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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 00:12:55
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rafter1974
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And finally, hardware site owner (who is also older than me) and rewiewer acting and talking like a street teenager is an epic fail.
Who runs a hardware site? Dnottis?
Yeah. It claims over 100,000 registered users on his forum. There are barely 200 posts on it and years between posts...Oh well. I'm not giving out free advertising 
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 00:29:02
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rafter1974
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And finally, hardware site owner (who is also older than me) and rewiewer acting and talking like a street teenager is an epic fail.
Who runs a hardware site? Dnottis?
Yeah. It claims over 100,000 registered users on his forum. There are barely 200 posts on it and years between posts...Oh well. I'm not giving out free advertising
Yeah I found it. I wouldn't exactly call him the owner of a hardware site. That place is a ghost town.
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squall-leonhart
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 05:07:27
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Yea, its much better. I made the mistake of installing stupid Afterburner too... but forgot to disable fan monitoring. Once I disabled that DX11 is smooth for me. Funny though, I started the game with 4 cores. Choppy as hell. Then alt tabbed and disabled one... came back to very smooth gameplay....
Heh, looks like Santa refused to give you that present during our last meeting. :D Hope you can get it on the next XMas. :D Can you finally stop attacking my products? Not everything you are unable to understand is stupid.
There is an issue with Afterburner and fan speed polling. You are the one that posted how to fix it. I'm relating that information to the people here having the same problem.
Why don't you fix it already then???? Let me guess - you'll just blame Nvidia for it... Surprise, surprise...
Actually this is what occurs with any application polling the hardware. There is nothing to 'fix' there are settings the user can use if they read the supplied documentation. All your large text accomplished was to broadcast your mistake writ large. As unwinder has pointed out endlessly and I'll quote"
"There are A LOT of things inside Afterburner which may eat performance if used without thinking. Monitoring hardware state and too frequent hardware polling rate, logging monitoring data to HDD, using software automatic fan speed and setting too frequent fan speed update period and so on and so on. ALL these things are eating performance, you have full info about such things in the context help and you have built in performance profiler in Afterburner. It is completely up to you to find out what is the source of performance hit in your system."
Now you let us know when you're competent enough to write your own applications that are used all over the world by literally millions. I don't see that happening.
Hemi, Rivatuners doing something wrong, the nvapi polling may be slower but the stutter only occurs between rivatuner and the effected drivers, Everest was smooth as silk, even while displaying both the fan % and the fan rpm's. i even have it at 2 second updates. As for the nvapi get cooler stuff being fixed unwinder.... 258.96
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NvAPI_GPU_GetCoolerSettings() is slower on Release 256 drivers compared to Release 195 drivers. [692045]
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:05:41
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Hemi, Rivatuners doing something wrong, the nvapi polling may be slower but the stutter only occurs between rivatuner and the effected drivers, Everest was smooth as silk, even while displaying both the fan % and the fan rpm's.
i even have it at 2 second updates.
Maybe you'll teach me how to do it right then? :) Sorry, but you're commenting the things you're simply not understanding. Just FYI, unlike Precision and Afterburner, RivaTuner never used fan monitoring via NVAPI. So it was not even affected by NVAPI's GetCoolerSettings slowdown issue in early 257 series because instead of NVAPI it uses own fast low-level I2C sensor access implementation in monitoring module (which came to Everest directly from RT BTW, which is twice fun in context of your "RivaTuner doing something wrong" claims). So I'm afraid that you've never tried RT yourself with these drivers and make your wrong conclusions from seeing Precision only or reading something in the net. As for NVIDIA's own official NVAPI's fan monitoring implementation (which was stuttering badly on pre-GTX400 series in early 257 betas before NV accepted and fixed the problem), all tools bundled with NV hardware (including Afterburner and Precision) will use ONLY official NVIDIA APIs for accessing cooler instead of low-level sensors access because of safety reasons. Low-level access to fan controller bypassing NVIDIA API can cause compatibility issues (including infamous GTX400 fan stop issues when Everest or GPU-Z were accessing fan controller simultaneously with any application using native NVIDIA API). So your "the stutter only occurs between rivatuner and the latest drivers" is plain not true, sorry. Generic RivaTuner was not even affected by that, and the tools using NVIDIA's generic GetCoolerSettings are not limited to Precision and Afterburner. And I do hope that unlike dnottis, your misinformation was not intentional and was not caused by your past conflicts with Guru3D staff and your subsequent permanent ban there. squall-leonhart
As for the nvapi get cooler stuff being fixed unwinder....
258.96
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NvAPI_GPU_GetCoolerSettings() is slower on Release 256 drivers compared to Release 195 drivers. [692045]
Really? That's very valuable info for me, considering that I've profiled this issue with 257 drivers myself and worked with NV devrel to get it fixed in the driver ASAP :D
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squall-leonhart
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:07:16
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RivaTuner never used fan monitoring via NVAPI. So it was not even affected by NVAPI's GetCoolerSettings slowdown issue in early 257 series because instead of NVAPI it uses own fast low-level I2C sensor access implementation in monitoring module (which came to Everest directly from RT BTW, which is twice fun in context of your "RivaTuner doing something wrong" claims). So I'm afraid that you've never tried RT yourself with these drivers and make your wrong conclusions from seeing Precision only or reading something in the net No wonder. Nvidia doesn't recommend polling from anything except nvapi on Cards that make use of it. I guess you missed the memo, but Everest has switched to NVAPI in the most recent versions. Rivatuner is doing it wrong. And stop with your accusative horsecrap Alexi, i I got the stuttering crap with the 257 drivers while running precision, and instead of playing with settings, i replaced it with an application that works properly. IE, Everest.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:09:23
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So hint for you. Everest doesn't use NVAPI to poll fan. So does RT. And official tools like Precision and Afterburner rely on NVAPI only.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:12:07
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Stop playing the fool and start reading please. Bold font won't make you look smarter.
P.S. I'm afraid I was correct assuming that I'm talking to next "I was banned from Guru3D" so I'll put some crap on RT in exchange. Disrespect, bye.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:18:10
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Yeah. It claims over 100,000 registered users on his forum. There are barely 200 posts on it and years between posts...Oh well. I'm not giving out free advertising
The forums are setup to auto delete the posts after so long which is why there aren't many posts left. We used to run monthly contests and give stuff away but companies don't like to part with hardware much these days. A lot of politics behind it now which is why I only still work with a few companies.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:20:11
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Stop playing the fool and start reading please. Bold font won't make you look smarter.
P.S. I'm afraid I was correct assuming that I'm talking to next "I was banned from Guru3D" so I'll put some crap on RT in exchange. Disrespect, bye.
Don't mind him, he's been consistently wrong in just about every thread he's posted in this week. I don't know if he just likes arguing or if he really doesn't know what he's talking about. There is nothing wrong with Afterburner, Precision or Rivatuner. Thousands and thousands of us use these programs without a problem. Right now Afterburner is far and away the best monitoring tool to use with 400 series cards.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:20:53
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whatever Alexi, fact remains that the only apps effected by the slower polling were based on rivatuner, while others reported things just fine with no stuttering.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:24:06
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I have never had any problems running BFBC2 but i did have very bad stuttering in crysis and i can confirm that this does work for crysis too!!!!! so this is not strictly due to BFBC2s engine!!!!!
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:31:53
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Stop playing the fool and start reading please. Bold font won't make you look smarter.
P.S. I'm afraid I was correct assuming that I'm talking to next "I was banned from Guru3D" so I'll put some crap on RT in exchange. Disrespect, bye.
Don't mind him, he's been consistently wrong in just about every thread he's posted in this week. I don't know if he just likes arguing or if he really doesn't know what he's talking about.
There is nothing wrong with Afterburner, Precision or Rivatuner. Thousands and thousands of us use these programs without a problem. Right now Afterburner is far and away the best monitoring tool to use with 400 series cards.
tool to use with 400 series cards. No, i haven't. Its the fact that changes have occured at api level recently(which i failed to take into account) which has changed the playing field when it comes to cpu performance in games. On the other hand, you consistently do not help at all, while i've been throwing all sorts of potential idea's towards the issue with the stuttering. Having idea's that are wrong, are better than having no idea's at all. PS, when i hear bs about how drivercleaners work, ofc i'll argue the fact its entirely placebo, I've been through thousands more driver installs then you could possibly imagine throughout my years with nvidia hardware, either testing quality or performance differences between those supposed inf mods, correcting borked installs, adjusting registry level fixes, etc, and not once has a drivercleaning app helped. @Kvnastn good to hear.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:32:19
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Been following this thread, never had the stuttering issue, the only issue i have is a brief flickering, sometimes it will completely black out the screen, then last for a few seconds. I have only noticed this with a multi gpu setup, the gtx 470 alone and a 5850 alone will not do it. You guys might want to keep on track, as the whole "Afterburner is lame/not lame" is lame.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:34:00
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merc, that could be an issue with the SLI mode, tried changing it?
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 06:36:08
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squall-leonhart
whatever Alexi, fact remains that the only apps effected by the slower polling were based on rivatuner, while others reported things just fine with no stuttering.
Stop trolling and start reading: native RivaTuner application doesn't have the issue ALL, and the tools "based on rivatuner" are actually using NVIDIA driver to read that info. Are you drunk? Do you like to play pro and use clever words you don't seem to understand? No problem: creare a small tool enumerating GPUs via NVAPI and requesting current cooler speed via NVAPI's GpuGetCoolerSettings periodcally on timer. And try to measure the speed and compare it with Afterburner's performance hit caused by fan speed polling (which is displayed in performance profiler area) and show the difference between your RIGHT and my WRONG implementations. It is a question of 15 minutes to code that, but considering that you may be busy pro, I'll give you 48 hours. If you won't do it, you'll prove yourself to be a regular troll and liar. Forever. Fair deal.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 07:17:46
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On behalf of those of us who KNOW who Unwinder is, and what he has done unselfishly (for ALL of us) for so many years with the support of Guru3d... I would like to apologize for the way Squall-leonhart has posted on these Fourms.
You have nothing to prove here, and have the full support and gratitude from 99.9% of EVGA fourm members. -Thank You- -->Perhaps our overly kind Mods will now "see the light" and rid these fourms of willful dishonesty and complete disrespect. Enough with bending over backwards and locking threads, Kick him out. Either EVGA wants honest fourms with respectful members... or make Squall-leonhart a Mod, and be happy with what you end up with.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 07:22:07
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OK... Once again a general warning for everyone. Knock it of please. Personal attacks, insults and such are against TOS. Regardless of who you are. Thank you...
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 07:51:13
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I cant belive I just read that! "Regardless of who you are" Is that directed at Unwinder? The man simply comes to defend himself and you would say that? Perhaps EVGA's new Mod "Afterburner" needs to read up about "who" Unwinder is, and what Unwinder has done for everyone (including Afterburner -and- EVGA) for these past 10 years+ before he would ever think to speak to such a great person in such a manner. Its called history, honesty and fairness. And Unwinder has EARNED all of those beyond -any- doubt. I dont care if Unwinder came in here cussing and making threats (which he did not). He has every right to defend himself and his work. Since EVGA fourm mods have not bothered to restrain the dishonest and misleading posts from Squall. If Afterburner did not mean Unwinder, then my mistake and I'm sorry for misreading it. If he did, then (in my opinion) Afterburner needs to step down as a EVGA Mod. Respecting Squall's rights to post utter nonsense in a disrespectful fasion (after repeted warnings) and not then allowing Unwinder the same rights to honestly defend himself and his work is uncalled for. And is 100% the fault of the Mods here at EVGA for not doing something about (Squall's posts) in the first place. If your going to let Squall post as he continues to do, then you have nothing to say to Unwinder about it -period- OMG I'm so upset about this. I feel that EVGA has really blown it. What next, Unwinder banned and Squall still posting? I need to take a walk and cool down... I'm really pissed at EVGA right now. There is no person more respected and known for his understanding of Nvidia drivers (on the planet) than Unwinder. If he says something, we should all listen with complete respect. He wrote the book on the subject.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 07:57:34
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 08:28:46
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even though i've blocked him... i just have to say
maniac, the only one making any sorts of personal remarks here is you. I've not once insulted Alexi on these forums, and i've probably (definitely) known him(and of him) longer than you. He is quite capable of defending his own software, and he doesn't need you to chime in with your half cocked nonsense when discussing issues with his software.
The nvidia driver WAS doing something strange with the 257 kits, however that still doesn't explain why only Rivatuner(and its derivatives) were effected, while Everest (which Alexi says he also contributed to) was not.
Regardless of how much someone contributes, whether it be in software or support, they are not gods, and are not above being questioned.
>.> Jesus, this same behavior is why ATI's driver has progressively gotten worse in the last 4 months.
DSNOTTIS, has this affinity trick solved the issue in other applications for you?
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 08:29:19
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maniacvvv
I cant belive I just read that!
"Regardless of who you are"
Is that directed at Unwinder? The man simply comes to defend himself and you would say that?
Perhaps EVGA's new Mod "Afterburner" needs to read up about "who" Unwinder is, and what Unwinder has done for everyone (including Afterburner -and- EVGA) for these past 10 years+ before he would ever think to speak to such a great person in such a manner.
Its called history, honesty and fairness. And Unwinder has EARNED all of those beyond -any- doubt.
I dont care if Unwinder came in here cussing and making threats (which he did not). He has every right to defend himself and his work. Since EVGA fourm mods have not bothered to restrain the dishonest and misleading posts from Squall.
If Afterburner did not mean Unwinder, then my mistake and I'm sorry for misreading it.
If he did, then (in my opinion) Afterburner needs to step down as a EVGA Mod.
Respecting Squall's rights to post utter nonsense in a disrespectful fasion (after repeted warnings) and not then allowing Unwinder the same rights to honestly defend himself and his work is uncalled for. And is 100% the fault of the Mods here at EVGA for not doing something about (Squall's posts) in the first place.
If your going to let Squall post as he continues to do, then you have nothing to say to Unwinder about it -period-
OMG I'm so upset about this. I feel that EVGA has really blown it. What next, Unwinder banned and Squall still posting?
I need to take a walk and cool down... I'm really pissed at EVGA right now.
Although I agree with you to a point, the rules remain the rules. No matter who you are. That's all that the mods are trying to reiterate here. I understand your frustration and I understand unwinder's frustration (and defense of his work certainly), but there is a clear line and it's being stepped over--both ways. However, there is a way to go about this like adults. I also agree that you need to take a walk and cool down. Everyone needs to take a walk and cool down. There are many of us that respect the work that unwinder has put forth in this community and that will remain. You can be sure of that. Just my opinion naturally.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 08:31:44
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There are many of us that respect the work that unwinder has put forth in this community and that will remain. You can be sure of that. Just my opinion naturally. The work is respectable indeed. Rivatuner is almost always the first thing installed after a clean install, not just for the driver tweaking but the additional applications like D3DOverride.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 08:42:42
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maniacvvv
I cant belive I just read that!
"Regardless of who you are"
Is that directed at Unwinder? The man simply comes to defend himself and you would say that?
maniacvvv... Do you really think that? Any direct warnings are either done through PM's or in the post they make. Trying to "Read" between the lines in a post is actually not a good idea. The statement is clear and accurate. Unwinder is a huge member of this and many other forums. We all agreed to the TOS. Even us MOD.s We get countless PM's of folks who think we are one sided in warnings. I wanted to be clear. I simply made a very accurate statement. Joe, Shane, everyone must follow the TOS. No exceptions. This thread was once locked and cleaned up already. Some folks got warnings, and we do not need threads locked and folks warned or banned. We are a community of support. Let's try and keep it that way. This is why I chose a general warning. Thank you for asking, it is the only way to know 
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 08:50:37
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Is there a bug in this forum software or something? Seems Quotes break when there are alot of them in various posts on a page.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 09:00:41
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Is there a bug in this forum software or something? Seems Quotes break when there are alot of them in various posts on a page.
been getting the same thing on and off where the quote tags will actually appear as text in the post
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 09:08:41
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yeah, it doesn't occur when logged out though.
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