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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 15:27:51 (permalink)
With Nvidia's marketing team nailing down the release schedule to milk the industry dry, I won't be jumping on this Ti Classified bandwagon.  
 
In addition, after my experiences with my 780 Classifieds, I don't think I'll be purchasing a classified card again - unless I go all out in water cooling.  I share the growing sentiment with others:
 
The 780 Classified is awesome.  Overclocking it to beat my Titans (argh) is just awesome.  It's an awesome looking card, especially with the should-have-been-included backplates.  It's awesome to probe into the volts with the ProbeIT.  It's awesome to flash one bios and not the other.  It's an awesome card!
 
But... It is just a PITA to overclock that much on air, tweak, keep it stable between games and benchmarks, and overall just enjoy the card.  I mean, nothing worse than having a 10 kill streak in BF3 then to get a "Display Driver" crash with what you were sure was low-enough clocks tested for hours in benchmarks, valley, and BF3 before. 
 
It was very enjoyable to overclock it to the extremes, and was a lot of fun.  I really mean it, it was a lot of fun!  But, only for the first few days.  After that, I just wanted performance out of the card to enjoy it but I was sucked down the black hole of tweaking even more or "hey, it hit 79C one time - maybe if I lower the voltage down just a notch I can keep it from downclocking next time... Display Driver crash, argh!"  [sarcasm] The wife almost left me, the dog ignored me, the kids ran off with the neighbors, couldn't sleep thinking of the next combination to try, etc... [/sarcasm]  You get the idea.
 
^- If you own a Classified card, and don't spend this much time with it, you are not worthy!
 
That, mixed with there was no BIOS editor for the 700 series like we had with the 400/500/600 series cards that made it easy to set the voltages and be done with it.  So annoying to frack with the EVBot/Classified tool over and over and over again.
 
This is why I have jumped over to the Titans (purchased used a deep discount).  Though I can't tell much of a difference with Double Precision yet as I haven't build any new models yet under AutoCAD, the 6 GB of ram tells me I am secure for a while being.  And not being a classified, there's not much I can do with the card except some Afterburner overvolt hacks - but they already run too hot to even mess that much.
 
That black-n-red-n-clear-n-fake-carbon-fiber housing combination of the 780 Ti Classified does look really good.  
 

 

 

 

 
 
I'm thinking about painting my VRM plate and backplates of my Titan ACX coolers bright read as well.  Would look good under those hinksink fins.
 
But knowing it will be $750 to $800 (same price as 780 Classifieds + Backplates a few months ago)...
 
and the Titan II/Ultra due out in Feb '14...
and the 800 series due out in May '14...
and the 880 Classified due out in July/Aug '14...
and the price drops due November '14...
and the 880 Ti due out November  '14...
 
etc... I'll just skip it all until my frame rates drop enough to matter or 6 GB+ becomes the norm on GPUs.  Heck, I may can pick up a few 780 Ti Classifieds on the used market 1 year from now for about $450.
 
(notice the release schedule I mentioned is on par with the 600 and 700 series, as I followed those as well)
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 15:45:44 (permalink)
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lehpronSeeing how the hints given were so vague and could mean anything, people choose to settle on best case scenario ideas based on hope and hype alone; EVGA just isn't responsible for all that.  Unfortunately, these spoiled brats will blame EVGA for not getting what they thought when there is absolutely no indication in those pictures.

I'm not sure where you're coming from, but look at my posts I've always have and always will stand behind EVGA. I've never blamed them for a single thing, just commenting on a post, if it so happens to be a backplate(speculation only) then so be it.

  1. If you've read my posts, you would not have voluntarily assumed I was talking about you when I used the phrase "these spoiled brats" in third-person just because my quoted post followed some coincidental sequence.  Perhaps you're used to being treated that way and attempted to anticipate, but that just means you didn't know where I was coming from.
  2. Mentioning that you stand by EVGA doesn't help your case as I don't buy into brand loyalty period.  I see it as useless emotionalism which does not affect random quality control and development processes that are out of EVGA's hands entirely.  I do however tend to side with companies that know what they are doing ahead of customers that typically lack the big picture and don't care for anything but their own interests; also in most of my posts, just so you know where I'm coming from.
 
Seeing how JabobF has repeatedly mentioned that there are no 6GB cards planned other than Titan, I'd like to hope you will see who I could be talking about when they complain about not getting what they wanted when there was no indication or low demand-- per my original point. 
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The 800's are coming soon.  Just sayin'. ;)
Be careful what you wish for (Hint: 9600GT).  I realize enthusiast status quo assumes the best scenario while ignoring the worst case and acting surprised when it comes, but I'm just saying too.  Considering that nVidia brought GTX780 Ti as a response to the threat AMD's R9-290/290X posed to GTX780and only if they know of another AMD R9 variant approaching (one that hasn't appeared in rumors yet) that may threaten GTX780 Ti and Titan, there is no hurry to make a faster reference model than Titan/780 Ti.  This is all deja vous; back in fall 2007, nVidia countered the threat than AMD's HD3850 posed on a void left between 8600GTS and 8800GTS with a midrange 9-series debut: 9600GT.  nVidia broke tradition, high-end didn't come first-- we're in this situation right.


Yeah I probably stuck my foot in my mouth at that moment initially, however I stand by EVGA not solely as brand loyalty only even though they have great products, but due to their top notch service that IMO nobody else can touch. It's my bad assuming where you were coming from, just so you know.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 16:37:23 (permalink)
800's are coming soon but guess what? Nvidia is releasing the mid-range 800 series first. We wont see the high end 800 series until Q4 of 2014.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 17:16:37 (permalink)
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800's are coming soon but guess what? Nvidia is releasing the mid-range 800 series first. We wont see the high end 800 series until Q4 of 2014.

 
That would be a break from their traditional release schedule with the 500, 600 and 700 series.  Do you have a link/proof of that?  The only reason I would see Nvidia's marketing team doing this would be to introduce not only a Titan II/Ultra, but also a 3rd version of a Titan or something in-between it as their new "flagship card."  But that wouldn't make sense to maximize profits across the previous generation GPUs...
 
The "Flagship" has recently always been first (580, 680, 780), followed by the mid range cards trickling out in order (X70, X60, X50, X60 Ti, etc).  Makes sense from a marketing perspective to do this: blow away the competition first with a big price point.  Once sticker shock wears off, trickle out the lower-end cards and drop the pricing on older series cards at the same time.  Note when the 800 series comes out this, follow the price index of the 780, 770 and 760s as the trickle out the mid-range cards later on. They drop ever so slightly. This way they maximize sales of the older series cards, while introducing the next lower-end card later on.
 
Just a reminder: It's Nvidia setting the release and pricing schedule per NDA.  Not sure when the pricing lock ends after X number of months/years; but, considering the 600 series is still priced the same across all brands, we can say it is at least 1.5 to 2 years.
 
 
I've always been wanting to create an Nvidia Release Schedule on Google Calendar, so everyone knows when to expect price drops and "the next big thing."  They have been releasing like clockwork with this schedule over the past several years now.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 17:40:49 (permalink)
I just want 2 780ti Classifieds kingpin or not, then I will purchase the next best and the next and the next, it's only the best for a short period and that's the period I want it for, when it's not the best I want whatever is. Bencher not a gamer, no reason to overclock at all for gaming, gaming requires stability over another 100 mhz.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 21:45:15 (permalink)
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"780 Ti K|ngp|n Edition"?  Don't y'all remember when you paid over $1000 for a Titan because it was the "fastest card on Earth" for about 10 minutes? lol
 
The 800's are coming soon.  Just sayin'. ;)


 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 22:47:23 (permalink)
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I just want 2 780ti Classifieds kingpin or not, then I will purchase the next best and the next and the next, it's only the best for a short period and that's the period I want it for, when it's not the best I want whatever is. Bencher not a gamer, no reason to overclock at all for gaming, gaming requires stability over another 100 mhz.


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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 23:49:33 (permalink)
Since the GTX-780 Ti Classified KingPin is confirmed to have "only" 3GB VRAM, the extra power connector (2 8 pin and 1 6 pin) will enable better OC if you can give it enough juice! Having four of them (like I had 4 GTX-580 Classified with 3 8 pin connectors that required 2 1200W PSUs) would be epic.
 
Yet, I don't see another 6GB (possibly 12GB VRAM) card coming out until Maxwell. 
 
NVidia have already screwed the Titan customers by producing the GTX-780. The only reason I haven't dumped my Titans is the 6GB VRAM - I need it. 
 
I want a 12GB GTX-780 Ti Classified with 3 8 Pin connectors so that I can calmly game at 1400Mhz+ in 4-Way SLI!

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/03 23:51:34 (permalink)
Betcha I'd be getting new cards every release if I didn't have this habit of getting a new smartphone every six months XD... May have to sell my GS4 for this one though!
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 01:36:26 (permalink)
Just a question I have for those Classifieds...
What is the MAX F/s I might get with a 780Ti Classy if I combine ALL technologies of Nvidia (textures+3D vision) on a maxed big game title (like BF4 or AC4)?
 
Will a 750W PSU be enough if i am OCing it (also my as my CPU i7 4930k)?
 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 06:07:41 (permalink)
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I just want 2 780ti Classifieds kingpin or not, then I will purchase the next best and the next and the next, it's only the best for a short period and that's the period I want it for, when it's not the best I want whatever is. Bencher not a gamer, no reason to overclock at all for gaming, gaming requires stability over another 100 mhz.




And this is why EVGA will continue with their monthly iterative refresh schedule.

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 06:27:05 (permalink)
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And this is why EVGA will continue with their monthly iterative refresh schedule.




 
Makes me think of Taco Bell.  All the different names on the menu are basically the same ingredients. 
 
Same thing is happening with all these different SKU's of cards


 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 06:50:50 (permalink)
Well, im starting to think since Kingpin is kingpin and what his name implies, being a "Kingpin", that maybe that card is a dual 770 gpu card or higher, which EVGA is known to make there own variants of dual gpu cards. As far as the 8XX series goes I wont touch it until the 9xx series hits and we get proper card configs cause you know the first drops are gonna be gimps just like the 6xx's.

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 06:56:10 (permalink)
Not sure if this was posted or not
 

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 07:00:51 (permalink)
It is said Kingpin will be 3GB...

I hope it is not true
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 07:04:34 (permalink)
That's interesting Viper!! They got the EVbot connection, extra power and they removed the metal shroud in favor of clear plastic and black stickers to fix the vibration issue it seems. should be a really fun card to play with!! nice work EVGA.  \m/

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 07:20:09 (permalink)
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 11:21:12 (permalink)
http://forums.hardwarezon...-6gb-ddr5-4486178.html
 
How sad, availability won't be until next year.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 11:39:30 (permalink)
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http://forums.hardwarezon...-6gb-ddr5-4486178.html
 
How sad, availability won't be until next year.


It will be 3GB also. 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 12:39:47 (permalink)
Reading between the lines of a number of articles I thought they said it was suppose to be $999 and 6Gb.  Currently running a 5970 from 2009 and that has a 512 bus and 2Gb and overclocks nicely to 850/1200 on air so there is no way I am going to invest $1000 for a 3Gb card in 2014 with a 385 bit bus.  The Titan with its slow speed is also getting a little stale.


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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 12:59:32 (permalink)
This card will be 3GB I think also, otherwise the only advantage Titan will have is it's 6.7 times faster Double Precision Rendering performance of 1.5 Teraflops per sec compared to the 234 Gigaflops per sec from that of the 780 Ti
 
NVIDIA would never allow any company to give a 780 Ti, 6GB, this way NVIDIA would be cutting themselves in their own fingers, by harming their GTX Titan sales, a very bad move imo
 
If you want a 6GB VGA card, the GTX Titan is the only way, it costs a lot more, but you do get for what you pay for, the best of all VGA cards, period Especially when it comes to resolutions as 3820 x 2160 & 4096 x 2160.
For that same money I'd buy a Titan and OC it to GTX 780 Ti Speeds, this has been done many times, I even know Titan owners that run beyond the 1.5Ghz GPU with a special Bios.
Titans are stillt he way to go and I'd sign up for a pair of Titans over anything else, any day.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 13:08:55 (permalink)
My god I want that CAAAARD!
I have 200e for now saved. I don't know how to sell mine card.
8+8+6 pin...Like 580 Classified. That's MUST HAVE OR I WILL DIE.
LITERALLY CARD LOOK EXCELLENT. WHERE WAS MY MINDS TO BUY GTX670 CLASS.
IF SOMEONE WANT SOMEHOW IN SOME CASE, IN SOME I DON'T KNOW WEIRD SITUATION TO SELL THIS NEW CARD FOR WEAKER AND MONEY BECAUSE I CAN'T BUY IMMEDIATELY I WILL SEND HIM FIRST MINE AND MONEY AND THAN WHEN THAT ARRIVE HE CAN SEND ME CARD.
BUT ANYWAY I WILL TRY TO SELL MY HOW I CAN AND KNOW.
Yes that's card for me, AMD can make similar performance but they simply can't make such cards, I'm maniac I want more and more pin connectors,
more is better, and cards with 8+6 simply not exist for me. 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 13:15:09 (permalink)
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and the Titan II/Ultra due out in Feb '14...

 
 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 13:20:45 (permalink)
I don't want to lie, it'snot nicer than GTX580 Classified, but I didn't expect that, but it's immediately after and closest to her with look.
This color combination is killer and even without carbon parts. Red or Dead. Cruel and brutal custom GeForce.
I hope she have some LED lights on self... At this moment over 15 LEDs only from hardware I have in PC.
Don't need LED fans or anything I can see everything inside.
I can't sleep now because this card... She will turn off Seasonic Gold X-750 I can bet in that.
Titan SLI or this for same price, GTX780Ti Classified KPE without thinking.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 13:47:05 (permalink)
Longing for the days of:   vanilla - SC - SSC - FTW
 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 14:51:41 (permalink)
Nah, Vanilla - SC - SSC - FTW - Classified...
 
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 15:50:38 (permalink)
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and the Titan II/Ultra due out in Feb '14...

 
 
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Standard Nvidia's Marketing Team release schedule:
 
Titan II/Ultra due out in Feb '14...
880 due out in May '14...
880 Classified due out in July/Aug '14...
price drops due November '14...
880 Ti due out November  '14...
 
Give or take +/- 1 month.
 
It hasn't changed since the 400 series cards (400, 500, 600 and 700).  The only difference is they for the 700 series they released a "Titan" instead of a dual-GPU card this last time around, and a few months late.  So something is changing there in their marketing plans.  The Titan, a card between gamers and Quadro cards, that milked the $1000 market, and very successfully at that.  I see no reason why Nvidia will not continue in that segment and release a Titan II/Black/whatever-it-will-be-called.
 
 
 

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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 16:01:42 (permalink)
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I'm thinking about painting my VRM plate and backplates of my Titan ACX coolers bright read as well.
Don't do it unless you actually want higher temperatures.
 
 
These plates are still heatsinks, they operate based on heat convection rather than heat conduction (i.e. contact), but if you cover the sides closest to heat sources, it won't function properly; you create an insulation with the paint if it is too thick. 
 
If you want to use the logic "EVGA did it, why can't I", they have different techniques; they've determined the necessary thickness to still transfer heat efficiently, whereas you wouldn't know because you're focused on form rather than function.  
 
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It hasn't changed since the 400 series cards (400, 500, 600 and 700).  The only difference is they for the 700 series they released a "Titan" instead of a dual-GPU card this last time around, and a few months late.  So something is changing there in their marketing plans.
Yeah, it is called "AMD".  
 
 
GTX780 Ti came as a result of Hawaii's threat to GTX780, otherwise it wouldn't have come; Titan came because AMD wasn't around to threaten their sales monopoly.  If you're not going to consider looking into the competition's next move, and I'm not sympathetic to loyalties, then your predictions are by default inaccurate since you forget that nVidia doesn't operate independently.
 
They don't make products for us, they do it to protect their bottom line and keep us from AMD.  There is no logical reason an even higher-end product would show unless AMD was doing the same or couldn't do anything about it.  We would need some indication of evidence; not hope, hype and faith-- all of which isn't logic.
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Re: Possible 780ti/Titan with K|ngP|n design/input? 2013/12/04 19:36:36 (permalink)
GTX 780 Ti Kingpin would be the absolute best card today but with only 3 Gb it’s not a particularly compelling long-term value.  BF4 can all ready hits the 3 Gb ram wall.


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