Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/20 20:13:16
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I'm guessing by your "Since you handily won last year do you think it will be that hard to get participation?" that your points for EVGA are only for the EVGA Bucks. Check my EOC bud, last time I looked it didnt take a million points in a month to qualify for bucks... but I guess you know better than me.  As for the bolded part of your post, I've not seen "Bupkus" here in EVGA CC thread about server racks as a complaint about Last Year's Challenge until you brought it up and we're on almost 200 posts. As far as Drama goes, and again JIMO, it has never made for anything other than excitement in competitive sporting events. Also, why would one such as yourself who seems comfortable with the "rules" consider short-term ownership a big deal (Threat) if it's "for the science" especially if the rules do not preclude it????? I would consider it a decent way for a larger member Team to take advantage of a "Tax Loophole". And for Science to take a VERY Large booster shot. If you want to take advantage of a tax loophole and rent servers to fold on GO FOR IT!!!!  It would be awesome to see more science getting done, just fold under your own name and not apes to keep the contest fair. Last year there was drama caused by it (not sure what team but it comes up every year). EDIT: You are just another Maximum PC'er trying to justify the rules that put your team in one of the easier runnings for the win in the CC I am a Maximum PC'er trying to help you understand the rules and explain that your not getting cheated, obviously your not going to be happy by any explanation. Good Day Sir I have no problem folding for either MPC or EVGA since I feel both have good communities and excellent people. When it comes to contests however some people here get way to emotional  ... So I think I will keep my machines for maximum monkey this year.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/21 01:34:22
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@Mag,
If it isn't against stated rules, why would I have to fold outside EVGApes?
As for where one wishes to fold... I don't particularly care. Just Fold.
I understand the rules. We are getting screwed. And if your explanation had any merit I would agree. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't understand.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/21 05:43:14
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Tbh I have zero idea on what is going on.
I know we have a handicap to the xtreme but I am getting confused on the mix matched arguing.
Either way idc just fold and have fun there needs to be no drama just fun. I like a challenge.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/21 06:05:22
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The design of the points system this year has problems and I believe that it needs work to be considered fair (not just for EVGA, but for all Teams in the Challenge). The effort to arrive at a fair design is going to take an evolutionary path and that's just a fact of the CC contests. I'm folding with you fellas because as a Team we appear to have decided to still give it our best. I can process WU's for Stanford with or without CC, so really (for me) this is more about running with our herd and being a part of the Team. I do get excited by seeing all the things people come up with in their Rigs to compete harder. We are #1 as a Team each and every day (not just in points either), so we don't need CC to prove that one to anybody. It would be funny as hell if we actually still overcame the 2011 handicap system and an additional testimony to our greatness as a team! Go you Apes!!! 
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/22 03:52:04
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**Wanders in** Hey there fellow folders, seeing as I either suck at searching or there just isn't a smack talk thread, just dropping on by to leave this here (OCAU smack talk thread) http://forums.overclocker...howthread.php?t=954526 . Good luck and lets start getting into the spirit of the challenge, eh?
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/22 04:03:35
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Hey Leroyxx, your eyes aren´t deceiving you.There isn´t one yet. We´re still stockpiling all the monkey poo. No need to waste it already. "Sends some on its long journey!" 
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/22 07:39:52
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I love this! 
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/22 10:40:28
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Just got official word from Vijay that the stats file as they exist currently will continue to be availible for use even when the new style is released, so there will be zero interruption with the stats system for the contest! Looks like I'm actually all set and ready to go, short of a little tweaking!
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/22 12:08:53
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...and therein is the reason that total team output should be used rather than folding under specific names.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/22 22:51:48
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So, say I drop my 2600k to run for EVGApes and I start before hand and my WU drops shortly after it starts (it could be 5 minutes or a few hours) that would be a problem? I have no monitor for the system and only check it every few days (Teamviewer).
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/22 23:40:50
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Any points you get, ARE add to the team, I have left my rig up for a week while I was on vacation, only to find out when I came back a windows update shut systen down 2 days before I came back, The new rules do not punish us for decresed performance after the contest starts, only if we do not get the points we got during the qualifications, ( not sure I should call it that , since we did not know we were quallifing during that time period ) anything you add is a welcome addition. and it is normal for points to come sparaticaly, starting ans stoping is fine, as long as it's not conspierd; or an attempt to stack points.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 00:59:37
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So, say I drop my 2600k to run for EVGApes and I start before hand and my WU drops shortly after it starts (it could be 5 minutes or a few hours) that would be a problem? I have no monitor for the system and only check it every few days (Teamviewer).
That´s no problem per se. It only turns into a problem, if a big number of us start their wus (esp bigadvs), so that they finish right after the start.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 05:01:51
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I'm looking forward to the CC this year because I think it's going to be the last one. Last year it was a TWO horse race. This year the same two teams will be producing over 600 mil. points AND not be in the top 5.
Maybe it's time for evga and [H] to get together and come up with our own contest.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 06:36:31
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Barbarossa
That´s no problem per se.
It only turns into a problem, if a big number of us start their wus (esp bigadvs), so that they finish right after the start.
I thought the problem was if you stopped a client for a short period of time to guarantee that the unit would drop right after the start of the competition. I don't see why it would be a problem to start clients 24 or 36 hrs ahead of it as long as you didn't stop the client for timing purposes. Thats the way I see it anyway. Not that it matters to me, I can't fold bigadv units anyway since I run AMD processors.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 06:38:26
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Why the 2011 Chimp Challenge will fail just as hard as the 2010 Chimp Challenge: There has been an awful lot of discussion in this thread about the fairness of the new contest format. While I and many others have briefly argued as to how the new contest format will clearly be biased (biased in general - not necessarily unfair to our team), without any evidence it is dismissed as speculation (or perhaps whining by those with ulterior motives). I've taken it upon myself to see what would happen in the 2010 Chimp Challenge using the new (but not improved) scoring system of the 2011 Chimp Challenge. I calculated the points in the same 5 month period Oct 2009 to Feb 2010 to determine the base folding points per chimp point and coupled that with the achieved folding PPD for each team's monkey extrapolated out to a 10 day contest period for each team. The results are in this spreadsheet: https://spreadsheets.goog...GTc80tZOmpcpibM_aCTNIA Once again, we have a 2 horse race with two teams blowing away the remaining 7. The only achievement of this new system is replacing one of the highest PPD teams in the Chimp Challenge with one of the lowest. Many have argued this is an "evolutionary process" and that each year there will be a better/fairer contest, but this is clearly a case of (un)intelligent design that completely ignores the historic data. We have information on what has happened in the past (which can look further back as well) but those designing this contest chose to ignore it. This is not a step forward, it is a step sideways. Similar to an earlier post I made here, off the top of my head a fairer re-alignment of Chimp Points per Folding Point would look something like: Folding @ EVGA 605,270 Overclockers.com 224,901 Maximum PC 129,156 Overclockers AU 60,952 Overclockers.net 451,907 CustomPC & BitTech 136,928 Hardware Canucks 201,443 TSC! Russia 204,105 TechPowerUp! 77,674 Though if I thought the organizers of this contest were genuinely interested in making this contest fairer for everyone involved, I would advocate involving others with a further knowledge of previous CC's and look at additional data when researching the optimal handicap for each team. (Remember when looking at these numbers it ratio between the teams that is important in determining the handicap rather than absolute numbers). I do believe that ramcharger is right if the CC continues to fail this hard, there are only one or two left. I'll trust that Barbarossa will make sure that this is brought to the attention of anyone that needs to see it.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 10:10:42
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You can't throw Total points out the window. Maybe add CC points to a percentage of the total points output.
Evga 20% total points + CCpoints
[H] 30% total Points+ CCpoints
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 10:41:38
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Troy's sheet paints a pretty ugly picture...
I've sat back reading all the back and forth over the new point system and haven't said anything because this is my first CC and I just want to go with the flow. But I just can't see how people can ever think that a team with 1/3 the PPD of another deserves to win by almost 100 Chimp Points.
Now I know it's just an example, but that shows a pretty serious flaw in the point system. Like ramcharger just said....total points can not be ignored. All this new systems shows is which teams are able to wrangle in the most amount of new folders or get current folders to push their production to the max. Maybe that is what they are looking for after all, I don't know.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 11:17:45
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i just have a few questions ... i really wanna help out with the challenge this year but just need to know a few things so it all goes right ... as far as the passkey goes since i will be doing some big adv and smp units can i use my own passkey and just fold 10 under the EVGApes name or do i need to get a new passkey for the bonus ... and the other thing is how long does the challenge last , i havent nvr done one of these before and just wondering how it all goes =) really lookin forward to helping out with my i7 @ 4ghz and by may 5th will also be running 3x gtx 580's sc cards 24/7 :) ... thanks guys!
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 11:36:47
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Troy's sheet paints a pretty ugly picture...
I've sat back reading all the back and forth over the new point system and haven't said anything because this is my first CC and I just want to go with the flow. But I just can't see how people can ever think that a team with 1/3 the PPD of another deserves to win by almost 100 Chimp Points.
Now I know it's just an example, but that shows a pretty serious flaw in the point system. Like ramcharger just said....total points can not be ignored. All this new systems shows is which teams are able to wrangle in the most amount of new folders or get current folders to push their production to the max. Maybe that is what they are looking for after all, I don't know.
In life, as well as chalanges, games and contests, You often do not get to decide the rules. Life is not always fair, and you do not win all the time, not even when you deserve to, It is far more important to continue to step up and do what is right, than it is to walk away with a trophy, folding is about helping science, and finding cures to help humanity, the biger picture, is that we are here to help the world, and a healthy compatition helps accomplish this. If they want to win, and want it bad enough to stack the deck, of what concern is that to us. If we have done our best we have won regardless of the place we cross. Is we compeate well, we win our self respect, No placment can guarentee that if it requires an unfair advantage to get there. Can we win, sure if we can generate enough participation, is it likley, No , But we only loose if we allow others to change our attatude, and self worth. Stats and graphs do not lie, you can manupulate points, stats, and statistics all you want, but the truth is always the truth.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 11:40:22
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Total points is no longer a factor in the Chimp Challenge. No teams (with the possible exception of OCN) would be willing to take EVGA on in a straight points race.
Total points can be ignored, in fact that is the easiest way to make this "fair." Any outcome you achieve that doesn't ignore total points you can be achieved in a much simpler manner ignoring total points. Unfortunately, however, when you start messing with point values you have to be very careful in how you adjust point values in order to maintain a balance. It is quite obvious that this has not been thoroughly examined, if it was examined at all. My guess is that most teams right now are basking in the false hope of ignorance.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 13:01:14
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why does everyone care so much about winning, I thought this was to be a friendly competition, keep in mind the big picture.
just my 2 cents
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 13:13:39
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In life, as well as chalanges, games and contests, You often do not get to decide the rules. Life is not always fair, and you do not win all the time, not even when you deserve to, It is far more important to continue to step up and do what is right, than it is to walk away with a trophy, folding is about helping science, and finding cures to help humanity, the biger picture, is that we are here to help the world, and a healthy compatition helps accomplish this. If they want to win, and want it bad enough to stack the deck, of what concern is that to us. If we have done our best we have won regardless of the place we cross. Is we compeate well, we win our self respect, No placment can guarentee that if it requires an unfair advantage to get there. Can we win, sure if we can generate enough participation, is it likley, No , But we only loose if we allow others to change our attatude, and self worth. Stats and graphs do not lie, you can manupulate points, stats, and statistics all you want, but the truth is always the truth.
I agree with every point of your post....hence why I've been signed up since day 1 and trying to help the team anyway I can. Please don't think that simply because I was stating my opinion about what I believe to be a slightly flawed scoring system to purpose that I will not be assisting my team to the fullest. I don't fold for contests, I don't fold for prizes, I don't fold for EVGA bucks...I fold for the science. The reason I chose this community is that I have been a LONG time EVGA supporter up to and including today (just bought an EVGA 560Ti this afternoon). In addition to that, in my years of trolling forums I always found this to be a good source of information along with a lack of the childishness that plagues other communities. Now that I've become active it in, I see that it is even better than it appears from the outside looking in. People are friendlier and more helpful beyond what I originally thought, which is saying something since I like it before. I'm here and I'll have my systems chugging 100% to help the team during the CC. But my systems will also be chugging before and after the CC. Because in the end while this contest will be fun, it's not the reason I fold. Win or lose I have a feeling we'll ALL be doing our best to put a good fight and show that is what we are for....science.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 13:17:49
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why does everyone care so much about winning, I thought this was to be a friendly competition, keep in mind the big picture.
just my 2 cents
I don't think it is so much worried about winning as it trying to figure out how changing the point system made this more fair for everyone. I mean it was obvious the old system favored bigger teams like EVGA and OCN, but do the changes really make it any better? I have a feeling not, but I guess time will tell. It's all speculation at this point and we'll find out on the 16th how it all shakes out. But new point system or not, I think most all of the people commenting about will fold regardless, so it's just for the sake of conversation.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 13:33:34
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cudenver
why does everyone care so much about winning, I thought this was to be a friendly competition, keep in mind the big picture.
just my 2 cents
For me, its not about winning. Its about being given a fair shot in the competition for us and for everyone else. The winner should be determined by who puts forth the greatest effort to get people motivated and mobilized to fold. After all, the ultimate goal here is science. We can maximize that goal by giving everyone a fair chance at winning, and thereby incentivizing each team to put their best foot forward. How can a competition that so heavily favors certain teams and heavily handicaps others (not EVGA - other teams will fare far worse) be considered friendly? Friendly or not, a competition is a competition and everyone should be given a fair chance to compete. And it still is a competition so you cannot ignore the fact that there will be winners and losers. Lets not forget that 5 or 6 teams were prepared to "take their ball and go home" if the didn't have a chance to win so I am tired of people here criticizing us for suggestion everyone be given an equal chance to win as well. No, I don't want the deck stacked in our favor, and it appears that by far we aren't the team that is harmed the most by the new format. The goal of the new contest format is to give everyone a fair shot, and it simply does not do that. If you want the best outcome of this competition (some may have to set aside their team/community pride for a moment) the best thing would be a fair contest where everyone starts with an equal chance to win.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 13:42:08
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cudenver
why does everyone care so much about winning, I thought this was to be a friendly competition, keep in mind the big picture.
just my 2 cents
The only real pain about not winning is the jade monkey can only be displayed by the winning team, and only until the completion of the following years competition, that in and of itself is not a bad thing, However, if you have incorporated the jade monkey into your badges, sigs, avatars, that should all be changed, I suspect that EVGA will also need to change the Boxes they have that Stated worlds #1 folding team, but again that would be subjective, as what makes you #1, the contest, or the point production ? I wish that in the future they would make the prize monkey display a year, so the victors could display their support for as long as they wished.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 13:44:16
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I do believe when EVGA mentions it they go by Stanford's ranking.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 14:33:12
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troy8d
I do believe when EVGA mentions it they go by Stanford's ranking.
Yes, EVGA did not start using the #1 moniker after we won the CC, it was after we passed [H] in the points standing.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 14:37:16
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I agree I want a format where everybody has a fair shot at winning, I have read how the points will work for a short amount of time. but is hard to do, if it was a running race and runner A was 2 second faster than Runner B, it would be easy give Runner B a 2 second head start, unfortunately it cant be done with folding. troy8d
cudenver
why does everyone care so much about winning, I thought this was to be a friendly competition, keep in mind the big picture.
just my 2 cents
For me, its not about winning. Its about being given a fair shot in the competition for us and for everyone else. The winner should be determined by who puts forth the greatest effort to get people motivated and mobilized to fold. After all, the ultimate goal here is science. We can maximize that goal by giving everyone a fair chance at winning, and thereby incentivizing each team to put their best foot forward.
How can a competition that so heavily favors certain teams and heavily handicaps others (not EVGA - other teams will fare far worse) be considered friendly? Friendly or not, a competition is a competition and everyone should be given a fair chance to compete. And it still is a competition so you cannot ignore the fact that there will be winners and losers.
Lets not forget that 5 or 6 teams were prepared to "take their ball and go home" if the didn't have a chance to win so I am tired of people here criticizing us for suggestion everyone be given an equal chance to win as well. No, I don't want the deck stacked in our favor, and it appears that by far we aren't the team that is harmed the most by the new format. The goal of the new contest format is to give everyone a fair shot, and it simply does not do that.
If you want the best outcome of this competition (some may have to set aside their team/community pride for a moment) the best thing would be a fair contest where everyone starts with an equal chance to win.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 16:00:43
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Once I get my setup done, I'll be bringing pain for the CC... DarkStorm will not be light on points...
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/23 16:07:19
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I guess that for me, I will comply with a EVGApes decision on whether to lose my personal stats frivolously. The problem with this year is that getting into the CC is not coming up as a Team EVGA concensus. We need to get a little more forceful inour internal recruitment techniques............ And we don't have **** for time left. I don't feel that even 10% of our top 200 will sign on because of "LOST" personal standings with the Overall FAH rankings. Maybe we should do a bit of "Soul Searching" as a team to determine whether our "MANTRA" of Folding is most important actually holds water. I understand that WE as a TEAM have Little to NO chance of winning NO Matter what we do. But we need to **** or get off the pot as a TEAM. I propose that if we cannot get 50% of our Team PPD engaged in the CC. We should take that as a Team EVGA vote to abstain AS A TEAM. And as a team honor the Team Choice. JI(MO, YMMV Sean EDIT: Just to clarify the above. No one on any Team has the right to subject a Team (or run a Team? contest entry) to a loss in any contest without a quarum of the Team. Barbarossa... As CC Captain of the EVGApes, you owe The Larger Team That. Run what the willing are psyched for, but not for the Team EVGA Name unless we can get a consensus "AS TEAM EVGA".
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