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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 00:27:30 (permalink)
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GTX 780 Ti Kingpin would be the absolute best card today but with only 3 Gb it’s not a particularly compelling long-term value.  BF4 can all ready hits the 3 Gb ram wall.


You see everybody try everything, with rumors about 6GB, with pressure, but NVIDIA don't want give in.
Never mind for me is this card absolute favorite after GTX580 Classified ULTRA.
I would like to start and continue tradition in future with motto...
No graphics without 22 pin connectors. Only on such model to upgrade in future. Card is just like I need.
When I saw 22 pin and color combination, I forgot on non reference AMD R9-290X. I hope, I hope I will upgrade...
I will miss step-up on reference Ti because much nicer is something from EVGA lab, and after everything and bad luck with
Elpida I deserve to buy this card and I deserve to sell GTX780 Classified for nice price to allow me to buy this model.
Kingpin sign is on PCB. It would be nice if backplate not cover that part or backplate with same sign.
 
ASUS prepare Poisedon Ti with completely custom design too. In Serbia they will ask who want to order.
For me that is much cheaper than EVGA, but this is card is much nicer.
Again I see some pipes similar to DirectCUII and waterblock useless for me.
 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 06:50:07 (permalink)
Any possibilities for Step up options from 780Ti ACX to either Classified or Kingpin options? Just bought mine and have remorse for not waiting but I go impatient.

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 09:32:18 (permalink)
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Any possibilities for Step up options from 780Ti ACX to either Classified or Kingpin options? Just bought mine and have remorse for not waiting but I go impatient.



Yes, immediately after us with GTX780 Classified. 
I was not impatience, I simple thought that was end and best GK110.
They could say us, I would wait on EVGA until now. I would calm look how other order other model and wait GTX780Ti.
Now I want to die for this card. I say it'snot real step-up for free. But they can give to people easy cross on GTX780Ti Classified and pay full price difference between 780 Classy now and 780Ti Classy when show up.
I would be more than happy, that would be really fair, difference will not be little but example for me much easier
because I now must think how to sell mine card first. Really no theoretic way to save enough money without selling mine card.

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 09:47:42 (permalink)
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GTX 780 Ti Kingpin would be the absolute best card today but with only 3 Gb it’s not a particularly compelling long-term value.  BF4 can all ready hits the 3 Gb ram wall.




 
Could not agree more.  This limiting factor will be the reason that prevents my purchase. 6gb or greater solution will be on my list


 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 10:05:13 (permalink)
This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3gb vram?
 
That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 10:36:16 (permalink)
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This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3gb vram?
 
That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!


This card is more for benching than gaming. 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 10:49:23 (permalink)
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This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3gb vram?
 
That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!


This card is more for benching than gaming. 




 
Using cisco0623's analogy of Automobiles, that like having a top performing NASCAR engine build on the Dynamometer producing record values and when the driver asks " When can I race it?" the production team says " Oh, not meant to be raced, only for the Dynamometer"  


 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 10:51:12 (permalink)
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This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3gb vram?
 
That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!


This card is more for benching than gaming. 




 
Using cisco0623's analogy of Automobiles, that like having a top performing NASCAR engine build on the Dynamometer producing record values and when the driver asks " When can I race it?" the production team says " Oh, not meant to be raced, only for the Dynamometer"  



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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 11:24:04 (permalink)
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This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3gb vram?
 
That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!


This card is more for benching than gaming. 




 
Using cisco0623's analogy of Automobiles, that like having a top performing NASCAR engine build on the Dynamometer producing record values and when the driver asks " When can I race it?" the production team says " Oh, not meant to be raced, only for the Dynamometer"  




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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 12:29:23 (permalink)
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This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3GB vram?
I'm sure EVGA/nVidia knows the mass production limits better than any of us, we just have to accept that being users of their creations; except some among us have the audacity (or hindsight) to not believe that.
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That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!
But a gallon is plenty to get you to full speed, you just won't stay that way for long.  I'd change your analogy to stating a speed limit of 60mph with a full tank, thus not using all the horsepower given to bring you to full speed; as if the 2880-CUDA core GPU is too much for its 3GB.
 
 
You know what is funny though?  It is how many among us that utterly lack time perspective.  If we go to the future by a few years, those entry level card that many of us will ignore with the performance equivalent to GTX780 Ti today may have more than 3GB, but it will by then be seen as overkill and waste, because that is how we see today's entry-levels with 2GB that happen to have the performance equivalent of older high-end cards but with more than double Vram.  Even funnier, the resolutions haven't changed, 2560x1600 was just as high-end then as now, but the difference is that the games of the day weren't really pushing the Vram wall, whereas now they are, thus resolution and Vram directly associative.
 
 
The ironic catch 22 is that if we wait long enough, we WILL get exactly what we want today, but by then we would have moved on. 
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This card is more for benching than gaming.
To an benching enthusiast maybe, but most people aren't enthusiasts whatever their salary, they'll get the best believing quality allows for endurance, they will keep it longer and definitely not just to bench.  I remember back when EVGA was about to introduce their very first "Classified" product: E759 Limited Edition X58 motherboard with a pair of nF200's, it was seen as for benching against the cheaper regular E758 X58 board, but most of those that bought E759 simply kept it for years as their gaming motherboard.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 12:49:34 (permalink)
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This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3gb vram?
 
That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!


This card is more for benching than gaming. 




 
Using cisco0623's analogy of Automobiles, that like having a top performing NASCAR engine build on the Dynamometer producing record values and when the driver asks " When can I race it?" the production team says " Oh, not meant to be raced, only for the Dynamometer"  


 
Uh It's more like having a top performing NASCAR winning races and breaking records and then asking when you can take it to pick up groceries. People who don't bench ln2 should just get a regular classified. and People who don't bench at all. Well there are cards for them too.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 13:08:19 (permalink)
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This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3gb vram?
 
That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!


This card is more for benching than gaming. 




 
Using cisco0623's analogy of Automobiles, that like having a top performing NASCAR engine build on the Dynamometer producing record values and when the driver asks " When can I race it?" the production team says " Oh, not meant to be raced, only for the Dynamometer"  


 
Uh It's more like having a top performing NASCAR winning races and breaking records and then asking when you can take it to pick up groceries. People who don't bench ln2 should just get a regular classified. and People who don't bench at all. Well there are cards for them too.




 
So if I understand you correctly, this card is meant/designed only for Liquid Nitrogen Benchers.  If that is the case, why does the card not come with the pots to use Liquid Nitrogen Cooling instead of the ACX Cooler? For example, the Hydro-Copper comes with water blocks being designed for watercooling.
 
I have not seen one person question the 3gb of buffer memory that mentioned benching. I have seen multiple people question the amount of buffer memory that are worried about hitting the vram wall while gaming.  Has this card been marketed to the wrong crowd?
 
You think only Liquid Nitrogen Benchers will purchase this card?  If so, that was a lot of resources given to such a select group of consumers.


 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 13:20:47 (permalink)
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There could be a dual BIOS switch in which one BIOS enables 3GB of VRAM for benching, and the other BIOS enables all 6GB. So you could choose the best of both worlds.



This would be awesome. EVGA could even charge more for this little feature. 
 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 13:27:21 (permalink)
Everyone here knows the minute this is released, you're all going to get one. So quit complaining.

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 13:29:24 (permalink)
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Everyone here knows the minute this is released, you're all going to get one. So quit complaining.




Count me out.  6gb or greater, then nVidia can count on my purchases


 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 13:34:49 (permalink)
I just purchased two GTX 780 Ti Superclocked a week ago, and if this Kingpin edition isn't 6GB, I won't be compelled to use EVGA's Step-Up program (if the 780 Ti SC even qualified).
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 13:40:48 (permalink)
 
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There could be a dual BIOS switch in which one BIOS enables 3GB of VRAM for benching, and the other BIOS enables all 6GB. So you could choose the best of both worlds.



SajinThis would be awesome. EVGA could even charge more for this little feature. 
 




 
Only possible if nVidia would allow eVGA to put 6gb on the card. At least from my understanding of the situation, nVidia is the limiting factor, not eVGA. 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 14:35:59 (permalink)
nVidia didn't limit the amount of VRAM board partners could put on the 780Ti. 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 14:44:57 (permalink)
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nVidia didn't limit the amount of VRAM board partners could put on the 780Ti. 




 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 15:10:30 (permalink)
I read it on some news site a while back and have seen others on the forums mention it as well . Not sure of the source though. IIRC someone stated the source somewhere here on the forums so you could probably find it if you looked around.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 15:22:55 (permalink)
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This card is wicked. Looks gorgeous and they are definitely promoting it well, but 3gb vram?
 
That's like handing a guy a Lamborghini with 200 miles of empty road ahead, but you only have one gallon of gas!


This card is more for benching than gaming. 




 
Using cisco0623's analogy of Automobiles, that like having a top performing NASCAR engine build on the Dynamometer producing record values and when the driver asks " When can I race it?" the production team says " Oh, not meant to be raced, only for the Dynamometer"  


 
Uh It's more like having a top performing NASCAR winning races and breaking records and then asking when you can take it to pick up groceries. People who don't bench ln2 should just get a regular classified. and People who don't bench at all. Well there are cards for them too.




 
So if I understand you correctly, this card is meant/designed only for Liquid Nitrogen Benchers.  If that is the case, why does the card not come with the pots to use Liquid Nitrogen Cooling instead of the ACX Cooler? For example, the Hydro-Copper comes with water blocks being designed for watercooling.
 
I have not seen one person question the 3gb of buffer memory that mentioned benching. I have seen multiple people question the amount of buffer memory that are worried about hitting the vram wall while gaming.  Has this card been marketed to the wrong crowd?
 
You think only Liquid Nitrogen Benchers will purchase this card?  If so, that was a lot of resources given to such a select group of consumers.


That's essentially right. The normal classified will have 1.5 volts unlocked via evbot which is about the max you'll want to do under watercooling. This kingpin card will have more voltage and unlimited tdp (which doesn't matter until you get above 1.5v anyway, since we can set 600w power target in bios.) Maybe a better power regulation. Assuming these things, for someone running only watercooling, the kingpin will likely provide no benefit over the 780ti classified. That's my take on it anyway.
 
As for who will purchase it, I'm sure a lot of people will. For bragging rights or e-peen or what have you. The amount of people who purchase the card and actually make use of the added features above what you get with a normal classified will be slim. This is really smart business move by EVGA because they are giving the ln2 benchers something they want, get publicity out of the benching of these cards, and are going to make a mint off all the people who buy them that would have otherwise been happy with a normal classified if this card didn't exist.
 
As for people complaining about 6gb of vram. Those people, probably after seeing the videocardz article, were probably expecting a titan killer. Enough vram for 3x1440 displays and anti aliasing on triple 1080p or the like, AND 2880 cuda cores and higher clockspeed. And unfortunately for them this isn't that card. 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 17:42:46 (permalink)
I can't wait to cross on that card.
I will be happy as little kid. That will be nicest card I ever had. 
It will be good if on Spring I find some plus money for GTX580 Classified Ultra for PhysX. 
Because I can sell mine 580 stock in Belgrade for same price as people in USA sell Classified.
That would be hard core rig with power connectors enough for Tri Fire or 3way SLI.
It's little overkill 580 Classy for PhysX but that's idea.

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 19:31:32 (permalink)
Hmm looks like a 3GB card, since there is no VRAM on that side of the PCB< which is the rear side Good to know

 
I count 12 Ram chips, so for 3GB 384Bit GDDR5, you get the following:
12x 256MB 32Bit GDDR5 = 3072MB 384Bit GDDR5, thus that seems legit
 
A Titan has 6GB 384Bit GDDR5, so for that you get the following:
24x 256MB 32Bit for 6144MB 384Bit GDDR5
A Titan has 24 ram chips as it has 12 on it's top side plus another 12 on it's rear side
 
So due to that, I think that this card has 3072MB 384Bit GDDR5, now if it would have 12 x 512MB 32Bit GDDR5, that would give it a total of 6144MB 384Bit GDDR5, but as far as I recall, there are no 512MB 32Bit GDDR5 VRAM chips as of yet, so due to that, I don't think this card will ship with 6GB 384Bit GDDR5.
 
But due to this speculation of mine, I think that this GTX 780 Ti Classified King Pin Edition just has 3GB 384Bit GDDR5 over 6GB 384Bit GDDR5, like it's slower brothers that also have the same GK110-425-B1 GPGPU.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 21:54:32 (permalink)
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Hmm looks like a 3GB card, since there is no VRAM on that side of the PCB< which is the rear side Good to know

 
I count 12 Ram chips, so for 3GB 384Bit GDDR5, you get the following:
12x 256MB 32Bit GDDR5 = 3072MB 384Bit GDDR5, thus that seems legit
 
A Titan has 6GB 384Bit GDDR5, so for that you get the following:
24x 256MB 32Bit for 6144MB 384Bit GDDR5
A Titan has 24 ram chips as it has 12 on it's top side plus another 12 on it's rear side
 
So due to that, I think that this card has 3072MB 384Bit GDDR5, now if it would have 12 x 512MB 32Bit GDDR5, that would give it a total of 6144MB 384Bit GDDR5, but as far as I recall, there are no 512MB 32Bit GDDR5 VRAM chips as of yet, so due to that, I don't think this card will ship with 6GB 384Bit GDDR5.
 
But due to this speculation of mine, I think that this GTX 780 Ti Classified King Pin Edition just has 3GB 384Bit GDDR5 over 6GB 384Bit GDDR5, like it's slower brothers that also have the same GK110-425-B1 GPGPU.


Don't forget Quadro K6000 with 12GB VRAM, I don't think it has more than 24 VRAM chips
But not sure if it can run on 7Gbps or higher
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 22:07:01 (permalink)

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 22:22:13 (permalink)
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Count me out.  6gb or greater, then nVidia can count on my purchases




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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 23:01:45 (permalink)
jacob already confirmed that this card is 3gb's 

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 23:04:29 (permalink)
Looks like K|NGP|N edition uses 11-blade fans instead of 9-blade ones.
It must be more efficient.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 23:18:04 (permalink)
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Hmm looks like a 3GB card, since there is no VRAM on that side of the PCB< which is the rear side Good to know

 
I count 12 Ram chips, so for 3GB 384Bit GDDR5, you get the following:
12x 256MB 32Bit GDDR5 = 3072MB 384Bit GDDR5, thus that seems legit
 
A Titan has 6GB 384Bit GDDR5, so for that you get the following:
24x 256MB 32Bit for 6144MB 384Bit GDDR5
A Titan has 24 ram chips as it has 12 on it's top side plus another 12 on it's rear side
 
So due to that, I think that this card has 3072MB 384Bit GDDR5, now if it would have 12 x 512MB 32Bit GDDR5, that would give it a total of 6144MB 384Bit GDDR5, but as far as I recall, there are no 512MB 32Bit GDDR5 VRAM chips as of yet, so due to that, I don't think this card will ship with 6GB 384Bit GDDR5.
 
But due to this speculation of mine, I think that this GTX 780 Ti Classified King Pin Edition just has 3GB 384Bit GDDR5 over 6GB 384Bit GDDR5, like it's slower brothers that also have the same GK110-425-B1 GPGPU.


Don't forget Quadro K6000 with 12GB VRAM, I don't think it has more than 24 VRAM chips
But not sure if it can run on 7Gbps or higher


Hmm true that the Quadro K6000 has 24 Ram chips, but since it has ECC GDDR5, each ram chip is of a greater capacity than the ones used on a GeForce product.
 
The same that Server ECC Reg system ram has also larger quantities per chip & module than the conventional Desktop non ECC system ram, which would explain the ram size difference per chip of the Quadro over the Titan hehe Cool you were the only one to notice this difference!


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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/05 23:23:21 (permalink)
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Looks like K|NGP|N edition uses 11-blade fans instead of 9-blade ones.
It must be more efficient.




Good Catch :) 
I think they might be slightly larger diameter as well but it's hard to tell.

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