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2015/03/31 13:16:02 (permalink)
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-coming-summer/
 
Interesting how NVidia will market the 980TI with the higher clock speed but less vRam(6GB).
 
If this is indeed true, i'm waiting for the 980TI as i won't be needing more then 6GB of VRam unti
i go 4K..and even then i'm not sure i'll need it. 
 
Also i can SLI the 980TI for some $600 less in cost.
 
This may well be another case where the Titan is outperformed by the XX80TI model but still has a higher
price point.
 
Personally, i'm not risking 1K on the Titan-X until i see what the 980TI is priced at and if indeed the faster
gpu.
 
I got burned before with the Titan and the 780TI released later in 2013 for some $350 cheaper.
 
But that time 6GB was important for a 2 yr gpu, and i'm not sure if over 6GB is really needed in
the near future?
 
Your thoughts?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 13:25:41 (permalink)
    980Ti will not be faster than Titan X if released. Making the 980Ti faster than Titan X would hurt flagship sales.
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 13:35:11 (permalink)
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    980Ti will not be faster than Titan X if released. Making the 980Ti faster than Titan X would hurt flagship sales.




     I thought so too, but with the 390 being seemingly faster, maybe NVidia has no choice?
     
     Also, some gamers will still opt for the Titan-X for it's huge 12GB of VRam. And
    one current game(COD) does use almost 8GB of vRam in 4K.
     
     If i was to go 4K, i'd opt for a SLI Titan-X and OC the heck out of it as for me i always like
    to have more then enough vRam. 
     
     But i'm upgrading next yr again, and i'm stuck in 1080p and VR(rift and Steam's Vive) which 
    seems like max of 1440p and 2400*1080p and 90hz, so performance is key and 6GB is more
    then enough.
     
     Still..it's a guessing game until the 980TI arrives.
     
     
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 13:37:41 (permalink)
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    980Ti will not be faster than Titan X if released. Making the 980Ti faster than Titan X would hurt flagship sales.


    I thought so too, but with the 390 being seemingly faster, maybe NVidia has no choice?
     

    The 390 isn't even released.
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 13:48:14 (permalink)
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    http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-coming-summer/
     
    Interesting how NVidia will market the 980TI with the higher clock speed but less vRam(6GB).
     
    If this is indeed true, i'm waiting for the 980TI as i won't be needing more then 6GB of VRam unti
    i go 4K..and even then i'm not sure i'll need it. 
     
    Also i can SLI the 980TI for some $600 less in cost.
     
    This may well be another case where the Titan is outperformed by the XX80TI model but still has a higher
    price point.
     
    Personally, i'm not risking 1K on the Titan-X until i see what the 980TI is priced at and if indeed the faster
    gpu.
     
    I got burned before with the Titan and the 780TI released later in 2013 for some $350 cheaper.
     
    But that time 6GB was important for a 2 yr gpu, and i'm not sure if over 6GB is really needed in
    the near future?
     
    Your thoughts?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     




    I think games like The Witcher 3 will use a boat load of VRAM, but it's going to depend on what resolution you game at of course.  I think unless you're gaming at 4k, the Titan-X is kind of being wasted.
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 14:02:52 (permalink)
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     I think games like The Witcher 3 will use a boat load of VRAM, but it's going to depend on what resolution you game at of course.  I think unless you're gaming at 4k, the Titan-X is kind of being wasted.




    I agree. But i can see a gamer who is not upgrading for 2-3 yrs going with a SLI Titan-X rig, so that he's covered vRam wise in 4K, no matter what is released.
     
    But for under 4K, i just don't see the need for 6GB of vRam. 
     
    If the specs hold true:
     
    For 4K-->Titan SLI (for being 'vRam proof')
     
    1440/1600p and VR(max 1440p)at 90fps -->980TI SLI
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 14:51:54 (permalink)
    If it has 6GB of VRAM I may just wait until the 1080 Ti. I want 8GB of VRAM for my 4K setup. My poor 780 Ti Sli struggle a bit due to 3GB of VRAM limitation but I don't want to upgrade to 6GB then have to upgrade again in a year. 

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 14:57:25 (permalink)
    I'm gonna burn my 3 Titan X in protest and buy a 980ti.

    Joking aside I am probably going to have one rig with Titan X and 4K 60hz and another for more competitive gaming with 1440P 144hz and a 980ti.
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 15:55:09 (permalink)
    wait, so will a 970ti be faster then a reg 980?
     
    i am so banking on dx12 to just allow me to sli my current 970 with a future 980ti or titan x
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 16:11:03 (permalink)
    Interesting indeed....
     
    I am waiting for the Titan X Hydro Copper to come out....so this certainly is a neat twist.  If I was going single card, the 980Ti seems like the no brainer now.  But with SLI as I have planned I'm still going with Titan X as the 12GB may prove useful.

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 16:56:48 (permalink)
    The "reports"...are nonsense.
     
    980 Ti will be -10% to Titan X across general benchmarks at 4k.
     
    With an average OC? Equal to stock Titan X.
     
    Do with this information what you will, but regardless, truthfully it impacts nothing and all the "omg omg should I or shouldn't I wait???" hand-wringing is pretty pointless this time...because  The 390X, 980Ti, and Titan X, will all be within $250 of each other, and will all offer performance within 10% of each other on average.  Can't go wrong no matter which flavor you choose. 
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/03/31 20:30:47 (permalink)
    I box WoW and the 4gb frame buffer is a hindrance right now.  2 980's not even running at half load with maxed vram.  To say there is no need for a 12gb frame buffer is lying to yourself.  Game requirements are going up, up, up.  If you want to enjoy new titles at a good resolution/eye candy, the Titan X is a great card to get.

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 00:33:28 (permalink)
    a friend told me that a 6GB Titan X is going to be released that'll be roughly half price of the 12GB version.

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 11:17:29 (permalink)
    I highly doubt NV is going to release a card that outpaces the Titan X only 3 months later while being cheaper.  They're not dumb, they know that's going to burn bridges with the type of high end buyers who spend $1000 on a card in the first place.  If they wait 6 months then it at least gives them an out.

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 12:28:45 (permalink)
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    I highly doubt NV is going to release a card that outpaces the Titan X only 3 months later while being cheaper.  They're not dumb, they know that's going to burn bridges with the type of high end buyers who spend $1000 on a card in the first place.  If they wait 6 months then it at least gives them an out.




    Did they not do exactly that with original Titan and 780Ti awhile back?

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 12:31:46 (permalink)
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    I highly doubt NV is going to release a card that outpaces the Titan X only 3 months later while being cheaper.  They're not dumb, they know that's going to burn bridges with the type of high end buyers who spend $1000 on a card in the first place.  If they wait 6 months then it at least gives them an out.




    Did they not do exactly that with original Titan and 780Ti awhile back?


    Kinda...but the 780 versions had gimped Double Precision compared to the original TITAN and TITAN Black. Whereas the TITAN X is already gimped for DP compared to earlier TITAN versions.

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 12:33:39 (permalink)
    9 month gap between the OG Titan and 780Ti.  They either need to wait for 6 months to release a 980 Ti or they need to release it with a gimped GM200 die so it's slower than the Titan X.  Otherwise they're basically saying "don't buy our flagship on release, just wait 3 months and save $250".

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 12:35:24 (permalink)
    I imagine that would make a lot of Titan X owners quite a bit salty.

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 12:49:08 (permalink)
    Depends on if the 390x appears, and is indeed faster than the Titan X.  At which point NVidia will have no choice but to attempt to respond with a faster card (most probably a GTX 980Ti).  If the 390x appears and is slower than the Titan X, then perhaps there will be no need to have the GTX 980Ti trump it..
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 12:55:04 (permalink)
    I don't think Nvidia is going to be forced to respond to the 390X.  The 900 series has been on sale for the past 6 months, the Titan X is selling well (still out of stock 2 weeks later).  How many people are really left to care about a new $500+ graphics card?  It will cause a lot of fanboy arguing, but that doesn't translate into sales.

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 13:03:29 (permalink)
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    980Ti will not be faster than Titan X if released. Making the 980Ti faster than Titan X would hurt flagship sales.




     I thought so too, but with the 390 being seemingly faster, maybe NVidia has no choice?
     
     Also, some gamers will still opt for the Titan-X for it's huge 12GB of VRam. And
    one current game(COD) does use almost 8GB of vRam in 4K.
     
     If i was to go 4K, i'd opt for a SLI Titan-X and OC the heck out of it as for me i always like
    to have more then enough vRam. 
     
     But i'm upgrading next yr again, and i'm stuck in 1080p and VR(rift and Steam's Vive) which 
    seems like max of 1440p and 2400*1080p and 90hz, so performance is key and 6GB is more
    then enough.
     
     Still..it's a guessing game until the 980TI arrives.
     
     


    regardless of if the 390 is faster or not, it has NEVER mattered for Nvidia. Most users like myself stick with Nvidia because of their superb driver sets. AMD/ATI has never been good with driver releases. I don't mind loosing a few FPS, if it means stability. AMD/ATI has never been known to have frequent driver releases/fixes. The 390 is irrelevant! Especially the fact it's not been released yet. Here we are on an EVGA forum talking about AMD products, I think I am safe to say, none of us will be purchasing an AMD product anytime soon for their primary gaming machine. I am with Sajin on this one.
     
    On topic of the 980Ti vs Titan X, I think like always, let's actually wait for legit benchmarks. hec even if the 980Ti is faster(and I doubt it will be), it won't be by much, and will still be lacking a massive amount of VRAM, which some enthusiast would prefer.
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 13:32:32 (permalink)
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    Depends on if the 390x appears, and is indeed faster than the Titan X.  At which point NVidia will have no choice but to attempt to respond with a faster card (most probably a GTX 980Ti).  If the 390x appears and is slower than the Titan X, then perhaps there will be no need to have the GTX 980Ti trump it..




    This is exactly what i think NVidia is thinking. If say the 390x is 5% faster, i can see NVidia boosting the 980TI [stock] clock speed up to where it outperforms
    the 390x. 
     
    NVidia knows the Titan-X has the vRam amount as a given, but the 390x and 8GB performing as the best single gpu, is something NVidia will not let happen.
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 13:43:07 (permalink)
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    9 month gap between the OG Titan and 780Ti.  They either need to wait for 6 months to release a 980 Ti or they need to release it with a gimped GM200 die so it's slower than the Titan X.  Otherwise they're basically saying "don't buy our flagship on release, just wait 3 months and save $250".




    Valid point, but just like the OG Titan, the vRam will be doubled over the X80TI model, and that is huge for 4K gamers. And let's be honest here, if your going to put
    together a top 4K rig..and Nvidia is the brand of choice, then most will take a 5% decrease in performance and have the Vram to fall back on. This way they can OC
    the heck out of the Titan-X(which seems like it's happening now by many owners) to get close to the performance of the 980TI.
     
    I'm a NVidia only gamer but i need to see the benchmarks when the 980TI is released, as i only game in 1080p and VR resolutions(max 1440p it seems, with
    the CV of the Rift) so i won't need higher then 6GB vRam.
     
    Having said that, 2yrs back i bought the OG Titan 3 months before the 780TI released, and while it was like a punch in the gut ..at first, when games started using
    over 3GB, i felt alot better about the purchase. I just wish i waited for the Titan Black, but that's the way the industry works.
     
    I love NVidia..always had, as i hate the ATI drivers and lack of a equal feature set, but to charge 1K for the top gaming gpu, really is milking us gamers, way too much.
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 13:49:43 (permalink)
    There probably won't even be a 980Ti. Nvidia will bring the GM210. 
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/01 19:06:16 (permalink)
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    http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-coming-summer/
     
    Interesting how NVidia will market the 980TI with the higher clock speed but less vRam(6GB).
     
    If this is indeed true, i'm waiting for the 980TI as i won't be needing more then 6GB of VRam unti
    i go 4K..and even then i'm not sure i'll need it. 
     
    Also i can SLI the 980TI for some $600 less in cost.
     
    This may well be another case where the Titan is outperformed by the XX80TI model but still has a higher
    price point.
     
    Personally, i'm not risking 1K on the Titan-X until i see what the 980TI is priced at and if indeed the faster
    gpu.
     
    I got burned before with the Titan and the 780TI released later in 2013 for some $350 cheaper.
     
    But that time 6GB was important for a 2 yr gpu, and i'm not sure if over 6GB is really needed in
    the near future?
     
    Your thoughts?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     




    I think games like The Witcher 3 will use a boat load of VRAM, but it's going to depend on what resolution you game at of course.  I think unless you're gaming at 4k, the Titan-X is kind of being wasted.



    Yeap.... unless you SLI the Ti's. ;)
     
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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/03 02:03:08 (permalink)
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    980Ti will not be faster than Titan X if released. Making the 980Ti faster than Titan X would hurt flagship sales.
    The deFacto-monopolistic rules go out the window when competition finally makes their move.  Let's say 390X is slower than Titan-X, then 980Ti will be slower than Titan-X; that is what 290X did to the original Titan and GTX780 but way cheaper, which forced nVidia to update them both and lower the price of GTX780.

    But if by chance 390X ends up pretty close if not beating Titan-X (which is already a fully-enabled GM200 die) despite not having as much Vram, what should we suppose nVidia will do about competition threatening the flagship?  

    They could make a better flagship, raise the clocks of Titan-X, but they lose their power savings advantage.  Plus what would they charge?  No doubt the 390X will be cheaper than $1000, so they would be forced to lower the MSRP of the 12GB original, and that is ludacris.

    Simple: Cut the Vram in half and up the clocks.  They will lose the majority that probably thought Titan-X was the fastest, but they will keep those that think or do need more Vram.  We don't yet know what AMD will charge for 390X, it will no doubt be cheaper for the performance, so nVidia will lose the "best bang for buck" crown for Titan-X versus 390X, but they would prefer to keep the "best bang" folks.

    It would be funny (IMO) if AMD sneaked out an R9-390 bridging the Titan-X with GTX980, a void that nVidia left as they protect their flagship by making a faster GTX980 Ti.  So nVidia has to follow suit to fill their own gap, to make three SKUs just to fight AMD's two, it would be perfectly hilarious.  nVidia would have to make a GM200-cut down to compete and that sucker might have very close performance to both GTX980 Ti and Titan-X while being much cheaper.
     
    post edited by lehpron - 2015/04/04 01:08:06

    For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/03 02:10:52 (permalink)
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    980Ti will not be faster than Titan X if released. Making the 980Ti faster than Titan X would hurt flagship sales.
    It depends on AMD.  Let's say 390X is slower than Titan-X, then 980Ti will be slower than Titan-X.  but if 390X ends up pretty close if not beating Titan-X despite not having as much Vram, what should we suppose nVidia will do about that?  Simple: Cut the Vram in hal and up the clocks.  The idea is to prevent competition from taking advantage of a void left behind, except in the least likely case competition might get really close to the top dog.  We don't yet know what AMD will charge for 390X, it will no doubt be cheaper or the performance, so nVidia will lose the "best bang for buck" crown, but they would prefer to keep the "best bang" folks.
     


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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/03 02:22:33 (permalink)
    Sorry rj, I edited it.  Got to wait 20 minutes after I post as I don't see discrepancies in my grammar or logic or points in preview mode, lol.

    For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/03 04:30:35 (permalink)
    I never wanted a Titan product. I always thought the price was too much and that the GTX#80 versions were a better choice.
    Any #80 version of a Nvidia card in my book is always the best choice no matter how much money you have.
    But that's just my opinion (and I'm 99% correct 100% of the time).


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    Re: Reports now have it the 980TI faster then the Titan-X. 2015/04/03 04:48:53 (permalink)
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    980Ti will not be faster than Titan X if released. Making the 980Ti faster than Titan X would hurt flagship sales.




     I thought so too, but with the 390 being seemingly faster, maybe NVidia has no choice?
     
     Also, some gamers will still opt for the Titan-X for it's huge 12GB of VRam. And
    one current game(COD) does use almost 8GB of vRam in 4K.
     
     If i was to go 4K, i'd opt for a SLI Titan-X and OC the heck out of it as for me i always like
    to have more then enough vRam. 
     
     But i'm upgrading next yr again, and i'm stuck in 1080p and VR(rift and Steam's Vive) which 
    seems like max of 1440p and 2400*1080p and 90hz, so performance is key and 6GB is more
    then enough.
     
     Still..it's a guessing game until the 980TI arrives.
     
     


    Why not just wait till sept/oct 2015 for the next NVidia series release then, if they fall in line with their release history that is.

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