seta8967
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 01:50:55
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The main issues with hardline is all the fittings are more expensive, it's hugely more time consuming to setup, and if you change anything in your system it's a PITA because stuff won't line up and it's back to cutting and bending tube. Hell even if you want to replace a video card in a SLI setup or upgrade CPUs, how much of a theatrical event is that when there's no give in the plumbing? It looks nice and clean, but there's no functional advantage that I can come up with over plasticizer free tubing.
jayZTwoCents on YouTube did a video where he went from 780's to 980's... he reused the same hardline tubing, because it fit exactly the same on both. he went the Z platform (z87, i think) over to the x99, and only had to move the CPU bend 1/4' if you do it right, there isn't much to change. If you buy a company that doesn't manufacture the same every time, you will run into issues. If you buy from someone like EK, who keeps everything consistent, setting it up once will transfer to other systems.
IF I hardline in the Nateman block, I will not be able to reuse the tubing because it will not be the same no matter what I use it with.
I knew I saw someone reusing a hardline I just couldnt remember the source, but I believe it was jayz2cents.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 04:05:51
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Hardline tubing would be the last possible choice for a true overclocker. As often as your switching out hardware (destroying it) and trying different flow paths its just madness. If your the form over function type then by all means. Thats just for the guys that make a beautiful setup and just leave it alone. Nothing wrong with that at all, it just isnt very overclocker savvy. I would even prefer thicker GPU blocks so that the fittings can go on TOP of the unit so card can come in and out easier then side mounted ones, but thats just my humble opinion from my overclocking days when I would switch out components every couple of hours for benching (oh yea... and troubleshooting). But then my computer looked more like a science experiment then a personal computer. You guys haven't even seen some of the other stuff I have worked on just waiting to be brought to light. ;) But yea, I think a prototype ACB just got a green light. I will make a plastic prototype to test out the machining operations, or perhaps aluminum so it can actually be tested... but it cant work simply because its a completely different method to sealing the block. and hell yea for (Dave) automotive clamps. they keep your car from leaking and its a much more hostile environment then the computer.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 05:11:24
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I am only doing hard-tubing this round for the aesthetics, since most of these systems will be for folding only. When I go for other hardware, tubing won't be required anyway ;-)
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 07:39:28
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Most people who upgrade frequently tend to have a pretty 24/7 rig and a separate benching rig with the last gen hardware passed on to the 24/7 rig. That way you can have your cake and eat it too.
Nateman: Perhaps now it's worth asking for name suggestions for the block? "Nateman Doo block" is my generic name for it at the moment.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 07:42:12
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I don't think I will ever put my benchmarking hardware into a case. Just too much of a hassle to work around that stuff when I can simply set it on a box or test bench.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 08:24:50
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I don't think I will ever put my benchmarking hardware into a case. Just too much of a hassle to work around that stuff when I can simply set it on a box or test bench.
Agreed, i think I would get a wetbench or caselabs benchs...
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 08:54:56
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Exactly, hence why aesthetics really don't play much of a role there. Soft tubing, quick disconnects and external rads are key.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 10:49:19
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I bought ln2 pots to replace tubing. Much more aesthetically pleasing in general.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 10:50:41
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Holy cow, never thought I would bring up this much conversation about not getting people needs for compression fitting :) Some people are passionate about it, which I guess is a good thing, and why we are all here at one level or another.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 10:51:37
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 11:40:40
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I used to make LN2 pots back in the day. Now i have a HUGE lathe and haven't made a single one.
Hose clamps are the best. I use them sometimes but most of the time I don't even really use them when I do my leak tests. I use a type of 3/8" surgical type tubing which just sits snug on the bitspower fittings and it doesn't come off. Even if I leak test something for days. I put chilled water in (with no rad) so that the water heats up eventually and builds pressure. Still holds.
Perhaps someone here can come up with a name for the block. I always toyed around with a name/logo but just haven't really been that passionate about it. One reason I can't think of a name for it, is that I don't really make "product lines". If I make an improvement to the cpu block I make the improvement. Not like I make a low budget one, and a high end one. About the only product name I came up with was the ACB, which just is short for the Air Cooled Block. My creativity just isn't there when it comes to naming.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 11:42:04
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Scarlet-Tech
I bought ln2 pots to replace tubing. Much more aesthetically pleasing in general.
You would probably be a prime candidate for one of my secret projects in super cooling... But that will be at another time.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 12:04:11
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I bought ln2 pots to replace tubing. Much more aesthetically pleasing in general.
You would probably be a prime candidate for one of my secret projects in super cooling...
But that will be at another time.
You are such a tease with that stuff! Hmm, I also have some branding ideas for you. UI think you should bust out the pic from your old sig the Yoda Mr T hybrid pic... "Pity the foo who uses not these products, I do." Could be a great motto/mascot for your business. I will get back to you with my ideas later.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 12:06:24
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2 trademarks (A-team, and Star wars) that I sadly can't touch ;)
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 12:53:17
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lol "I pity you fools" CPU block
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/14 20:31:49
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I bought ln2 pots to replace tubing. Much more aesthetically pleasing in general.
You would probably be a prime candidate for one of my secret projects in super cooling...
But that will be at another time.
You know I am game. Bring on the fun.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 12:50:06
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Is it time?  Coming soon
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 12:55:56
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hummm...US govt issued paper towels?! Looks just like that kind I have here.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 13:01:31
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Oh is it now? What are the odds! I don't suppose you have this kind of screws over there too?  
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 14:08:34
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EKWB has released a rebuttal to your block. This is the Supremacy Evo x99 Specific Block: "EK-Supremacy EVO X99 is the highest performance CPU water block for Intel® X99 / LGA-2011-3 platform and comes with pre-assembled, error-preventing mounting mechanism. The result is a perfect installation which results in optimal performance every time." -EKWB Webmaster (don't know which of you typed this up lol) I will be ordering one of these and I am HIGHLY considering RMAing my CPU to see if I can get one that runs cooler after testing this one out. If 3 separate blocks perform the same, then it is the CPU and they should take a look at the possibility that 8 cores is really hard to cool down.  Oh, and this is NOT the correct thread, but LinusTechTips has installed an 18.. yes, eighteen... core xeon 2699 v3 into a mITX case with a Titan X.. and with 18 cores, it runs cooler than this CPU. Yes, the CPU only boosts to 3.6ghz, but.. 18 cores... that is 10 more... Here, watch for yourself:
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 14:24:06
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Let's see Nates go head to head with this, that would be awesome. And then his aircooled will beat it by even more.
VSG28 time to compare Natemans waterblock vs the new Evo.....
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 14:39:52
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That EK block is the same as the Evo, just with fewer parts. Mounting is from from the Supremacy MX which does make installation a breeze I will say. So the tests done (and shared by Nateman in here already) still stand. While I am writing up the review of the Nateman Doo block (Come on people, suggest some names here!) here's another teaser: 
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 14:47:34
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Not the best at naming stuff... but it looks pretty groovy to me.
Got a couple ideas I will pass onto the man himself see what he thinks......
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 14:51:42
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Dave, if you could help him develop a precise mounting to remove any guess work (I imagine this would need Intel socket 3D scans or similar information) that would be great also. That combined with the flat cold plate here means that TIM spread is different than typical CPU blocks- not a biggie but just needs to be accounted for before final installation.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 15:34:10
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Dave, if you could help him develop a precise mounting to remove any guess work (I imagine this would need Intel socket 3D scans or similar information) that would be great also. That combined with the flat cold plate here means that TIM spread is different than typical CPU blocks- not a biggie but just needs to be accounted for before final installation.
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/guides/xeon-e5-v3-thermal-guide.pdf and there's also cad files:  Dunno if the files are "confidential" though.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 15:36:39
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Ok then it's done: http://thermalbench.com/2015/05/20/nateman-doo-cpu-waterblock/ Here's what Nateman pulled out of his magic hat:  That's machined polycarbonate!    As far as the results, it's already in this thread. I already pointed out the mounting part, and the nature of the block essentially being a two piece setup will allow for further customization. At this point I would consider this a v1 prototype and I am definitely eager to see what he does next.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 15:54:11
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There's several design suggestions I would offer. First being the top is not going to adequately fan out the coolant stream to all the fins. EK puts a kink in their top before hitting the jet plate to confuse the flow more and make it so it spreads out better. Also, they put the inlet right on top of the die because that's where they're going to get max turbulence. The copper fins are spaced far apart and coolant is going to have a laminar flow through it. Breaking up the channels with "steps" will restrict flow some, but create more turbulence.
One unorthodox design that might be worth trying - have 2 inlets on the outer edges and effectively dual jet plates. Then use the center as the outlet. Two jet streams crashing into each other and getting forced up like a geyser is going to create massive symmetrical turbulence over the die.
I'm also wondering why one one uses tops that are thicker than .5". Thicker would give more room to be clever.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 16:00:12
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Thicker tops are usually to accommodate the jetplates underneath, with some jetplates being as much as 0.1mm thick at times! Other than that it comes down to the thickness of the material that is available for purchase- that's why you will see that full metal tops are sometimes not the same height as plexi or acetal tops.
Yeah I had sent him a few suggestions via email including the spreader idea, more ideas would be cool though.
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/20 18:07:08
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That is pretty slick, I can see room for some optimizations but overall this is a great first offering, especially for the temps you gave this has EXCELLENT potential!
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Re: Request for 2011-3 Nateman CPU Block.
2015/05/21 06:07:03
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I like how this community has come together after scarlet talked to others like myself about this 5960x issue. Nateman building a prototype and getting decent results. Now what i really love is that instead of just forgetting the project everyone has come together to improve the block and make it the best damn block there is. It almost makes me feel emotions.
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