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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/17 20:16:20
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Quick question about using own passkey
I just need to fold 10 WUs under EVGApes prior to the start of the contest using my current pass, Correct?
Curious about this as well, If I use my own passkey, will EVGApes still get all the points I fold, including the bonus? If I use my own Pass key, do I need to do ten under EVGApes, or will what I have done under mine count twords the ten, if I use a supplied passkey, will the ten be just by me, or by all that use that pass key, and what is best for EVGA ? If I do use EVGA's passkey and name is there away to make sure my contrabution is being calculated and added to the team, or do we just see a combined total ?
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/17 20:47:14
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*steps forward, all serious looking* ...And MY axe! Umm, wait, is this the line to Mordor?
nope, but thnx for querring.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/17 20:54:33
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Quick question about using own passkey
I just need to fold 10 WUs under EVGApes prior to the start of the contest using my current pass, Correct?
correct.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/17 21:03:48
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nutz1228
Quick question about using own passkey
I just need to fold 10 WUs under EVGApes prior to the start of the contest using my current pass, Correct?
Curious about this as well, If I use my own passkey, will EVGApes still get all the points I fold, including the bonus? If I use my own Pass key, do I need to do ten under EVGApes, or will what I have done under mine count twords the ten, if I use a supplied passkey, will the ten be just by me, or by all that use that pass key, and what is best for EVGA ? If I do use EVGA's passkey and name is there away to make sure my contrabution is being calculated and added to the team, or do we just see a combined total ?
I'm going to fold under my own passkey as I've done with the 2 "love ya for ya" folding honorarium earlier last year. Every time that a folding name changes to one not used prior, the 10 smp thingy starts again independent of passkey. The points will go to EVGApes and your own FAH stats as EVGApes. Kinda tough 'till you do it enough to get used to it. Hope this helps
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/17 21:07:00
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just ordered a GTS 450 for my ppd :D
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/17 21:09:25
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shdbcamping
Although any folder would possibly not keep the folding points under their regular folding name, they could keep it under their Passkey without much trouble. I've done this for many teams/contests/etc. Simply change the Name to EVGA Apes and you are off. When one goes to FAH stats page and enters the passkey.... Blammo, there's you with another folding name (EVGA Apes) and all your points.
FYI: I'm pretty sure the proper team name is EVGApes, one A, one word.
Sorry, this will be my virgin voyage for the green monkey.
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Re:Official chimp challenge 2011 thread
2011/04/17 21:29:36
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shdbcamping
....folding is a 'labor of love', and as such can come with some sacrifice. If one is more worried about 'status' of folding, they simply have not been folding long enough to realize the true meaning of giving to Science. It will grow on all as they continue and realize that personal stuff is not so important as what we all do for the science collectively. JIMO, YMMV.
Although I do agree with this sentiment, the point I was trying to make, is the handicap, although called a way to make things fair and balanced, is actually more of an attempt to put the large teams at a disadvantage, and tilt an advantage to the smaller teams. The fact that the points are determined by total team output, but only earned by signed up participants, means that the smaller the team is, the greater percentage, each signed up member will be. If we are going to be handicapped as a team, to be fair we should fold the same way. I will be folding all out through the chimp challenge as a labor of love, and to fold for the team, even though there is no way we can win with these rules. Why because I fold for the cause, not for the points, But that does not change the fact, that calling this fair, is like saying a tax code that 90% of the population pays nothing is fair. But I guess it's OK to call it fair, as long as your part of the 90% that don't have to pay. You do realize that if we have a 33% participant rate, it will take 3 times as long to earn the points at the handycap rate. I hope I am wrong, but I suspect it will be difacult to get 1/3 of out team to signg up and change names.
I understand your sentiments and I totally agree. We as EVGA folders will simply have to (yet again) acheive new levels to keep that APE  . Personally, I'd have voted to abstain from the CC as Team EVGA, but that's not the consensus  . I'll give a loss a shot if that's what our folding Team wants to do. I hope fervently that this is not the case, but I gotta go with the TEAM decision and will. I have no idea what the #6 cheating rules mean. I'm just gonna (again) rock everything I can get going again and see who whines from the other Teams. Electricity went up 30% here and it will hurt BIG, but we want that green monkey to stay home where it belongs  . Again it is up to Team EVGA (the apes) to prove that none can deter us from the Monkey  . JIMO, YMMV Sean EDIT: I have this thread going in the general discussion forum. http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=966902 Please stop by so that it does not drop off the viewscreen.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/17 21:56:21
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A question about the wording here...
Barbarossa
6. Only team captains are allowed to make changes to rules and will be looking out for any "foul play".
Starting wus before the start of the CC is fine, but stopping clients just so that a wu drops after the start is considered bad folding conduct.
Also having a machine idle after the change of names for longer than necessary just so that the next wu drops within the first few hours is not discouraged.
If a team is found out doing this they may be disqulified from this years and next years Chimp Challenge. So try to keep your clients as close to their "natural flow" as possible. I´ll change over my smp/bigadv clients already a couple of days early.
Is this a typo? Should this really read is discouraged?
The words idle for longer than necessary already have a negative connotation, but to then reverse it by saying it is not discouraged just sounds wrong.
Am I reading to much into this? Is it okay or not okay to let your machines idle before the start of the CC?
JD
Sorry, yes it is a typo. Stopping the clients longer than necessary is discouraged.(fixed that) Thanks troy for creating a signup up sheet, and thanks kody and shdcamping for the additional threads. edit #1: fixed my typo and added info on how to participate in post #2 edit#2: moved the rules to the op
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/17 23:41:23
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Im a little of a folding newb and this will be my first time in the CC (or any other folding contest) and even though my output is not too high i will gladly support our team.
From what i have seen, there is some serious competition this year. In terms of 24hr averages, HardOCP has 7 out of the worlds top 50 folders. Custom PC & Bit Tech needs only 30% of our points per chimp point and they have 4 out of the 50 including the worlds top folder at the moment.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 00:19:55
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Logged and ready for what i can provide... Might have a returned RMA 470 by then - 3 on the go then New to CC
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 01:00:12
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I put down my PPD as unknown because one: I honestly don't know yet what the new cards will do, and two: I don't know how much I'll keep on myself vs. CC.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 01:36:22
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Im a little of a folding newb and this will be my first time in the CC (or any other folding contest) and even though my output is not too high i will gladly support our team.
From what i have seen, there is some serious competition this year. In terms of 24hr averages, HardOCP has 7 out of the worlds top 50 folders. Custom PC & Bit Tech needs only 30% of our points per chimp point and they have 4 out of the 50 including the worlds top folder at the moment.
[H] does not participate directly in the CC. Some of their folders donate PPD for other teams, however. They had issues a couple of years ago, and in order to keep the peace, they just don't join the contest. There's a thread on their forum from about a month ago about it: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1591632&highlight=chimp+challenge
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 06:29:24
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Maybe for CC 2012 it needs to be structured more like boxing with "weight classes". The way it is structured for 2011, it seems like taking a heavyweight boxer, tying an arm behind the back and then pitting him against a middleweight. There needs to be weight/power Folding classes so that all the various teams can compete fairly and it would also provide a CC winner in each class category. I also agree with Punchy's ideas to allow people to Fold under their own IDs and tally points under the overall Team name. That way newbies can still work on their early points and people who want to Fold for EVGA actually have to be Folding under the Team ID#.
Seems we have a pretty low signup of EVGApes at this point (14) out of (1344) Active Users. I'm on-the-fence about the 2011 CC having read through this whole thread and am having some difficulty seeing the whole point of it. Don't take that comment badly either because I'm a big Team EVGA cheerleader and Folder in general, so it isn't meant to offend...just having problems understanding the 2011 CC design.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 06:47:30
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Maybe for CC 2012 it needs to be structured more like boxing with "weight classes". The way it is structured for 2011, it seems like taking a heavyweight boxer, tying an arm behind the back and then pitting him against a middleweight. There needs to be weight/power Folding classes so that all the various teams can compete fairly and it would also provide a CC winner in each class category. I also agree with Punchy's ideas to allow people to Fold under their own IDs and tally points under the overall Team name. That way newbies can still work on their early points and people who want to Fold for EVGA actually have to be Folding under the Team ID#.
Seems we have a pretty low signup of EVGApes at this point (14) out of (1344) Active Users. I'm on-the-fence about the 2011 CC having read through this whole thread and am having some difficulty seeing the whole point of it. Don't take that comment badly either because I'm a big Team EVGA cheerleader and Folder in general, so it isn't meant to offend...just having problems understanding the 2011 CC design.
The low number of signups may be a result of the fact that it is less than 24 hours old. I agree with you that the modifications to this contest are poorly designed. While something certainly needed to be done to keep the contest alive - this wasn't it and will create a whole new set of problems. A number of people share your sentiment about the new contest format...we might need to decide as a team whether we are all in or all out of this competition. Going halfway in this new format isn't going to get us anywhere other than the ceremonial trouncing of EVGA this contest is designed to be.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 07:12:44
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Troy,
Good point about the signup...I didn't notice that it was that new. I think you summed up my concern about participating. I will go balls-to-the-wall to help our Team in just about any endeavour. I just have some concerns about this particular effort as designed and how it will actually help build Folding interest in any of the Teams. I've seen that point mentioned as the "prime reason for CC" and it sounds like a great goal. I just don't clearly see how it will have that effect, especially as designed.
Because I also read the [H] forum, I remember reading their whole thread about whether they should participate. While there is certainly a healthy amount of desire to topple EVGA, I also understood their concerns about the CC 2011 design (from their perspective). Seems that (for them) CC's caused more ill-feelings than it was worth and in that regard I would consider it did not encourage new membership if that is the primary goal. I think most Folders get into Folding for the obvious and oft communicated reasons. Maybe CC should be primarily a Folding contest and as such designed to encourage participation among Folders (of all sizes and tenures) who enjoy a fair and vigorous competition.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 07:31:49
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I do think CC will still help folding , Imagine the little teams swelled with pride, as they brag that they beat EVGA, The #1 team, Bet they do not finish the sentance by saying " with one arm tied behind their back" We live in a sociaty, where they don't even keep score at T-ball games, seems they do not want to discourge the kids that sux. some schools have even done away with grades, To me it seems like politacly correct, and There are no loosers, sets the kids up for a culture shock, That day they roll out of bed, open their eyes, and realise they are not the GOD SEND their mother told them they were. If life worked that way, wouldn't every parent name their male child Bill Gates, and try to convince them all the cash is safe at the bank. You can build a lot of dreams, until they realise the cake is a lie. Tell every child they can grow up to be presadent, Just don't tell them the Odds. Yes you can grow up to be a millionair, But the vast majority of you will be eating Dog food, in your old age , after social security goes bankrupt. A Good teacher Knows when to shut up. But would we all be better off with the truth ?
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 07:36:17
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@texinga I agree with you that it does little to promote or encourage new folders...simply getting existing folders to switch to another name. New folders want to see their own points total climb, not some team name. Yes, many existing folders will go balls to the wall for 3 weeks or whatever it is but that isn't drawing new interest to folding... Unfortunately, the contest rules are set and we can do little to change that. My point was not meant to be discouraging simply that if we are going to overcome the deck stacked against us we have to mobilize the troops even more so than last year. Can we do this? Of course we can if we put our mind to it! Achieving this, however, will rely on mobilizing a large portion of the community. From an organizational standpoint, we cannot rely on one or two people to get this done either. Its going to have to be a deliberate effort by many people. If the general sentiment is that this is not a worthwhile endeavor, we can always come up with our own contest for May! What we need to successfully compete (read: have a chance to finish in a respectable position, not necessarily win) - A number of people step up from an organizational standpoint
- The majority of the community get behind this contest
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 07:41:29
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I do think CC will still help folding , Imagine the little teams swelled with pride, as they brag that they beat EVGA, The #1 team, Bet they do not finish the sentance by saying " with one arm tied behind their back" We live in a sociaty, where they don't even keep score at T-ball games, seems they do not want to discourge the kids that sux. some schools have even done away with grades, To me it seems like politacly correct, and There are no loosers, sets the kids up for a culture shock, That day they roll out of bed, open their eyes, and realise they are not the GOD SEND their mother told them they were. If life worked that way, wouldn't every parent name their male child Bill Gates, and try to convince them all the cash is safe at the bank. You can build a lot of dreams, until they realise the cake is a lie. Tell every child they can grow up to be presadent, Just don't tell them the Odds.
While I don't disagree with most of your analysis, you have to admit without any modification to the point system, there would be no CC this year (or only two teams would be competing). My concern is that it is done in a fair and impartial way and I do not believe that the end result reflects that. It is, however, the system that is in place and if we want to participate we must accept it.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 07:49:51
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Unfortunately, I don't really participate in these contests so when I start folding again (which I hope is soon), I'm just going to fold on as normal. BTW, that point system I saw on the main post of this thread is broken and unless at least 2/3 of EVGA folders signing up, I don't forsee EVGA winning. What I do forsee is one of the smaller teams getting a surge of other folders from people like [H] or otherteams blowing away their point average and they will win. But hey, maybe yall will prove me wrong.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 08:06:31
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 08:11:39
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Unfortunately, I don't really participate in these contests so when I start folding again (which I hope is soon), I'm just going to fold on as normal.
BTW, that point system I saw on the main post of this thread is broken and unless at least 2/3 of EVGA folders signing up, I don't forsee EVGA winning. What I do forsee is one of the smaller teams getting a surge of other folders from people like [H] or otherteams blowing away their point average and they will win.
But hey, maybe yall will prove me wrong.
If you're going to be back folding in time for the CC, why not just sign up and help the team?
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 08:15:36
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@troy - I realize that the "game is on" under the current design, so my comments were mainly just opinion and certainly not an attempt to change anything at this point.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 08:28:04
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If you really want to see the rules change for next year, we need to win again this year. If we can overcome this handicapping system, they will see that something else needs to be done. Maybe they will agree to a tiered system if they know they can't beat us under any type of rule changes.
Please, if you are folding for EVGA, fold for EVGApes during the CC. Let's show them that we are the best team in the world.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 09:00:16
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i think i signed up not sure yep i'm in
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 09:31:01
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I'll fold for the CC 2011 no matter what the underlying issues are. Its too close to the May 5th deadline for the contest to start changing things now. So for now lets just deal with it and kick some butt! Then afterwards we can start working on figuring out the best way for the contest rules that all teams can agree upon.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 11:11:48
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I am all in for the CC!
I believe that when the single new user on Custom PC who is able to generate, on his own, TWICE the team's average PPD in one day, totally bollixes the handicap system, all the teams will be clamoring for a new way next year.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 12:27:37
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I made a separate sign up thread if you want to direct people to some quick and easily accessible information to get them signed up for the CC. http://forums.evga.com...spx?high=&m=968357 If anything is wrong/missing please let me know.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 13:22:11
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Sometimes a person has an "aha" moment in the midst of what was thought to be a path of logic and something just occurred to me. If I am with TeamEVGA, then I need to be with you no matter what (through snow, heat, dead-of-night and unusually constructed contests). So, I am going to be with my Team because that is the right thing to do as a member regardless of whether we have a fair shake at CC 2011 or not. I'm "in"...even if it hair-lips the air-conditioner.
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 13:23:39
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Sometimes a person has an "aha" moment in the midst of what was thought to be a path of logic and something just occurred to me. If I am with TeamEVGA, then I need to be with you no matter what (through snow, heat, dead-of-night and unusually constructed contests). So, I am going to be with my Team because that is the right thing to do as a member regardless of whether we have a fair shake at CC 2011 or not.
I'm "in"...even if it hair-lips the air-conditioner.
Amen!
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Re:Official chimp challenge thread
2011/04/18 13:28:50
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Sometimes a person has an "aha" moment in the midst of what was thought to be a path of logic and something just occurred to me. If I am with TeamEVGA, then I need to be with you no matter what (through snow, heat, dead-of-night and unusually constructed contests). So, I am going to be with my Team because that is the right thing to do as a member regardless of whether we have a fair shake at CC 2011 or not.
I'm "in"...even if it hair-lips the air-conditioner.
Couldn't agree more. While I don't agree with a good deal of the contest structure, I wouldn't think of letting you guys go it alone.
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