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Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified?

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2014/09/20 14:28:38 (permalink)
As the title says, should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti Classified to the regular, non-Superclocked GTX 980 with ACX 2.0 (since it's the only one available for Step-Up at the moment) or should I wait for the Superclocked or the Classified version to come out?
 
I purchased my GTX 780 Ti 71-72 days ago.
 
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 14:34:09 (permalink)
    In my opinion, they are all the same. Performance difference will be minimal if not noticable. It would take 980 Ti to see some noticable difference. No matter how you brand it, 980 is 980. I would go for acx 2.0 rather than paying extra $100 for classified version. :(

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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 15:19:16 (permalink)
    I'd say it depends on whether or not you like to overclock your GPU or run it at whatever speed it comes at out of the box.
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 15:33:30 (permalink)
    The step up program normally only allows the reference version of the gpu as the card that is allowed to be chosen as the step up choice. Are they changing the rules for the 900 series? If not, then the classified is out of the wu still, so your answer would be the reference 980. If they do change the rules, then go for the classified.

    Make sure you read the rules in depth.

    *whoops* miss read your question. If you have the option to step up to the reference card, you should take it. You will save yourself a lot of money that way.
    post edited by Scarlet-Tech - 2014/09/20 15:37:28
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 15:37:45 (permalink)
    I would Step Up. No doubt at all. Besides...You might get lucky and it will out overclock all the Classifieds... It is all luck of the draw...
     
    Look at it like this as well... Which GPU in two months will hold more value if you decide to sell and get a Classy? The 780 or 980?

     
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 21:14:29 (permalink)
    shinobier
    In my opinion, they are all the same. Performance difference will be minimal if not noticable. It would take 980 Ti to see some noticable difference. No matter how you brand it, 980 is 980. I would go for acx 2.0 rather than paying extra $100 for classified version. :(


    Since I'm stepping up and I have a GTX 780 Ti, I 'll only have to pay for shipping, no matter which 980 I choose.

    Scarlet-Tech
    The step up program normally only allows the reference version of the gpu as the card that is allowed to be chosen as the step up choice. Are they changing the rules for the 900 series? If not, then the classified is out of the wu still, so your answer would be the reference 980. If they do change the rules, then go for the classified.

    Make sure you read the rules in depth.

    *whoops* miss read your question. If you have the option to step up to the reference card, you should take it. You will save yourself a lot of money that way.


    In the list of GPUs that I can Step Up to, the GTX 980 with ACX 2.0 is among them. In fact, it's the only GTX 980 in the list.
    post edited by xTurK - 2014/09/20 21:19:11
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 21:22:56 (permalink)
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    I would Step Up. No doubt at all. Besides...You might get lucky and it will out overclock all the Classifieds... It is all luck of the draw...
     
    Look at it like this as well... Which GPU in two months will hold more value if you decide to sell and get a Classy? The 780 or 980?


    But this all depends on if the Superclocked or Classified comes out within 18 days from now. And doesn't the Classified have better cooling since it's bigger? If not, I'll Step Up to the regular ACX 2.0 and overclock it myself.
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 21:24:22 (permalink)
    Wait for Classy!

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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 21:31:15 (permalink)
    Maybe I misunderstood you. Did the 780 not cost more or roughly the same as the 980 reference is now? If so, when you Step Up you get full value. That is not what you will get in the open market if you sell the 780.
     
    All I was suggesting is this... I would step up. This way I hold more "Value" in my hands. And if the Classy comes out and I wanted it, I know I could sell the new step up 980 for about $100 more than I could the 780... I am thinking value and timing.
     
    Additionally, the likelihood of the Classy going on the Step Up list is like me winning the lottery...

     
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 21:31:59 (permalink)
    I would wait also 

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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 21:38:26 (permalink)
     I would do what Afterburner says. Reference card is all that you can step up to. So if the classy comes out within your step up period you still would not be to step up to it.
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 21:44:10 (permalink)
    In this post EVGA_JacobF said the 980 classy will be out mid-late Oct.
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 21:58:19 (permalink)
    I'm 99.9% sure you will not be able to step up to the classified. I'm surprise that EVGA even allowed us to get the ACX version for the same price as the vanilla 980.
     
    I'm debating if I should step up from my 780 in my other system to the 970 or 980 and sell my 780ti. I still got 50 days to decide.

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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/20 22:15:40 (permalink)
    I would not step up from GTX780Ti to GTX980 reference.
    EVGA will not allow Superclocked and Classified version because they test them, change BIOS and want to offer for buyers who choose EVGA because advantage of higher clock. And for reference GTX980 difference is very little. From other side GTX780 to GTX980 have more sense.
     
    Special Classified model, I even expect to some of customer get chance to buy month after launch because people will be interested for that model.
    They get stronger card than K|NGP|N Classified for several percent for about 600$.
    OK we pay for same performance 150-200$ more but we got same performance 10 months earlier.

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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 01:50:34 (permalink)
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    Maybe I misunderstood you. Did the 780 not cost more or roughly the same as the 980 reference is now? If so, when you Step Up you get full value. That is not what you will get in the open market if you sell the 780.
     
    All I was suggesting is this... I would step up. This way I hold more "Value" in my hands. And if the Classy comes out and I wanted it, I know I could sell the new step up 980 for about $100 more than I could the 780... I am thinking value and timing.
     
    Additionally, the likelihood of the Classy going on the Step Up list is like me winning the lottery...


    Yeah, I guess I will Step Up then. However, I currently have a 780 Ti, not a 780. I know the difference isn't huge, but it's still there and it's free. My plan is to send a Step Up request (which will take long to process, I'm sure) and if either the Superclocked or Classified comes out for Step Up in that time, I'll cancel the request.

    awalleyeguy
     I would do what Afterburner says. Reference card is all that you can step up to. So if the classy comes out within your step up period you still would not be to step up to it.


    Actually, the only 980 that I can Step Up to is the ACX 2.0 version. I attached a screenshot for proof (sorry for mobile).
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 06:29:00 (permalink)
    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 06:52:13 (permalink)
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    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best



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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 07:50:03 (permalink)
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 09:49:14 (permalink)
    Yeah, you paid 700 + dollars for the classified ti and want to step "up" to a 500 dollar card that performs about the same... I guess the only plus will be that the 980 has more vram and will hold its resale value higher longer, as the ti is the older card now. 
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 13:15:47 (permalink)
    Ntrain96
    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best


    markd76
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.


    The 980 actually beats the 780 Ti in almost all benchmarks. On top of that, I play at 1440p so the extra VRAM helps. Also, the smaller amount of CUDA cores and the 256-bit interface are compensated with stronger cores and an improved texture decoder.
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 13:22:06 (permalink)
    I woud step up if you have the extra money :) 
     
    Just wait, The drivers will be better and the 980 will be better and better...

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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 15:12:52 (permalink)
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    Ntrain96
    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best


    markd76
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.


    The 980 actually beats the 780 Ti in almost all benchmarks. On top of that, I play at 1440p so the extra VRAM helps. Also, the smaller amount of CUDA cores and the 256-bit interface are compensated with stronger cores and an improved texture decoder.

    Actually incorrect. I just got my GTX 980. When clock adjusted, the 780 ti benches slightly better clock for clock than the 980. Fire Strike, Heaven and Valley all run literally a few points higher with my base 780 ti's than the 980. Half the games I have also at the same clock run nearly identical in framerates or up to about 10% slower on the 980. Its very close, but the 780ti still edges out the 980.
     
       Basically consider the GTX 980 a very power efficient version of Keplar with performance that's between the 780 and 780 ti when clock adjusted.
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 15:18:33 (permalink)
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    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best


    markd76
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.


    The 980 actually beats the 780 Ti in almost all benchmarks. On top of that, I play at 1440p so the extra VRAM helps. Also, the smaller amount of CUDA cores and the 256-bit interface are compensated with stronger cores and an improved texture decoder.

    Actually incorrect. I just got my GTX 980. When clock adjusted, the 780 ti benches slightly better clock for clock than the 980. Fire Strike, Heaven and Valley all run literally a few points higher with my base 780 ti's than the 980. Half the games I have also at the same clock run nearly identical in framerates or up to about 10% slower on the 980. Its very close, but the 780ti still edges out the 980.
     
       Basically consider the GTX 980 a very power efficient version of Keplar with performance that's between the 780 and 780 ti when clock adjusted.


    What about all the benchmarks showing that the 980 beats the 780 Ti, then? Namely this one: 
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 18:00:12 (permalink)
    I would say that wait till the last minute to step-up. Just in case Nvidia gives us a 980ti. The step up from a 780ti to 980ti would make sense especially given the price point between the 780ti and the 980.
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 19:37:18 (permalink)
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    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best


    markd76
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.


    The 980 actually beats the 780 Ti in almost all benchmarks. On top of that, I play at 1440p so the extra VRAM helps. Also, the smaller amount of CUDA cores and the 256-bit interface are compensated with stronger cores and an improved texture decoder.

    Actually incorrect. I just got my GTX 980. When clock adjusted, the 780 ti benches slightly better clock for clock than the 980. Fire Strike, Heaven and Valley all run literally a few points higher with my base 780 ti's than the 980. Half the games I have also at the same clock run nearly identical in framerates or up to about 10% slower on the 980. Its very close, but the 780ti still edges out the 980.
     
       Basically consider the GTX 980 a very power efficient version of Keplar with performance that's between the 780 and 780 ti when clock adjusted.


    What about all the benchmarks showing that the 980 beats the 780 Ti, then? Namely this one: 


    No link.............lol
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 20:04:02 (permalink)
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    Ntrain96
    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best


    markd76
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.


    The 980 actually beats the 780 Ti in almost all benchmarks. On top of that, I play at 1440p so the extra VRAM helps. Also, the smaller amount of CUDA cores and the 256-bit interface are compensated with stronger cores and an improved texture decoder.

    Actually incorrect. I just got my GTX 980. When clock adjusted, the 780 ti benches slightly better clock for clock than the 980. Fire Strike, Heaven and Valley all run literally a few points higher with my base 780 ti's than the 980. Half the games I have also at the same clock run nearly identical in framerates or up to about 10% slower on the 980. Its very close, but the 780ti still edges out the 980.
     
       Basically consider the GTX 980 a very power efficient version of Keplar with performance that's between the 780 and 780 ti when clock adjusted.


    What about all the benchmarks showing that the 980 beats the 780 Ti, then? Namely this one: 


    No link.............lol




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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/21 20:11:12 (permalink)
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    Ntrain96
    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best


    markd76
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.


    The 980 actually beats the 780 Ti in almost all benchmarks. On top of that, I play at 1440p so the extra VRAM helps. Also, the smaller amount of CUDA cores and the 256-bit interface are compensated with stronger cores and an improved texture decoder.

    Actually incorrect. I just got my GTX 980. When clock adjusted, the 780 ti benches slightly better clock for clock than the 980. Fire Strike, Heaven and Valley all run literally a few points higher with my base 780 ti's than the 980. Half the games I have also at the same clock run nearly identical in framerates or up to about 10% slower on the 980. Its very close, but the 780ti still edges out the 980.
     
       Basically consider the GTX 980 a very power efficient version of Keplar with performance that's between the 780 and 780 ti when clock adjusted.


    What about all the benchmarks showing that the 980 beats the 780 Ti, then? Namely this one: 


    No link.............lol


    Now now... 
     
    http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/1628-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-game-fps-benchmark-review/Page-3 
     
    http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980-vs-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti 
     
    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-gtx-980-review/1100-6422419/ 
     
    I am also feeling the need to remind that the lower power usage might translate into less heat...

     
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/22 09:28:00 (permalink)
    Well, I'm happy about the fact that the 980 uses about a third less power than the 780 Titanium. My old 480 SC gets up to 88° C when running Valley benchmark using Extreme HD presets, and nothing is overclocked.

    What about the decreased memory bandwidth, CUDA cores and texture fill rates? Won't they be factors in performance?

    GTX 780 Ti Specs:
    http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780-ti/specifications 

    GTX 980 Specs:
    http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-980/specifications 
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/22 10:46:36 (permalink)
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    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best


    markd76
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.


    The 980 actually beats the 780 Ti in almost all benchmarks. On top of that, I play at 1440p so the extra VRAM helps. Also, the smaller amount of CUDA cores and the 256-bit interface are compensated with stronger cores and an improved texture decoder.

    Actually incorrect. I just got my GTX 980. When clock adjusted, the 780 ti benches slightly better clock for clock than the 980. Fire Strike, Heaven and Valley all run literally a few points higher with my base 780 ti's than the 980. Half the games I have also at the same clock run nearly identical in framerates or up to about 10% slower on the 980. Its very close, but the 780ti still edges out the 980.
     
       Basically consider the GTX 980 a very power efficient version of Keplar with performance that's between the 780 and 780 ti when clock adjusted.


    What about all the benchmarks showing that the 980 beats the 780 Ti, then? Namely this one: 


    No link.............lol


    Now now... 
     
    http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/1628-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-game-fps-benchmark-review/Page-3 
     
    http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980-vs-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti 
     
    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-gtx-980-review/1100-6422419/ 
     
    I am also feeling the need to remind that the lower power usage might translate into less heat...


    Yep we can post all the benches we want, problem is no one is still showing the IQ to understand what Im saying. Clock for clock the 780 ti still performs better. The 980 achieves its better benchmark scores through a 30% higher clock rate of 1127mhz. They are comparing it against the standard clock rate of 875mhz of the 780ti. Jack the 780ti up to 1127mhz base clock and then we have the 780 ti out performing the 980. But even with the stock clock deficiency the 780ti still out performs the 980 on some benchmarks here and there......again at stock 875mhz base clock.
     
       My standard reference vanilla 780ti runs at 1137mhz stock and it benches out significantly higher than what those review benchmarks show. And I can OC it to 1300mhz 100% stable(Though I do run water blocks)as well too.
     
      The OP has a 780ti classified. If I can run my vanilla 780ti all day long at 1300mhz on water, then I'm sure with a classified he can hit pretty close to that air cooled.
     
      A 980 is a side grade for 780 ti owners. I think the OP is better off sticking with his classifieds and water cooling them if anything.
     
       
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    Re: Should I Step-Up my GTX 780 Ti to a GTX 980 ACX 2.0 or wait for the Classified? 2014/09/22 10:58:15 (permalink)
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    A 980 isnt even really a step up over a 780ti.......more like sidestep.......at best


    markd76
    According to the specs, the 980 is a repackaged 770 with more vram. Your 780 Ti will kill the 980.


    The 980 actually beats the 780 Ti in almost all benchmarks. On top of that, I play at 1440p so the extra VRAM helps. Also, the smaller amount of CUDA cores and the 256-bit interface are compensated with stronger cores and an improved texture decoder.

    Actually incorrect. I just got my GTX 980. When clock adjusted, the 780 ti benches slightly better clock for clock than the 980. Fire Strike, Heaven and Valley all run literally a few points higher with my base 780 ti's than the 980. Half the games I have also at the same clock run nearly identical in framerates or up to about 10% slower on the 980. Its very close, but the 780ti still edges out the 980.
     
       Basically consider the GTX 980 a very power efficient version of Keplar with performance that's between the 780 and 780 ti when clock adjusted.


    What about all the benchmarks showing that the 980 beats the 780 Ti, then? Namely this one: 


    No link.............lol


    Now now... 
     
    http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/1628-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-game-fps-benchmark-review/Page-3 
     
    http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-980-vs-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti 
     
    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-gtx-980-review/1100-6422419/ 
     
    I am also feeling the need to remind that the lower power usage might translate into less heat...


    Yep we can post all the benches we want, problem is no one is still showing the IQ to understand what Im saying. Clock for clock the 780 ti still performs better. The 980 achieves its better benchmark scores through a 30% higher clock rate of 1127mhz. They are comparing it against the standard clock rate of 875mhz of the 780ti. Jack the 780ti up to 1127mhz base clock and then we have the 780 ti out performing the 980. But even with the stock clock deficiency the 780ti still out performs the 980 on some benchmarks here and there......again at stock 875mhz base clock.
     
       My standard reference vanilla 780ti runs at 1137mhz stock and it benches out significantly higher than what those review benchmarks show. And I can OC it to 1300mhz 100% stable(Though I do run water blocks)as well too.
     
      The OP has a 780ti classified. If I can run my vanilla 780ti all day long at 1300mhz on water, then I'm sure with a classified he can hit pretty close to that air cooled.
     
      A 980 is a side grade for 780 ti owners. I think the OP is better off sticking with his classifieds and water cooling them if anything.
     
       




     
    Do you have any clock for clock comparisons you can point to? I'm really interested in seeing an overclocked 780 Ti vs an overclocked 980. 
     
    My Ti SC is hovering around 1200 under load. What is the 980 maxing out at?
     
    I'll also add on Unigine Heaven with everything maxed out at 1080p (moving up to 1440 in a few months) I'm hitting a score of around 1704, fps min of 25 max of 140.
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