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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/14 11:21:27
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chizow Btw, what is your suggestion now for all the people with slow Core 2 and PhII systems with low FPS and low GPU% that you insisted were caused by a driver/GPU problem? Im probably going to say the same thing to them that I say to all those with Corei7's who are experiencing the same issues with BFBC2 as those of us with these so called SLOW 4+ghz Quad Core CPU's. I dont think we need to continue this discussion any further because ***EDITED BY AB*** It is a game/driver problem without a doubt. Get over yourself already.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/14 11:28:09
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the nvidia train screensaver is a good GPU load test. it easily maxes out a gpu without even using AA. try testing that and seeing if the gpu usage is really limited. if not, the problem is just that BF's engine it ATI optimised.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/14 11:28:56
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Robs03gts chizow Yep its clearly not as fast as you think it is And neither is it slow as ***EDITED BY AB***claiming it to be. chizow and certainly not fast enough to eliminate any CPU bottlenecks as you've insisted numerous times. Nope, never claimed it would remove every single bottleneck. What I did say was unless your running an unusual low resolution without AA and AF you will never see the difference. However anyone with a half a brain will tell you that a Q9550@4.3ghz paired up with a Single GTX 480 while gaming at resolution of 1920X1200 with AA and AF isnt going to be bottlenecking anything. Is the Corei7 faster? well yes it is and if your into encoding you will notice the difference right away. However the case isnt the same for gaming at high resolutions with AA and AF. Any current Core 2 Quad at 3.8ghz or higher is plenty enough to properly feed a single GTX 480. You act as though the GTX 480 is some super duper power house nuclear video card that needs a core i7 clocked to 7ghz just to extract the mighty power of the fermi. ***EDITED BY AB*** Once again this is absolutely uncalled for. If you can't argue your point without using words like "ignorantly and jerk" then you lose immediately. Again, this is why threads, with good information in them, get locked. All you are doing is baiting someone into a fight and it's clearly against the TOS. What's worse is a mod has already warned against it.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/14 11:40:12
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Robs03gts words... Its OK Robs03gts, I can understand you're frustrated, but if you go back and look over the various posts, I haven't thrown the first stone, not even remotely close to it. I simply explain my point of view, provide my backup and evidence proving me right, you wrong, after which you go off the deep end and start with the misquotes, misrepresentations, and personal attacks. Which you've once again done here. Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror at your own approach as it seems you have a tendency to jump the gun a bit in your conclusions, which leads to this kind of hyperdefensive behavior in response. But since its obvious you aren't willing to listen to what I have to say about your older/slower CPU architecture compared to i7 and the kinds of performance gains you'd see from it, maybe you would take the testimony of others who have recently made the transition first-hand? http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=512870&mpage=1#512899 steelcowboy I upgraded from a q9550 @ 4 ghz with 780i ftw to a i7 860 @ 3.9ghz with p55 board and my framerates doubled with a 5970. 20mmrain Same here I moved from a Q9550 @ 3.6 Ghz and I know have a i5 750 @ 4.25 Ghz My FPS also Almost doubled. I Eliminated Most Any Bottle Neck that was being caused by my 3 4890's At the time. Lots in common with you too, former ATI users. Maybe you should send them a PM and pick their brains a bit, see what they're doing right or maybe what you're doing wrong?
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/14 11:53:28
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chizow I upgraded from a q9550 @ 4 ghz with 780i ftw to a i7 860 @ 3.9ghz with p55 board and my framerates doubled with a 5970. 20mmrain Same here I moved from a Q9550 @ 3.6 Ghz and I know have a i5 750 @ 4.25 Ghz My FPS also Almost doubled. I Eliminated Most Any Bottle Neck that was being caused by my 3 4890's At the time. Lots in common with you too, former ATI users. Maybe you should send them a PM and pick their brains a bit, see what they're doing right or maybe what you're doing wrong? ***EDITED BY AB*** How many times did I say before that a CoreI7 setup had noticeable performance benefits over a core 2 quad for multi GPU platforms? How many times? Take a good look at the rigs that you just quoted from and tell me if any of them are single GPU setups. Im not wasting anymore time with you as your more interested in twisting the facts all around any way that you can in order to fit your argument. Pathetic to say the least. BTW I dont agree with the first guys comment with the HD 5970, im sure he had a nice FPS boost but he certainly didnt double in his frame rates from his previous platform. If anything at all it sounds like to me crossfire probably wasnt even working correctly or at all on his previous platform and that is a possibility considering that ATI had broken crossfire support for many games with the HD 5970 using the last few drivers. I think you are forgetting that I owned a HD 5970 myself paired along with my Q9550@4.3ghz and when comparing my setup to many of the guys over at xtremesystems.org with Core I7's clocked to 4ghz paired with a HD 5970 my frame rates were in spitting range of theirs, hardly any difference at all and most certainly not double the difference. lol. Point is if my setup is enough for a HD 5970 then common sense will tell you that its more than enough for a GTX 480.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/14 12:01:15
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Locking this thread for now.. I will unlock it after some house keeping...
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 00:11:26
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Unlocked and cleaned up. Lets move on and get back on track now shall we
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 07:00:05
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Alright cool So last night I over clocked my 480 back to 800/2100 and played about 2 hours of BF BC2 with one core un-ticked. Worked beautifully. I was even running 32x AA/16AA with everything maxed at 1680x1050 (which is the reason I don't care about 1920, I need my AA). I just want to confirm this fixes it, at least for quad cores and i7. DX11 finally plays awesome for me in MP. Now - if you are still having problems: 1. Start the game, you can actually get into the round then alt-tab, right click bfbc2.exe in task manager, 'set affinity' and un-tick one of the cores then close it. The game will return to full screen. This worked better if I waited till the round started and then did it. 2. If you have Afterburner installed - make sure you are disabling fan speed monitoring in settings/monitoring. If you don't the Afterburner stutter feels a lot like the same stutter you get from using 4 cores. You could be fighting both problems! 3. All of this has been reported to Jacob @ EVGA and Manuel @ Nvidia. So the people that need this information already have it. Even if Nvidia wasn't able to isolate and come to the same conclusion they are now aware of the fix - so we can wait on them and use this as a workaround for now - this isn't a permanent fix, but it works for now. So we wait... Keep the name calling and insults out of this thread please, lets just keep posting results and maybe helping out those that still have it after we've confirmed they've tried both things listed above. My temper has gotten short over this too, now that we know 110% it's not anything in our systems there is no need to keep trying to convince people that it is. I haven't even looked at GPU usage, but now that it's finally smooth I'm cranking the eye candy so I'm sure usage is closer too 100% now. What wasn't helping was jacking up the settings when it was stuttering cause that was just making it worse. I don't care about usage anymore now that it's working right. On a brighter note, after having a 0.82 k/d ratio when I started playing, I made level 28 last night and I'm now over 1.0 k/d ratio! I can finally just enjoy playing again and will be taking advantage of that more now. Finally - if you are having problems with stuttering in other games, try to disable one core and see if that helps. If it does, please report it here so I can confirm and send these issues along to the folks that can get it fixed!
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 07:56:56
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Suggestion! Try configuring the Dynamic Tiling setting (Nvidia Inspector 1.91 required) to 2. "Simultaneous multithreaded (SMT) processors use data caches which are dynamically shared between threads. Depending on the processor workload, sharing the data cache may harm performance due to excessive cache conflicts. A way to overcome this problem is to physically partition the cache between threads. Unfortunately, partitioning the cache requires additional hardware and may lead to lower utilisation of the cache in certain workloads. It is therefore important to consider software mechanisms to implicitly partition the cache between threads by controlling the locations in the cache in which each thread can load data. This paper proposes standard program transformations for partitioning the shared data caches of SMT processors, if and only if there are conflicts between threads in the shared cache at runtime. We propose transformations based on dynamic tiling. The key idea is to use two tile sizes in the program, one for single-threaded execution mode and one suitable for multithreaded execution mode and switch between tile sizes at runtime. Our transformations combine dynamic tiling with either copying or storing arrays in block layout. The paper presents an implementation of these transformations along with runtime mechanisms for detecting cache contention between threads and react to it on-the-fly. Our experimental results show that for regular, perfect loop nests, these transformations provide substantial performance improvements."
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 08:22:39
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To be honest with you - we already have a workaround. If that worked, is just another workaround. I'm gonna use this till Nvidia gets back to me.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 08:46:03
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it wouldn't be a workaround if dynamic tiling works. nvidia adds the option to some profiles by default where they had issues on multicore processors, farcry and nfsu2 for example.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 08:49:00
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squall-leonhart it wouldn't be a workaround if dynamic tiling works. nvidia adds the option to some profiles by default where they had issues on multicore processors, farcry and nfsu2 for example. So cant I just go into the .xml where the profiles are and just change it there then? EDIT - Nah I tried it, didn't help. Disabling the 4th core did though even with DT set to 2. So no, thats not it.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 09:01:43
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256+ does not use the xml anymore. it uses a bin file in the programdata\nvidia corporation\drs folder. well, im sure nvidia can fix this, its probably a thread collision between the driver and game.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 10:08:15
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DNOTTIS 2. If you have Afterburner installed - make sure you are disabling fan speed monitoring in settings/monitoring. If you don't the Afterburner stutter feels a lot like the same stutter you get from using 4 cores. You could be fighting both problems! Question about this. Does this mean the if you disable the fan monitoring that the User Defined fan profile will not work? ie have to set the fan speed manually? Or is this just for updating the graph in Afterburner?
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 10:19:16
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squall-leonhart Suggestion! Try configuring the Dynamic Tiling setting (Nvidia Inspector 1.91 required) to 2. How can i do that ? I'm only able to enable it but i cannot edit "SettingValueHex". Its on 0x74288976. der_Kief
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 10:24:08
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der_Kief squall-leonhart Suggestion! Try configuring the Dynamic Tiling setting (Nvidia Inspector 1.91 required) to 2. How can i do that ? I'm only able to enable it but i cannot edit "SettingValueHex". Its on 0x74288976. der_Kief Just wanted to say Welcome to our forum
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 10:37:22
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shiarua DNOTTIS 2. If you have Afterburner installed - make sure you are disabling fan speed monitoring in settings/monitoring. If you don't the Afterburner stutter feels a lot like the same stutter you get from using 4 cores. You could be fighting both problems! Question about this. Does this mean the if you disable the fan monitoring that the User Defined fan profile will not work? ie have to set the fan speed manually? Or is this just for updating the graph in Afterburner? Since I'm water cooled I'm not really sure if you can control the fan, but you want to disable Fan Monitoring here or you will suffer from stutter due to the polling rate in the 25x.xx drivers. Under active hardware monitoring graphs. Uncheck, apply.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 10:56:02
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Wow, I just use precision's profiles and never have this issue. Kinda perplexed why folks are getting the "studders". their only so much graphical quality that game will produce as far as viewability.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 11:39:53
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Robs03gts chizow I upgraded from a q9550 @ 4 ghz with 780i ftw to a i7 860 @ 3.9ghz with p55 board and my framerates doubled with a 5970. 20mmrain Same here I moved from a Q9550 @ 3.6 Ghz and I know have a i5 750 @ 4.25 Ghz My FPS also Almost doubled. I Eliminated Most Any Bottle Neck that was being caused by my 3 4890's At the time. Lots in common with you too, former ATI users. Maybe you should send them a PM and pick their brains a bit, see what they're doing right or maybe what you're doing wrong? ***EDITED BY AB*** How many times did I say before that a CoreI7 setup had noticeable performance benefits over a core 2 quad for multi GPU platforms? How many times? Take a good look at the rigs that you just quoted from and tell me if any of them are single GPU setups. Im not wasting anymore time with you as your more interested in twisting the facts all around any way that you can in order to fit your argument. Pathetic to say the least. BTW I dont agree with the first guys comment with the HD 5970, im sure he had a nice FPS boost but he certainly didnt double in his frame rates from his previous platform. If anything at all it sounds like to me crossfire probably wasnt even working correctly or at all on his previous platform and that is a possibility considering that ATI had broken crossfire support for many games with the HD 5970 using the last few drivers. I think you are forgetting that I owned a HD 5970 myself paired along with my Q9550@4.3ghz and when comparing my setup to many of the guys over at xtremesystems.org with Core I7's clocked to 4ghz paired with a HD 5970 my frame rates were in spitting range of theirs, hardly any difference at all and most certainly not double the difference. lol. Point is if my setup is enough for a HD 5970 then common sense will tell you that its more than enough for a GTX 480. Thanks for pointing this out. Ppl I had the 5970 and had no such issues. My performance wre consistent with what others were getting even in this game. I dont see the point in posting users using dual gpus with core2s. It is a big fat lie that someone would get double fps when switching cpus with the 5970.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 11:52:58
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Fix didn't work for me :(
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 18:00:08
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Louisville15 Fix didn't work for me :( setting affinity and disabling one core? Are you doing it once you are in the round? and you aren't running Afterburner, Rivatuner or precision, right?
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 19:18:58
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DNOTTIS shiarua DNOTTIS 2. If you have Afterburner installed - make sure you are disabling fan speed monitoring in settings/monitoring. If you don't the Afterburner stutter feels a lot like the same stutter you get from using 4 cores. You could be fighting both problems! Question about this. Does this mean the if you disable the fan monitoring that the User Defined fan profile will not work? ie have to set the fan speed manually? Or is this just for updating the graph in Afterburner? Since I'm water cooled I'm not really sure if you can control the fan, but you want to disable Fan Monitoring here or you will suffer from stutter due to the polling rate in the 25x.xx drivers. Under active hardware monitoring graphs. Uncheck, apply. If you are getting stuttering with Afterburner you can just up the polling rate and it will get rid of it.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 21:35:30
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rafter1974 If you are getting stuttering with Afterburner you can just up the polling rate and it will get rid of it. Personally, I'm water cooled so I dont need the fan speed monitoring enabled anyways... But people need to be aware that Afterburner can cause stuttering too. For the last few months I haven't even had it installed. Once we found the disabling one core fix for BF BC2 I reinstalled it and OC'd my card back to 800/2100.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 22:41:09
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DNOTTIS Yea, its much better. I made the mistake of installing stupid Afterburner too... but forgot to disable fan monitoring. Once I disabled that DX11 is smooth for me. Funny though, I started the game with 4 cores. Choppy as hell. Then alt tabbed and disabled one... came back to very smooth gameplay.... Heh, looks like Santa refused to give you that present during our last meeting. :D Hope you can get it on the next XMas. :D Can you finally stop attacking my products? Not everything you are unable to understand is stupid.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 23:11:34
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Unwinder DNOTTIS Yea, its much better. I made the mistake of installing stupid Afterburner too... but forgot to disable fan monitoring. Once I disabled that DX11 is smooth for me. Funny though, I started the game with 4 cores. Choppy as hell. Then alt tabbed and disabled one... came back to very smooth gameplay.... Heh, looks like Santa refused to give you that present during our last meeting. :D Hope you can get it on the next XMas. :D Can you finally stop attacking my products? Not everything you are unable to understand is stupid. There is an issue with Afterburner and fan speed polling. You are the one that posted how to fix it. I'm relating that information to the people here having the same problem. Why don't you fix it already then???? Let me guess - you'll just blame Nvidia for it... Surprise, surprise...
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 23:30:51
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DNOTTIS There is an issue with Afterburner and fan speed polling. You are the one that posted how to fix it. I'm relating that information to the people here having the same problem. Why don't you fix it already then???? Let me guess - you'll just blame Nvidia for it... Surprise, surprise... First, bold huge font won't make you look smarter than you actually are. Second, no need to lie when you're being caught. You're not relating anything, you're constantly trowning personal insults about dick head head developer and stupid Afterburner software. So don't be chicken and don't try to cover your ass now. It is not called passing info, it is called trolling and insulting. Fourth, NVIDIA fixed issue with slow NVAPI GetCoolerSettings on GTX200 series ages ago in 258 and newer drivers. Fifth, even if there were a problem with that in present and even I wanted to, I couldn't fix anything because both Precision and Afterburner rely only on NVIDIA API and ATI ADL calls during accessing the cooler for maximum safety. Sixth, any experienced user having non-empty head on his shoulders can easily enable performance profiler info display in Afterburner / Precision and see how many CPU time is actually being eaten by fan speed polling. And finally, hardware site owner (who is also older than me) and rewiewer acting and talking like a street teenager is an epic fail.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 23:47:30
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DNOTTIS Unwinder DNOTTIS Yea, its much better. I made the mistake of installing stupid Afterburner too... but forgot to disable fan monitoring. Once I disabled that DX11 is smooth for me. Funny though, I started the game with 4 cores. Choppy as hell. Then alt tabbed and disabled one... came back to very smooth gameplay.... Heh, looks like Santa refused to give you that present during our last meeting. :D Hope you can get it on the next XMas. :D Can you finally stop attacking my products? Not everything you are unable to understand is stupid. There is an issue with Afterburner and fan speed polling. You are the one that posted how to fix it. I'm relating that information to the people here having the same problem. Why don't you fix it already then???? Let me guess - you'll just blame Nvidia for it... Surprise, surprise... Actually this is what occurs with any application polling the hardware. There is nothing to 'fix' there are settings the user can use if they read the supplied documentation. All your large text accomplished was to broadcast your mistake writ large. As unwinder has pointed out endlessly and I'll quote" " There are A LOT of things inside Afterburner which may eat performance if used without thinking. Monitoring hardware state and too frequent hardware polling rate, logging monitoring data to HDD, using software automatic fan speed and setting too frequent fan speed update period and so on and so on. ALL these things are eating performance, you have full info about such things in the context help and you have built in performance profiler in Afterburner. It is completely up to you to find out what is the source of performance hit in your system." Now you let us know when you're competent enough to write your own applications that are used all over the world by literally millions. I don't see that happening.
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/15 23:52:04
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I have a problem with all the text in the game dissappearing
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 00:03:22
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Unwinder And finally, hardware site owner (who is also older than me) and rewiewer acting and talking like a street teenager is an epic fail. Who runs a hardware site? Dnottis?
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Re:Possible stutter workaround for BF BC2 with 4xx cards..
2010/08/16 00:04:17
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money8305 I have a problem with all the text in the game dissappearing You didn't mention what OS or driver version you're using. Are you running in BFBC2 in DX11 using any monitoring software overlay of any kind?
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