Performance degradation on 1080 FTW

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2016/11/24 09:28:00 (permalink)
Hello,
After upgrading to the new vbios and putting on the thermal pads I noticed a 25-30% degradation in frames in games, forexample, on a 1080p monitor, precision x and Nvidia overlay display approx 95-105 fps on Bf 1 and low demanding games like league of legends see a huge interval of around 120-270 frames. Prior to doing physical upgrade on the card, bf 1 saw around 140-150 frames whereas league had a stable 250-300 frames.

Is there any explanation as to why this is?? Anyone else experiencing this?
Maybe I applied too much thermal paste or dinged a part of the card?

Thank you.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 09:33:03 (permalink)
    Welcome to the Forum JUSTPOOKY
    As you made the above changes did you also change the Graphics Drivers?
    You have not posted any Temperatures!
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 09:38:30 (permalink)
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    Welcome to the Forum
    As you made the above changes did you also change the Graphics Drivers?
    You have not posted any Temperatures!


    The drivers are up to date and I am idling at 34 degreess and see up to 73 degrees in Bf1 and 54 degrees in league of legends. The driver updates where done before the installation of the pads.

    Im not too familiar with what the temperatures should be at but according to gamersnexus report it shows somewhere around the 20 degrees range at idle using thermal probes whereas I'm looking at temperatures through the precision software.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 09:45:02 (permalink)
    Not even under water would your Idle Temps be 20C
    Do a clean Driver install, that is remove the Current Drivers and run DDU.
    Then install the Driver that you want to use and re-test.
    Temps under 80C are fine btw.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 10:38:41 (permalink)
    Both mine are under water and idle temp is 27 - 29. I watched that Vid by gamernexus and I thought they said a 20 degree drop when doing the thermal pad mod and bios update.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 10:40:59 (permalink)
    Sorry my mistake I thought ambient meant idle temperatures. So, I'm feeling that 34 degrees on idle browsing is fairly normal. Still scratching my head at the frame drop..
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 11:15:55 (permalink)
    Have you used DDU? It's free and a VERY good tool for uninstalling video drivers. It's a very good step to take when you're having video issues.
     
    http://www.wagnardsoft.co...94079dec95b7e766c4e684
     
    When presented with the option window, choose Safe Mode. Your computer will reboot to safe mode and DDU will open. Make sure Nvidia drivers are selected, and choose Clean. Your computer will restart, and now you can install the driver version of your choice and test again.
     
     
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 11:29:26 (permalink)
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    Have you used DDU? It's free and a VERY good tool for uninstalling video drivers. It's a very good step to take when you're having video issues.
     
    http://www.wagnardsoft.co...94079dec95b7e766c4e684
     
    When presented with the option window, choose Safe Mode. Your computer will reboot to safe mode and DDU will open. Make sure Nvidia drivers are selected, and choose Clean. Your computer will restart, and now you can install the driver version of your choice and test again.
     
     




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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 11:31:05 (permalink)
    So I finished the DDU and the reinstallation of the most recent drivers, still seeing the lowered frame rates.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 11:43:42 (permalink)
    Then I would try steps 1, test. Then 5 and 6 if that fails to help. http://forums.evga.com/Basic-troubleshooting-steps-Windows-clean-boot-clean-driver-install-debug-mode-etc-m2504606.aspx
     
    Step 5 will require you to find out where the game's configuration file, typically config.ini or similar, and you may need to Google the game name + configuration file location to find out where it is located.
     
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 11:47:43 (permalink)
    Is there any chance that I may have messed up the internals a tiny bit during installation of the pads? Or excess of thermal paste? Just seems very unlikely that the drivers are causing this since the frames before and after installations decreased on the same driver.

    Thanks for the help.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 12:02:41 (permalink)
    what you OC'ing it to? 
     
    my 1080FTW only likes a +40 gpu and +750 memory gives me a stable 2063Mhz gpu  anything above these values degrades my performance,
     
    a whole lot of issues affect frame rate and a most of them are not gfx card related!
     
    post edited by baconinabun - 2016/11/24 13:12:32
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 12:09:16 (permalink)
    The only thing I've done to the card is vbios and the thermal pads so far, it is running on clock speeds.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 12:16:06 (permalink)
    if the games are play fine enough turn off the FPS counter and enjoy your gfx card, put it this way my r9 290 in bf4 used to say 200frames when mantle was enabled, so go figure, bf4 on my 1080 says 70-90frames do i believe FPS counters HELL NO, and neither should you :D
     
    P.S the only information i need to see is clocks, amount of memory the game is using on the gfx card, power limit, temp limit, gpu temp and cpu temp and that's about it :D
     
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 12:23:06 (permalink)
    Same here man. My original 1080 FTW stopped working so EVGA sent me a new one with thermal pads and the new BIOS. My new card runs at 50-60 MHz higher clocks and the temps are 30 C degrees lower but somehow the card performs a lot WORSE. I've tried a bunch of things but haven't found an answer yet. 
     
    Here's a link a to my thread if you are curious:
    http://forums.evga.com/Ne...ce-m2584626.aspx 
     

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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 12:28:26 (permalink)
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    Same here man. My original 1080 FTW stopped working so EVGA sent me a new one with thermal pads and the new BIOS. My new card runs at 50-60 MHz higher clocks and the temps are 30 C degrees lower but somehow the card performs a lot WORSE. I've tried a bunch of things but haven't found an answer yet. 
     
    Here's a link a to my thread if you are curious:
    http://forums.evga.com/Ne...ce-m2584626.aspx 
     


     
    i do like the final post in that thread "Does anybody else have the Windows 10 anniversary update?" lol i would have thought everyone and their uncle would be using it and onto further versions than that 
     
     
    you tried downclocking the gpu? -50 or -60? on XOC mine put the voltage slider on left side to 100% unlink power target and temp target 
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 12:57:33 (permalink)
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    Same here man. My original 1080 FTW stopped working so EVGA sent me a new one with thermal pads and the new BIOS. My new card runs at 50-60 MHz higher clocks and the temps are 30 C degrees lower but somehow the card performs a lot WORSE. I've tried a bunch of things but haven't found an answer yet. 
     
    Here's a link a to my thread if you are curious:
    http://forums.evga.com/Ne...ce-m2584626.aspx 
     


     
    i do like the final post in that thread "Does anybody else have the Windows 10 anniversary update?" lol i would have thought everyone and their uncle would be using it and onto further versions than that 
     
     
    you tried downclocking the gpu? -50 or -60? on XOC mine put the voltage slider on left side to 100% unlink power target and temp target 


    I have not tried downclocking it in the negatives. Surely that can't increase performance though? Stock/default at 0 is the lowest clock I've tried. With the voltage, my last one was always on default as well so I've left it that way mostly. I did try 100% with no improvement. My power target is at 130% and my temp target is at 92 C. I can go that high because I use slave mode on the GPU. I did also try master mode at 120%/91 C with no improvement. 
     
    I'll keep an eye out on this thread. I'm curious to see if you find any fix. 

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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 13:03:06 (permalink)
    slide your bios switch to the left(primary) and reboot, you might think it's a bit odd as you get a higher power target on the secondary bios(slave), i found the secondary bios is crippled in some way 
     
    when unlinked lower the temp target down by 1
     
     
     
    post edited by baconinabun - 2016/11/24 13:09:57
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 14:17:06 (permalink)
    I posted my performance on my EVGA GTX 1070 FTW ACX 3.x cooler, on the 63rd page of the VBIOS update thread.   The O.P. might find the read interesting.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 16:37:46 (permalink)
    very interesting youtube from jayztwocents
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKWbKCKsWVQ
     
    he covers a lot of things in this video about clocks on pascal, also speaks basically about your gripes yous want to watch from 9.16 but i would advise you to watch from beginning and listen to what he's saying
     
    i think what i'm trying to say is that just because your card says its at 2103 to start with that's going to drop, when the temps/volt start drop your Frame rate will drop also, pads will take time to bed in also,  
     
     
     
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 20:17:50 (permalink)
    I'd understand that, what's also really strange is that I ran fire mark with a score of 18,333 so it'son point with other 1080 cards hoeever the frame rates compared to other cards in game just doesnt make any sense.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/24 22:11:44 (permalink)
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    Hello,
    After upgrading to the new vbios and putting on the thermal pads I noticed a 25-30% degradation in frames in games, forexample, on a 1080p monitor, precision x and Nvidia overlay display approx 95-105 fps on Bf 1 and low demanding games like league of legends see a huge interval of around 120-270 frames. Prior to doing physical upgrade on the card, bf 1 saw around 140-150 frames whereas league had a stable 250-300 frames.

    Is there any explanation as to why this is?? Anyone else experiencing this?
    Maybe I applied too much thermal paste or dinged a part of the card?

    Thank you.



    In regards to BF1, I was wondering about the same performance drop but it doesn't seem to be a EVGA-based problem. Using Nvidia 375.95 drivers, BF1 2560x1440p Ultra settings @ DX12 is buggy as hell. FPS dips down to even 30 fps (!) in the game menus sometimes, when loading the game. In the game itself, the dips occur between 60-200. Its really unstable.
     
    However, BF1 2560x1440p Ultra settings @ DX11 is very stable, I would say FPS stays consistently between 110-200 with my rig.
     
    A lot of other BF1 players with different GPUs complaining about the same performance problems. Moral of the story, if you are using DX12, change to DX11 in the BF1 graphics options.
     
    EDIT: I only play Conquest 64 players.
     
    In regards to thermal paste, I have redone mine twice, with the same temperature results. First time I used the cross method, second time I used the pea sized drop in the middle of the gpu die. Both CPU and GPU around 55-60c in BF1 after a few hours of non-stop gameplay, both cooled with the EK-XLC Predator 280 QDC with 2x EK Vardar Predator Edition 140mm fans.
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    Re: Performance degradation on 1080 FTW 2016/11/25 01:09:58 (permalink)
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    slide your bios switch to the left(primary) and reboot, you might think it's a bit odd as you get a higher power target on the secondary bios(slave), i found the secondary bios is crippled in some way 
     
    when unlinked lower the temp target down by 1
     
     
     


    I tried both and no difference really. 
    baconinabun
    very interesting youtube from jayztwocents
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKWbKCKsWVQ
     
    he covers a lot of things in this video about clocks on pascal, also speaks basically about your gripes yous want to watch from 9.16 but i would advise you to watch from beginning and listen to what he's saying
     
    i think what i'm trying to say is that just because your card says its at 2103 to start with that's going to drop, when the temps/volt start drop your Frame rate will drop also, pads will take time to bed in also,  
     
     
     


    In my own personal case, I'm running a consistent clock of 2100 MHz at 40-50C and it's somehow performing worse than my release day GTX 1080 which ran at a consistent 2000 MHz with temps of 70-80 C. Makes no sense and I can't figure it out. 

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