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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/19 22:43:51 (permalink)
Xavier Zepherious

update:
DC-vault has a program that goes out and collects those points from stats coming from those projects


check this page at DC-VAult (seems all we do is put what team names in for each project)
so we can have different team names for each project ...
folding@evga, WCG@evga and DC@evga, etc

but I would prefer 1 name for all crunching projects if we can - or as few as possible

http://www.dc-vault.com/hurdle.php?do=update
 

 

Just to keep things easier, we don't change WCG@EVGA or folding@evga....  Now, do we run everything under DC@EVGA and see about getting a DC@EVGA team for each project people are interested in or create another name that will hold everything not included in the established ones?
 
Edit:  So, I looked more into it, I say we keep the three names we currently have and create a blanket team to cover everything else and future boinc projects and add it all under that dc vault....
post edited by RHMash - 2011/11/19 22:59:01



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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/19 23:00:22 (permalink)
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Xavier Zepherious

update:
DC-vault has a program that goes out and collects those points from stats coming from those projects


check this page at DC-VAult (seems all we do is put what team names in for each project)
so we can have different team names for each project ...
folding@evga, WCG@evga and DC@evga, etc

but I would prefer 1 name for all crunching projects if we can - or as few as possible

http://www.dc-vault.com/hurdle.php?do=update




Just to keep things easier, we don't change WCG@EVGA or folding@evga....  Now, do we run everything under DC@EVGA and see about getting a DC@EVGA team for each project people are interested in or create another name that will hold everything not included in the established ones?

 
Yes, that is a great idea.

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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/19 23:06:11 (permalink)
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Xavier Zepherious

update:
DC-vault has a program that goes out and collects those points from stats coming from those projects


check this page at DC-VAult (seems all we do is put what team names in for each project)
so we can have different team names for each project ...
folding@evga, WCG@evga and DC@evga, etc

but I would prefer 1 name for all crunching projects if we can - or as few as possible

http://www.dc-vault.com/hurdle.php?do=update




Just to keep things easier, we don't change WCG@EVGA or folding@evga....  Now, do we run everything under DC@EVGA and see about getting a DC@EVGA team for each project people are interested in or create another name that will hold everything not included in the established ones?

Edit:  So, I looked more into it, I say we keep the three names we currently have and create a blanket team to cover everything else and future boinc projects and add it all under that dc vault....

 
That sounds good to me.
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/19 23:22:47 (permalink)
SO we just need one name for DC Vault to hold everything and the blanket boinc name and someone to hold the accounts?



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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 01:13:17 (permalink)
Hello,
 
I am russkris or Rusty.. I am one of the owner of the DC-Vault.com
I saw a thread posted by Afterburner on the Team Ninja forum.
 
I haven't had the time to read the entire thread here but from what I understand you are talking about team names and the Vault.
 
The vault scripts will automatically pick up and change to a team once they have been added by me at the request of your team, if they are identical. For example:
 
If I was requested to add a team by the name of DC@EVGA(Vault Team name), the vault scripts will pick up DC@EVGA in any of the monitored projects, if the team name is slightly different to the actual Vault team name, it will not pick it up. So if you had SETi#EVGA then it wouldn't be added automatically, I would have to do it manually.
 
To sum it up. If you want your team name to be "KINGS AND QUEENS" then you can, I would just have to add all the project names automatically..
 
Hope that helps?
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 05:07:23 (permalink)
Rusty, thanks for coming over and posting, but it's still not quite clear to me.  For it to work automatically, all the names must be identical.  However, it sounds like it is also possible for you to combine team names that aren't identical if you do it manually?
We are already down the path of having WCG@EVGA already going, and considering DC@EVGA for other projects.  So, would it be possible for you to combine both WCG@EVGA (from WCG) with DC@EVGA from other projects, all under the name DC@EVGA?
 
Edit: never mind, I see from looking at the stats pages that the names don't have to be identical
 
P.S.  Personally I think DC@EVGA is a little drab and would rather see something a little more creative like Crunchers@EVGA
post edited by Punchy - 2011/11/20 06:48:47

  
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 05:47:04 (permalink)
I'm good for whatever direction the herd wants to move on this thing.  I didn't get the part about it also being able to include our FAH work though...



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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 06:22:54 (permalink)
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Rusty, thanks for coming over and posting, but it's still not quite clear to me.  For it to work automatically, all the names must be identical.  However, it sounds like it is also possible for you to combine team names that aren't identical if you do it manually?
We are already down the path of having WCG@EVGA already going, and considering DC@EVGA for other projects.  So, would it be possible for you to combine both WCG@EVGA (from WCG) with DC@EVGA from other projects, all under the name DC@EVGA?

P.S.  Personally I think DC@EVGA is a little drab and would rather see something a little more creative like Crunchers@EVGA

So we use Crunchers@EVGA for all projects except WCG and just add the WCG and F@H teams under one team in the DC Vault?  Who wants to be the one creating the team for the projects?  I'm in 9 projects other than WCG and F@H, to make it easier on everyone, I could do it.  And compiling a list of projects others are in, I'm on the computer enough throughout the day with homework and work....



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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 06:46:34 (permalink)
I looked at the scoring system for DC Vault and based on that I don't favor any effort to try and reach a high placement there.  The reason behind this statement is that their scoring system favors those teams that spread their efforts out across many, many different projects.  I would rather concentrate our main efforts in the two places we already have, F@H and WCG, instead of diluting the effort into dozens of different places.  I don't have a problem with setting up an account for our team there, but based on comments I see there, and the scoring system, it is unlikely we could ever reach the top there without going out of our way to participate in projects that nobody may actually be interested in.
Project score = 10000 - ((Position - 1) * (10000 / Total number of teams in the project))
 
In other words, their scoring system uses only placements within a project, with no incentive for higher scores within that project.
Example: in the F@H category, our score would be 10000, and Dutch Power Cows, 32nd in F@H with less than a billion points, have a F@H score of 9,996.279985.
post edited by Punchy - 2011/11/20 06:52:53

  
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 07:02:01 (permalink)
Xavier Zepherious

update:
DC-vault has a program that goes out and collects those points from stats coming from those projects


check this page at DC-VAult (seems all we do is put what team names in for each project)
so we can have different team names for each project ...
folding@evga, WCG@evga and DC@evga, etc

but I would prefer 1 name for all crunching projects if we can - or as few as possible

http://www.dc-vault.com/hurdle.php?do=update
 

 

That is what I said back at post #14
 
http://forums.evga.com/fb.ashx?m=1331400
 
 

  
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 07:12:10 (permalink)
Either way, I think we should still have a team for the other boinc projects for those who want to do others in addition to or instead of WCG.  We could even just roll with WCG@EVGA for the team if we have to, but I would prefer something that encompasses everything, like Crunchers@EVGA or similar....  Only suggesting we could use WCG@EVGA because we can't change the name of that team and it would be more of an effort to create a new team for WCG and get everyone moved to it and credit wouldn't transfer....



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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 07:13:29 (permalink)
Wow what a lot of good ideas and work you have all done. Thank you.
 
And thank you russkris for stopping in and offering your information!!

Here is my take based on the info so far and subject to change as others chime in......
 
I love the name Crunchers@EVGA. But what if another set/type of volunteering comes up?
 
I agree that DC@EVGA is dry... But is fits the largest bucket.
 
My proposal...
 
Leave WCG and F@H as they are (Not like we would ever even suggest doing anything to F@H, I am just saying) and start using the DC@EVGA for everything else. If we can get a hold of the owner... As they have a lot of points built up already!
 
For me it makes it easier for those that are not in this conversation right now, to understand. They have three choices... In these choices are most of every DC available. That is a lot of diversity. I am afraid going beyond that could cause confusion if we did to much to fast. Resulting in folks becoming frustrated and walking away.
 
I do recognize the need to be one team and show our pride. So I have no issue working with DC Vault to manually make things happen.
 
But sometimes... K.I.S.S. is the best plan...
 
 

  
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 07:17:36 (permalink)
Definitely in favor of K.I.S.S. 



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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 07:23:50 (permalink)
joining the DC team for the projects I am a part of then....  want to get rid of these gpu units before they expire and everything....



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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 07:30:54 (permalink)
This is still complicated... there are a number of different places that aggregate stats across multiple projects, some official and some unofficial.
DC Vault is unofficial and we could use any name we want for each project and for the overall team name.  There is no DC@EVGA there.  However, DC Vault favors a team with lots and lots of small efforts over a few larger effort.
The BOINC teams that LR pointed to are semi-official and at least would aggregate over all projects that use BOINC - but then we would lose all the WCG numbers we have already generated.
I don't see a good choice.
 
 

  
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 09:15:11 (permalink)
There is the option to rename a team. For those teams called DC@EVGA, they could be renamed to something else. That would have to be done by the team founder though. We could also setup a new team name for the projects. However, at the moment there are 38 users under DC@EVGA and if we setup a new team, there will be two teams where some users will still be under the DC name unless they change to the new team.
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 09:23:30 (permalink)
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There is the option to rename a team. For those teams called DC@EVGA, they could be renamed to something else. That would have to be done by the team founder though. We could also setup a new team name for the projects. However, at the moment there are 38 users under DC@EVGA and if we setup a new team, there will be two teams where some users will still be under the DC name unless they change to the new team.

Is there a way that we could reach out to them and the founder to get their take on this discussion? They built that team and have more rights to any of the suggestions we have to it than all of us combined.
 
I have no desire to offend anyone, but I would love to support what they have already built if given the opportunity to do just that.

  
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 09:31:21 (permalink)
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Is there a way that we could reach out to them and the founder to get their take on this discussion? They built that team and have more rights to any of the suggestions we have to it than all of us combined.

I have no desire to offend anyone, but I would love to support what they have already built if given the opportunity to do just that.

 
I can send a PM to the founder via one of the projects. He was a participant here a year or so ago. Maybe he will be able to join in the discussion.
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 09:45:26 (permalink)
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Afterburner

Is there a way that we could reach out to them and the founder to get their take on this discussion? They built that team and have more rights to any of the suggestions we have to it than all of us combined.

I have no desire to offend anyone, but I would love to support what they have already built if given the opportunity to do just that.


I can send a PM to the founder via one of the projects. He was a participant here a year or so ago. Maybe he will be able to join in the discussion.

Infinitekills was just online here... We missed him ... I will also reach out through an EVGA pm and ask for him to offer input here

  
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 09:48:15 (permalink)
That sounds good. I sent him a PM via Einstein@home. I gave him the URL here and asked if he would be interested in participating in the discussion.
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 10:23:33 (permalink)
Just got a response
 

From Infinitekills To  Afterburner Yes I had created the Team DC@EVGA but just a couple months ago deleted since I was not getting any run through on it. I can create the name again or come up with something better. We can ask the community. Glad to see more people are interested in this now.

  
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 10:23:36 (permalink)
Good Afternoon All. I had created the team DC@EVGA which was Distributed Computing@ EVGA. I had just deleted the team a little while back since I did not see any movement in it. I can go ahead and set it up again and add some admins to the team. You guys can also come up with another name and set it up here http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/ Once it is set up here the team will be created across all projects. It takes maybe up to 72 Hours for the team to be created on projects. You will see a flow of emails coming in for which projects the team is created for. I would love to see this going again.




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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 10:30:37 (permalink)
Hey thanks for helping out Infinitekills!! You did a great job on DC@EVGA... I am sorry to have missed it.
 
I do think we have the ability to add to your success. As sometimes a catalyst is needed. And with the changes F@H has announced or already made... Has had a far reaching impact. Plus the addition of this new category for DC project...
 
Add that to a growing number of members that want options and here we are!!
 
So with that... We have an open world of possibilities here... Let  the fun begin!!!
 

  
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 10:33:32 (permalink)
I like the idea of just staying the way we are. It just sounds like we are getting too worried about standings like our other team has become.

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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 10:47:28 (permalink)
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I like the idea of just staying the way we are. It just sounds like we are getting too worried about standings like our other team has become.

 
What other team?
 
 

My computer finds cures for diseases and searches for aliens when I'm not gaming...what does yours do?
 
 
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 11:02:33 (permalink)
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shdbcamping

I like the idea of just staying the way we are. It just sounds like we are getting too worried about standings like our other team has become.


What other team?



I took it as he just meant "Teammates" Our fellow Teammates that are folding. We are not a separate team. Just an extension of it...
 
And I agree about being careful on making this about points. It seems to be a very sensitive topic right now and all I ask is that we keep the positive mojo flowing and such
 
So points are a part of it as much as units and options are for our Team that is doing any type of DC. All three are the focus from what I understand so far...

  
 
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 11:15:50 (permalink)
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Good Afternoon All. I had created the team DC@EVGA which was Distributed Computing@ EVGA. I had just deleted the team a little while back since I did not see any movement in it. I can go ahead and set it up again and add some admins to the team. You guys can also come up with another name and set it up here http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/ Once it is set up here the team will be created across all projects. It takes maybe up to 72 Hours for the team to be created on projects. You will see a flow of emails coming in for which projects the team is created for. I would love to see this going again.

 
Good to see you here again. Thanks for responding and for the project details.
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 11:17:04 (permalink)
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I like the idea of just staying the way we are. It just sounds like we are getting too worried about standings like our other team has become.

 
I don't think this is about standings. We are just looking for a centralized team setup that the BOINC projects we participate in would fall under.
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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 11:26:57 (permalink)
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shdbcamping

I like the idea of just staying the way we are. It just sounds like we are getting too worried about standings like our other team has become.


I don't think this is about standings. We are just looking for a centralized team setup that the BOINC projects we participate in would fall under.

 
This.  I don't care if we are 1st or 301st as long as my SETI points accrue under Team EVGA.  That's all!  (SETI is just an example, as Einstein would be as well). 

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Re:Other than WCG.... 2011/11/20 11:34:28 (permalink)
Ok a re-cap....
 
We can name this grouping of DC projects but there are sacrifices made in both options that we know of at this time...
  1. DC Vault can have separate names but has to be manually built and may not cover all DC projects.
  2. BOINC covers all BOINC DC projects but all names must be the same for F@H and WCG and SETI and and and...
 
I think that covers that part.
 
It seems clear to me that most are in total agreement with looking for a way to group all of Team EVGA's efforts into one banner/tracker.
 
The unknown is how we want to approach it so we do not lose what has been built but also not sacrifice growth from confusion either.

  
 
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