound BlasterX G5 looks nice too.


     
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