This is a somewhat old story (last week), but nobody else posted it.
 
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gp100-geforce-gtx-titan-launch/
 
What do you think Nvidia's asking price will be for 50% over GTX 1080, twice the VRAM, and HBM2?  $1500?

Hoping it is a worthy upgrade over the 980ti.

if it comes with hbm2 it isn't gonna be cheap
 
it requires interposer substrate and the HBM2 - so it's gonna be pricy
if you thought high end Ti's and titan were pricy before add a few hundred to the price
 
why HBM2 is more expensive #1 and you have more ram #2 and HBM2 avail #3
interposer adds and extended cost because of higher cost to make - take silicon -chip add it to substrate and add a ram controller level(substrate) for the HBM2 and the HBM2   #4
 
and it's new manufacturing process #5

 
 3 layers of pins - 2 hidden - and why the process is more expensive
lining up pins  and solder issues are the problem here
 
 
 

gridironcpj

Xavier Zepherious
if it comes with hbm2 it isn't gonna be cheap
 
it requires interposer substrate and the HBM2 - so it's gonna be pricy
if you thought high end Ti's and titan were pricy before add a few hundred to the price
 
why HBM2 is more expensive #1 and you have more ram #2 and HBM2 avail #3
interposer adds and extended cost because of higher cost to make - take silicon -chip add it to substrate and add a ram controller level(substrate) for the HBM2 and the HBM2   #4
 
and it's new manufacturing process #5

 
 3 layers of pins - 2 hidden - and why the process is more expensive
lining up pins  and solder issues are the problem here
 
 
 

I guess the main concern for most of us is the following: Will HBM2 matter for gaming?  If not, I'll gladly opt for a pair of 1080 Ti with GDDR5X.  

I believe the biggest advantages of hbm is the reduced card size and increased memory amount. I would be happy to have smaller cards in the future. Though maybe speed matters in games, unlike ddr4 vs ddr3.

$1K for a Gamer GPU, Not for me!
 
With DX12 & Vulcan, I could see $500 GPU(Hit 1440P/4K @200FPS@120Hz) Now how bout them non-lazy game delvs.....

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gridironcpj

Xavier Zepherious
if it comes with hbm2 it isn't gonna be cheap
 
it requires interposer substrate and the HBM2 - so it's gonna be pricy
if you thought high end Ti's and titan were pricy before add a few hundred to the price
 
why HBM2 is more expensive #1 and you have more ram #2 and HBM2 avail #3
interposer adds and extended cost because of higher cost to make - take silicon -chip add it to substrate and add a ram controller level(substrate) for the HBM2 and the HBM2   #4
 
and it's new manufacturing process #5

 
 3 layers of pins - 2 hidden - and why the process is more expensive
lining up pins  and solder issues are the problem here
 
 
 

I guess the main concern for most of us is the following: Will HBM2 matter for gaming?  If not, I'll gladly opt for a pair of 1080 Ti with GDDR5X.  

I believe the biggest advantages of hbm is the reduced card size and increased memory amount. I would be happy to have smaller cards in the future. Though maybe speed matters in games, unlike ddr4 vs ddr3.

Well, games have become much more VRAM intensive over the past few years, so maybe we'll be in luck with HBM2, although HBM1 didn't seem to help AMD much, if at all.  

I read that price will be around 1200$.... 
Do you know what... Price of hardware become disgusting. 
No I will not gave up from PC gaming... But do you know what... one i7 every 5 years, mATX board and two graphics similar to RX-480X on 3 years are enough.
NVIDIA become so expensive that you can't enjoy as man. For 1200$ you can good weapons for next 20-30 years, example one of best crossbow from carbon fibers and other really expensive materials, optic and arrows for bears and they ask same for peace of silicon video memory and 30$ worth rest materials. 
And how you can enjoy when for 10 months new will show up for 1500$ and your wallet bill shorter for 1200-1500$. You will install 5-6 drivers and better hardware will be available for higher price. 1200$ is exactly 1500 euro in Europe.
Number of people ready to buy that reference GeForce not even 40% confirmed stronger than GTX1080 is similar to people who asked ASUS ARES in past.
Soon gaming world will separate...
on people who want to buy hardware and enjoy in gameplay on high details and people who will payed 500-600% higher price for benchmarking.
 
Or simply good part of people will decide to play most graphic demanding games 2-3 years after launch date.
On that way they will pay 300-400% lower price for hardware. 
 
 

gridironcpj


Well, games have become much more VRAM intensive over the past few years, so maybe we'll be in luck with HBM2, although HBM1 didn't seem to help AMD much, if at all.  

I'm starting to finally understand that AMD is only here to offer the people "tolerable" FPS. Hence performance/dollar. From what i can see, they're not even trying to compete with Nvidia, at all. It's the people forcing that idea, and your crap media, with the lousy tech websites comparing Nvidia's GPUs with AMD's to give cheap thrills... AMD does offer a good variety to choose from, I'll give them that.