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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/01 23:13:24 (permalink)
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Yea, it is weird.  That's why I thought I had it figured out with SLi stuff.  But, as soon as I reinstalled the printer drivers this afternoon and rebooted...bam bsod.  I couldn't even get into safe mode.  Take everything back to stock and all is well. 

OK, so I will give that a try.  As far as the ICH Vcore increase goes...how much are we talking?  A notch or two.  Forgive my n00bness, I have never delved this deep into OC'ing before and don't want to toast my CPU or mobo ;)
 

I just OC'd again tonight.  Tell me what you think.  Right now I'm settings 3623 MHz.  That is a 20 MHz gain over my previous OC.  I followed your guide pretty much by the numbers (except were appropriate) and didn't leave the Vcore, VTT on auto, and disabled vdroop.  My rig seems a little different than before.  I ran linX and was gaining GFlops (45.7104, 45.8227, and 45.8103), and temps never really got much above 53c composite (max per core 76c, 73c ,73c, and 72c @ 100% load during linX). 
 
Could a wrong value in a voltage setting be behind the bsod's (aside from the ICH vcore)?


 
 
 
No. I really dont think so. Stress testing doesnt lie. If you've done enough testing, your voltages are stable.
 
The BSOD should be driver related. I mean if you say you were completely stable, passed beyond 8 hours of testing, and it still BSOD's during boot, resets, and then boots into windows fine and passes all tests with the overclock, and then to top it off, you uninstall a printer driver and it fixes it.



If that is so, I definitely wouldnt be using those drivers anymore, try finding newer ones from the website.
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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/02 05:53:06 (permalink)
I have EVGA Classfied E760 and cpu i7 920 D0. So far, I door turned to 4.5Ghz with the following voltage:
Turbo ON
Multiplier 21x
BCLK 215
cpu voltage 1:45
Dram voltage 1.60
time 8-8-8-24 2:8
Cpu cooled by water. Sat Memory Corsair Dominator 3x1GB 1600Mhz. I wonder what I can change that door turned over 4.5Ghz?
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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/02 16:13:45 (permalink)
Not sure i understand your terminology. Door turned?

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/02 17:25:21 (permalink)
I messed up and posted this in the wrong thread earlier.....got my "guides" confused, lol.

Anyway, here's where I'm at:

Okay, followed the guide, and managed to get all the way up to 225 bclk, then hit a wall and couldn't really go any farther without some kind of major change, so I'm just going to say, for now, that 225 is my max bclk.

Thing is, 225 wasn't giving me the cpu/memory ratio that i wanted, so I backed it down a bit to 215. With cpu cores (15x multi) and memory (2:6) still set very low, I can run and pass LinX all day long....good.

Next step was the memory. I have 1600MHz Mushkin Redline ram, and, using a 2:8 ratio, that puts me at 1715MHz. At stock speed, timings are 6-7-6-18 72, so I loosened these up to 7-8-7-20 110. Just like before, I can run LinX all day without errors.

The problem comes in when I start increasing the multi. I'm trying to get the highest clock speed as possible, obviously, but at 215x21, I get errors in Linx around the 50 minute mark.

I've increased Vcore and it doesn't seem to help. I'm already at a fairly high level of Vcore, so I don't feel too comfortable pushing it much farther, even though I still have a little room left with temps. My hottest core, under full load, is 82C.

Also, when I get this error, I also lose my sound card (PCIe slot Fatal1ity card).

Here's my template. Any suggestions on how to get past this error??

Mother Board ( E-762 )
CPU ( 920 DO )
Memory ( Mushkin 1600MHz 6-7-6-18 )
Operating System ( Windows 7 x64 Home Premium )


Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio ( 21X )
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ( 215 )
MCH Strap ( Auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( 16x )
CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps )
Spread Spectrum ( Disabled )
PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 )


Memory Feature       
Memory Speed (Standard )
Memory Control Setting ( Enabled )
Memory Frequency ( 2:8 )
Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way )
Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way )
Memory Low Gap ( Auto )
tCL Setting ( 7 )
tRCD Setting ( 8 )
tRP Setting ( 7 )
tRAS Setting ( 20 )
tRFC Setting ( 110 )
Command Rate ( 1t )


Voltage Control
EVGA VDroop Control ( Without VDroop )
CPU VCore ( 1.475 )
CPU VTT Voltage ( +200 )
CPU PLL VCore ( 1.800 )
IOH PLL VCore ( 1.80 )
DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )
DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV )
QPI PLL VCore ( 1.20 )
IOH VCore ( 1.40 )
IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( 1.65 )
VTT PWM Frequency ( 610 KHZ )
CPU PWM Frequency ( 1333 KHZ )
CPU Impedance ( Less )
QPI Signal Compensation ( N/A )
ICH VCore ( 1.25 )



CPU Feature
Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled )
Turbo Mode Function ( Enabled )
CxE Function ( Disabled )
Execute Disable Bit ( Disabled )
Virtualization Technology ( Disabled )
Intel HT Technology ( Enabled )
Active Processor Cores ( All )
QPI Control Settings ( Enabled )
QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled )
QPI Frequency Selection ( 4.800 GT/s )
OC Recorvery ( Disabled )

One last note. I've heard of some people increasing PCIE a bit, but I have SSD's, and have been told that anything over 100 is bad. Not sure if that's true or not.
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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/02 17:41:23 (permalink)
Its gotta be the Vcore, you're just not increasing it enough to jump up to that next multiplier. You could try 1.67 vdimm. Test that, if it doesnt help put it back to 1.65. I'm almost certain its vcore though.

 Since you're so close to 85c I would just call it quits and drop back to 214bclck w/turbo mode  (21x Multi)
Wish I could do 4.4ghz with your temps, even though I would not use that for 24/7, its just overkill for me. I only have 2 GTX 280's.
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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/02 19:23:49 (permalink)
Guys what are max temps like?  I have been running at 4.1GHz for some time now, but took a moment to run a LinX test with 12GB of RAM (all) selected, and my core temps went to like 80C and my "CPU" temp went to 78C via EVGA E-LEET, yet my system is 24/7 stable and does gaming and media center without issue.  What gives?

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/03 12:50:58 (permalink)
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Its gotta be the Vcore, you're just not increasing it enough to jump up to that next multiplier.


You were right. I disabled Turbo, and increased bclk to 220, which put me at 4.389GHz, and that took 1.500V Vcore to be stable for 20 passes of LinX (25k problem size).

Hottest core ended up being 86C, coldest core was 79C.

I'm quite disappointed that this chip needs so much voltage coming from a good batch like this. Oh well, luck of the draw I guess, and I don't have much luck when it comes to things like this.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/03 13:20:48 (permalink)
Yea i was bummed out too. Mine came from a great batch but i'm going to need some serious cooling to get higher than 4.3ghz.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/03 13:34:32 (permalink)
Even though it's stable in LinX, I just ran Vantage and it locked up during the cpu test, which probably means even MORE voltage. I'm getting fed up with this 920. It's getting real close to Ebay time.

I think I'm going back to the 975. I was hoping to save some money by swapping over to a 920, but getting one that clocks well, with low to moderate voltage, AND moderate temps seems like a needle in a haystack. At least with the 975, I was able to get it to 4.52GHz with a decent bclk, and get my memory to its *exact* rated speed, all within one day and temps were the same as where I'm at now.

I'm sure there are better 920's out there than what I have, but all in all, I'll take the 975 over the 920 any day. The 920 just takes too much work, lol.



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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/03 14:00:26 (permalink)
yea 4.5ghz with your ram at 2000mhz. pretty frickin sweet. I would get that back in a hearbeat.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/06 00:53:55 (permalink)
Hey Chronic,

I just wanted to give u a big thanks for this guide!  I'm a newbie OC'er and this was my first rig built from scratch and first time OC'ing.  I think i've finally found some stability after tweaking this thing for the past couple nights.  I just passed 40 Linx tests of All memory (ran for about 3 hours).

I'm running 3.8ghz with a 1.29 Vcore under load (Set to 1.25625v in Bios).  Max core temp was 75. 

I just ran 3DMark and had no issues so I think i'm pretty stable.  I think i'll take my chances with those 40 passes, rather than doing the 100 passes, that would take forever! haha. 

For anyone who might want to see my settings as a reference, See pics of my BIOS settings in links below.

http://i15.photobucket.co...s%20Settings/Bios5.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.co...s%20Settings/Bios4.jpg
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http://i15.photobucket.co...s%20Settings/Bios1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.co...ios%20Settings/cpu.jpg


Anyways,  Just wanted to say thanks! This was perfect for me as a beginner.  I'm probably going to still try to adjust the memory timings to see if i can get the ram speed a little closer to 1600 but we'll see how that goes.

Any feedback on my current settings would be appreciated!






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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/06 16:53:54 (permalink)
The best way to assure stability is to run different tests while you sleep. Linx does the same test over and over while prime95 or OCCT have multiple test options. I remember running prime95 blend for 30 hours! I never run tests that long anymore. Most I do now is 7-8 hours of LinX and then 10 hours of prime95 blend, all while I sleep. If you want you can do small fft's one night, and large fft's another. If you can pass 3 hours of LinX and a full round of Prime95 blend, then you will "most likely" pass everything else.

Full round of prime95 blend takes about 10-11 hours. The test starts at 1024k, and it should take about 10 hours for it to get back to 1024k again.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/07 09:23:14 (permalink)
I just passed the Prime95 Blend stress test last night.  Average temp was like 70.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/07 15:04:38 (permalink)
Nice LP_sk8er, Now try speeding up that ram by lowering the timings.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/07 15:12:52 (permalink)
Any suggestions on what timings to try?  I was planning on doing some reading/googling about memory timings, etc today after work.    I'm not really familiar with what numbers affect what.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/07 15:20:40 (permalink)
The first number is the CAS Latency and it provides the most performance when lowered. for example 8-8-8-24 to 7-8-8-24.

I would try 8-8-8-24 first and then maybe 7-7-7-20

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/08 09:34:25 (permalink)
As an update, I ended up settling with 4.2GHz (200x21) with Turbo enabled. This seems to be a "sweet spot" for this chip. Everything is running great, and I only need 1.30 Vcore.

I also got my Corsair Dominator GT 2000MHz 7-8-7-20 ram back from RMA, and am running them at 2000MHz 7-7-7-20 with only 1.60V.

All in all, I was able to achieve a BCLK of 228, but couldn't get the cores stable at anything higher than 4.3GHz. I'm sure if I spent enough time trying various different settings, I could have gotten it, but I just don't have that kind of time lately, and I'm very happy with 4.2GHz, even though I've ultimately decided to go back to my 975, and sell the 920.

The 920 is a great chip for the price, but it just takes SO much time to overclock vs. the 975.

Anyway, thank you very much for posting this guide, XXChronicXX, and thank you to everyone else that also helped me out. I appreciate it.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/08 09:41:02 (permalink)
Chronic Great Job my friend,

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/08 09:48:06 (permalink)
Thanks guys, this is stuff I love to hear.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/08 16:01:17 (permalink)
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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/08 16:25:36 (permalink)
Beautiful Guide. Well deserved BR. Good Info and Nicely explained. Thank you.


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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/08 23:53:02 (permalink)
Hey Chronic, just an update on how it went with my ram timings.  I tried 8-8-8-24, but it didn't show any improvement in the speed, it was exactly the same.

Next I tried 8-8-8-20, and the computer wouldn't boot.  Had to clear cmos and re-enter my bios settings.
Tried 7-7-7-20 and same thing, pc wouldn't boot, restored bios.

I'm not sure what else to really try, I think I might just stick with the stock timings, 9-9-9-24.  

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/09 11:01:40 (permalink)
What type of benchmark did you do for the ram? Its true, you wont see an improvement but it is there.
I would try lowering the multiplier and raise bclck til you hit 1600mhz. Should be 19x multiplier and 200 bclck. or 201 bclck. That will give you 3.8ghz with your ram at 1600mhz, and you shouldn't have to raise your vcore. You will have to raise VTT though. Leave your ram at stock speed, timings and voltage.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/09 17:53:16 (permalink)
this is great info. thanks!

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/11 00:14:13 (permalink)
Thank you. Glad I could help

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/11 03:32:10 (permalink)
I would like to know if CPU and VTT PWM frequency make any difference at all in overclocking. The only diffence i got was 3-4 C more on my PWM and 1-2 C more on Cpu when i changed from default to max values. Otherwise the vtt volt and vcore was exactly the same to pass linx. Any info on this?

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/12 22:37:07 (permalink)
The PWM provides cleaner power to the CPU. Sometimes this will let you lower vcore 1 notch but not always.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/13 04:47:07 (permalink)
So there is no real reason to play with them...Default is just fine.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/13 10:10:43 (permalink)
yup. pretty much.

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Re:Simple i7 Overclocking for Dummies :) 2010/01/13 10:43:51 (permalink)
helped me get 3.9 fairly easy with having to work one of the 2 days i got it dialed it.  Great guide thanks for the time you put into it.
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