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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 11:47:00 (permalink)
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Oh no, not the 48-core system!   So sorry.
 

Thanks Punchy, still not giving up....

 


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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 11:48:13 (permalink)
The forum system ate my earlier reply to , so here's try #2.
 
Following is an example C:\ProgramData\BOINC\cc_config.xml file, taken from a 4P E7 box with HT enabled in the BIOS, to make sure BOINC uses all available cores.  
 
<cc_config>
   <options>
       <ncpus>128</ncpus>
       <report_results_immediately>1</report_results_immediately>
   </options>
</cc_config>

 
On projects that don't like HT, I've simply changed the 'ncpus' value to 64, saved, clicked Options > Read Config Files in BOINC and been done with it.  This wasn't 100% the same as going into the BIOS and disabling HT, but it was close enough!  For whatever reason, GCW SV wu's don't play nice with this method as shown by WU times being all over the place.
 
This is kind of moot now, since it seems that running HT on these WUs with Haswell systems, while not optimal, doesn't hurt; but it's still useful to know about for various reasons.  :-) 
 
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 11:56:14 (permalink)
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Oh no, not the 48-core system!   So sorry.
 
Bcav, your system has so many threads it's hard to see the scheduling behavior.  Not that too many threads is a problem... On my dual 8-core system, it's a little easier to see.  In task manager the two threads of a physical core are together in left-right pairs.
 
On my system, the highest numbered cores don't swap between threads too much, for example the CPU 1 Core 7 pair.  You can see how the two threads are taking turns, so one's peaks are the other's valleys, on CPU 0 Core 6, and even CPU 0 Core 0 where you have to look closer.  The more often they switch, the harder it is to see.
 
I'm not sure why your system is showing 56% utilization.  Are you folding at the same time?  Whatever that 6% extra load is might be making things a little harder for the scheduler.
 
 
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Not sure why, I am running 48% that is 26 Tasks. Two CPUs 14 Cores or 28 Threads Each.
If I change it to 50% or 28 Tasks then it takes 60%.
Time wise with HT off my times were 3900 to 4100 and now they are 4200 to 4400 with HT on and running 48% CPUs.
I am not running any other application on this server. I pulled my GTX 1080 Cards out a month or so ago.
Idle goes between 52% and 54% Also this is Windows Server 2012 R2
 
 2*26 is 52% and 2*28 is 56%
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 12:22:32 (permalink)
Until BAM adds a feature to disable HT in the BIOS, I'll use the 50% CPUs or fastgeek's cc_config methods when I'm too lazy to physically get to a system to change it.  From bcav's test it's not quite as efficient by 5-10%, but should still be better than running too many tasks for projects that dislike that.
 
fastgeek, your sample implies you're running more than 64 logical threads under Windows.  Are you using an older version of Windows or a patched BOINC client?  Newer versions of Windows create multiple processor groups when there are more  than 64 threads, and BOINC tasks don't get spread across processor groups correctly.  See  https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10124 
 


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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 12:41:36 (permalink)
After three days:

Challenge: Isaac Newton's Birthday
App: 29 (GCW-Sieve)
(As of 2017-01-06 18:25:23 UTC)

592025 tasks have been sent out. [CPU/GPU/anonymous_platform: 586467 (99%) / 0 (0%) / 5558 (1%)]

Of those tasks that have been sent out:

9115 (2%) came back with some kind of an error. [9016 (2%) / 0 (0%) / 99 (0%)]
403028 (68%) have returned a successful result. [397868 (67%) / 0 (0%) / 5163 (1%)]
179924 (30%) are still in progress. [179629 (30%) / 0 (0%) / 296 (0%)]

Of the tasks that have been returned successfully:

110287 (27%) are pending validation. [108916 (27%) / 0 (0%) / 1374 (0%)]
292727 (73%) have been successfully validated. [288942 (72%) / 0 (0%) / 3785 (1%)]
8 (0%) were invalid. [5 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 3 (0%)]
6 (0%) are inconclusive. [5 (0%) / 0 (0%) / 1 (0%)]


Participation in this challenge is incredible. At the start of the challenge, the leading edges of the GCW sieves varied from 8T to 20T, depending on the base. The leading edges, after three days of the challenge, are at 13T to 34T.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 12:53:12 (permalink)
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Until BAM adds a feature to disable HT in the BIOS, I'll use the 50% CPUs or fastgeek's cc_config methods when I'm too lazy to physically get to a system to change it.  From bcav's test it's not quite as efficient by 5-10%, but should still be better than running too many tasks for projects that dislike that.
 
fastgeek, your sample implies you're running more than 64 logical threads under Windows.  Are you using an older version of Windows or a patched BOINC client?  Newer versions of Windows create multiple processor groups when there are more  than 64 threads, and BOINC tasks don't get spread across processor groups correctly.  See  https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10124 
 


What is this "fastgeek's cc_config methods" can you post it?
From what Mumak posted I can see the same on my rigs with only 12 or 16 threads; I would run 70% of the CPU but it run 100% of the CPU.
 
<ncpus>N</ncpus> Act as if there were N CPUs; e.g. to simulate 2 CPUs on a machine that has only 1.
To use the number of available CPUs, set the value to -1 (was 0 which in newer clients really means zero).
 
Now I cannot edit the below post to all the info about <ncpus>N</ncpus>
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 13:03:50 (permalink)
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What is this "fastgeek's cc_config methods" can you post it?

It's just a few posts up http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2602244, setting the ncpus value in cc_config, which has the same effect as setting the percentage of CPUs to use in BOINC manager, but leaves no room for doubt in case BOINC didn't read the CPU count correctly.


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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 13:09:13 (permalink)
Thanks
<cc_config>
   <options>
       <ncpus>128</ncpus>
       <report_results_immediately>1</report_results_immediately>
   </options>
</cc_config>
 
Could not put it in my Post above. Website errors

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 13:16:01 (permalink)
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What is this "fastgeek's cc_config methods" can you post it?

It's just a few posts up http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2602244, setting the ncpus value in cc_config, which has the same effect as setting the percentage of CPUs to use in BOINC manager, but leaves no room for doubt in case BOINC didn't read the CPU count correctly.


Ok I will set my T630 and see if it shows only 50% usage in Task Manager.
Thanks.
 
Added:
Setting to use 26 CPU's still shows 56%. Not sure I like the term simulate with using <ncpus>26</ncpus>
 
06-Jan-17 14:19:31 |  | Re-reading cc_config.xml
06-Jan-17 14:19:31 |  | Config: simulate 26 CPUs
06-Jan-17 14:19:31 |  | Config: report completed tasks immediately
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 13:39:27 (permalink)
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Whoa there goes robbysites. Don't make me fire up my laptop mister!


Hey there Yodap, I have three Intel laptops running in addition to my 3 I7s so it's fair game - I woke up  this morning to see that I slid by you.
If I can I will run 6 ARM processors!
ps - I saw the picture of the Giants on Justin Bieber's yacht down in South Beach
 
We have a long road ahead so stick with it! I am glad to see the names on our team participating at the start of the year!
 
Thanks for the props Howdy2u2!! The preferences in primegrid and other projects will help you get a wuprop ring. More later.
 
Bcavanaugh, I would not worry about Collatz ATM, although my brand new shiny EVGA 1070 Hybrid just shipped out yesterday (hee hee)


I'm not, but I still wanted to see if my rig still have it in them;

After todays tasks complete you will see me drop back off and you back up on top.
Heading back over to Folding and PG for a 100% till POTM starts for January.
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 13:43:22 (permalink)
Strategy question for EVGA Crunchers in this challenge:
 
It looks like Sicituradastra is slowly catching us - perhaps Steve's loss of 48 cores is part of the reason.  I have access to a few systems at work that will be idle over the weekend.  How do people feel about me adding them to the mix?  It might change my individual position within the team, which would be unfair to others that are using only their own resources.  I know some of us have strong feelings about competing against corporate hardware.  If you are against it but don't want to post, send me a PM.


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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 13:49:53 (permalink)
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So with HT Off and running 95% or 26 Cores it takes now 4% usage Per Tasks and 100% of CPU. Odd This Really Is.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 13:53:50 (permalink)
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Strategy question for EVGA Crunchers in this challenge:
 
It looks like Sicituradastra is slowly catching us - perhaps Steve's loss of 48 cores is part of the reason.  I have access to a few systems at work that will be idle over the weekend.  How do people feel about me adding them to the mix?  It might change my individual position within the team, which would be unfair to others that are using only their own resources.  I know some of us have strong feelings about competing against corporate hardware.  If you are against it but don't want to post, send me a PM.


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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 14:04:44 (permalink)
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Strategy question for EVGA Crunchers in this challenge:
 
It looks like Sicituradastra is slowly catching us - perhaps Steve's loss of 48 cores is part of the reason.  I have access to a few systems at work that will be idle over the weekend.  How do people feel about me adding them to the mix?  It might change my individual position within the team, which would be unfair to others that are using only their own resources.  I know some of us have strong feelings about competing against corporate hardware.  If you are against it but don't want to post, send me a PM.


As long as you will NOT get into Trouble at Work it is ok with me.
But Please Do Not Take The Change Of Getting Fired For Doing This.......




agreed there please dont get into any sort of trouble.  This is not worth it.  At the end of the day we're benefiting further scientific research in some field regardless of which project we crunch for and how little were able to contribute or how much shouldn't matter as long as we have fun and continue to do it ^_^.

 
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 15:46:54 (permalink)
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Strategy question for EVGA Crunchers in this challenge:
 
It looks like Sicituradastra is slowly catching us - perhaps Steve's loss of 48 cores is part of the reason.  I have access to a few systems at work that will be idle over the weekend.  How do people feel about me adding them to the mix?  It might change my individual position within the team, which would be unfair to others that are using only their own resources.  I know some of us have strong feelings about competing against corporate hardware.  If you are against it but don't want to post, send me a PM.


As long as you will NOT get into Trouble at Work it is ok with me.
But Please Do Not Take The Change Of Getting Fired For Doing This.......




agreed there please dont get into any sort of trouble.  This is not worth it.  At the end of the day we're benefiting further scientific research in some field regardless of which project we crunch for and how little were able to contribute or how much shouldn't matter as long as we have fun and continue to do it ^_^.




I agree, long as there is no trouble involved for you bring it in to the mix.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 18:27:36 (permalink)
all right - i managed to get the boinc-client and -manager installed and i think it's working:) i did something and it went all crazy the first time i installed, had to purge it. but it looks to be downloading something now for the challenge... fingers crossed.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 18:30:54 (permalink)
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all right - i managed to get the boinc-client and -manager installed and i think it's working:) i did something and it went all crazy the first time i installed, had to purge it. but it looks to be downloading something now for the challenge... fingers crossed.


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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 19:17:20 (permalink)
thanks:) yip i did join Crunching@EVGA
after ~1/2 an hour i'm still getting the below message -- is this normal for this project?
Downloading work form the server.
Independent
Mathematics
Primegrid has multiple projects searching for different forms of very large prime numbers, including searching for the largest prime number.
 
edit:
i guess it's doing something, all 8 cores are being fully utilized... e.g.
27884 boinc     39  19    9304   8228   1428 R 100.0  0.1  21:48.48 primegrid_+
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 19:30:37 (permalink)
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thanks:) yip i did join Crunching@EVGA
after ~1/2 an hour i'm still getting the below message -- is this normal for this project?
Downloading work form the server.
Independent
Mathematics
Primegrid has multiple projects searching for different forms of very large prime numbers, including searching for the largest prime number.
 
edit:
i guess it's doing something, all 8 cores are being fully utilized... e.g.
27884 boinc     39  19    9304   8228   1428 R 100.0  0.1  21:48.48 primegrid_+


Yep Generalized Cullen/Woodall (Sieve) v1.00 Show running on your computer so you are set.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 19:43:16 (permalink)
excellent, hopefully they complete.
not sure how much my old x58 is going to contribute, but at least it's warming my garage up:)

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 19:53:21 (permalink)
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Strategy question for EVGA Crunchers in this challenge:
 
It looks like Sicituradastra is slowly catching us - perhaps Steve's loss of 48 cores is part of the reason.  I have access to a few systems at work that will be idle over the weekend.  How do people feel about me adding them to the mix?  It might change my individual position within the team, which would be unfair to others that are using only their own resources.  I know some of us have strong feelings about competing against corporate hardware.  If you are against it but don't want to post, send me a PM.


PM you? How about I pm you my email and password?


 

 
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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 19:56:55 (permalink)
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excellent, hopefully they complete.
not sure how much my old x58 is going to contribute, but at least it's warming my garage up:)


Welcome aboard, X58 do well i this challenge, I have a few of them running.
3 dual socket 1366 and 5 single socket 1366, although I am running Xeons in them.
Sieve does not seem to take advantage of AVX or the other new instructions so they still hold their own.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 19:58:46 (permalink)
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Strategy question for EVGA Crunchers in this challenge:
 
It looks like Sicituradastra is slowly catching us - perhaps Steve's loss of 48 cores is part of the reason.  I have access to a few systems at work that will be idle over the weekend.  How do people feel about me adding them to the mix?  It might change my individual position within the team, which would be unfair to others that are using only their own resources.  I know some of us have strong feelings about competing against corporate hardware.  If you are against it but don't want to post, send me a PM.


As long as you will NOT get into Trouble at Work it is ok with me.
But Please Do Not Take The Change Of Getting Fired For Doing This.......




agreed there please dont get into any sort of trouble.  This is not worth it.  At the end of the day we're benefiting further scientific research in some field regardless of which project we crunch for and how little were able to contribute or how much shouldn't matter as long as we have fun and continue to do it ^_^.




I agree, long as there is no trouble involved for you bring it in to the mix.




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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 19:59:02 (permalink)
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thanks:) yip i did join Crunching@EVGA
after ~1/2 an hour i'm still getting the below message -- is this normal for this project?
Downloading work form the server.
Independent
Mathematics
Primegrid has multiple projects searching for different forms of very large prime numbers, including searching for the largest prime number.
 
edit:
i guess it's doing something, all 8 cores are being fully utilized... e.g.
27884 boinc     39  19    9304   8228   1428 R 100.0  0.1  21:48.48 primegrid_+


Yep Generalized Cullen/Woodall (Sieve) v1.00 Show running on your computer so you are set.





If you want to limit the amount of project waiting in the wings.
 
In the Advanced View of the BOINC manager, click options:

Then select Computing Preferences which will open another screen:
 

 
Go to "Other" and set them like pictured. It will finish the ones you have "waiting" and not download any more until you have 8 left running, then it will download as needed when a WU gets ~91% completed
 

 
That way you won't have so many to finish or abort (obviously your choice) at the end of the challenge.
One other thing to mention is if your Folding too, you will need to leave a CPU core/thread unused for each GPU in your system. You can change that in the same computing preferences tab under "Usage Limits"> Use at most ___ % of the CPUs
 
Credit for this goes to the Crunchers in the team that taught me this in short order.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 20:03:03 (permalink)
Yatz10 also turn hyperthread on if your CPU supports it.
The x58 with do 2 times the work in 1.6 times the time, so HT on is a good thing.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 20:27:03 (permalink)
hey howdy2u2 thanks for the settings! the boinc manager (or at least the one i installed) on ubuntu is apparently much more limited in it's functionality -- i have no such things as advanced tabs or options:) i believe i can set all those online though.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 20:35:13 (permalink)
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hey howdy2u2 thanks for the settings! the boinc manager (or at least the one i installed) on ubuntu is apparently much more limited in it's functionality -- i have no such things as advanced tabs or options:) i believe i can set all those online though.


Yup, in the computing preferences @ your Prime Grid log in.
 
Make sure you set it to 0.01 not 0.1
 
Like I did and wonder why I still had a ton of WUs waiting in the wings....................
 
Pretty much looks the same in the PG settings menu ----------- The ones in the circle come in handy if you run multiple rigs.

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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 20:39:44 (permalink)
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Welcome aboard, X58 do well i this challenge, I have a few of them running.
3 dual socket 1366 and 5 single socket 1366, although I am running Xeons in them.
Sieve does not seem to take advantage of AVX or the other new instructions so they still hold their own.

well that's good to hear, although all those cores put me to shame:p all i've got running is i7-960 at stock... i might have to get my other machines working on this as well.



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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 20:47:39 (permalink)
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Welcome aboard, X58 do well i this challenge, I have a few of them running.
3 dual socket 1366 and 5 single socket 1366, although I am running Xeons in them.
Sieve does not seem to take advantage of AVX or the other new instructions so they still hold their own.

well that's good to hear, although all those cores put me to shame:p all i've got running is i7-960 at stock... i might have to get my other machines working on this as well.






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Re: PG 1st challenge 2017 Jan 3 18:00 to Jan 13 18:00 UTC GCW Sieve Isaac Newton's Birt 2017/01/06 21:10:14 (permalink)
Yatz, if you are running Ubuntu, take your mouse and hover it up at the top and a task bar will appear and then click on advanced view.
Once advanced view is chosen you will get all the options.
 
I am running 270 threads or so right now, I think.
Will get another 24 on tonight I hope. Every time I add them up I get a new number.
Does not matter 1 core or 100, every one counts. And thank you guys for joining in.
Feeling guilty I do not have every one of mine on. Still have 36 off line.
I am just a slacker I know.
But I never have had them all running at once. I am taking my x58 rampage off line to send to Florida.
I'll put my 4P socket F 24 core on line to replace it.

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