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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 13:26:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
@ jpearson79... Interesting to read that Swiftech told you to do that. And may I add a "Say whaaaaaaat?" to that...
 
All electrical components need air to flow across the cooling fins to drag the heat off the cooling fins.
 
When you have to much positive pressure (Air being pushed into a space) without the correct amount of negative pressure pulling that air out, all you are doing is re-heating the stagnant air in the space. 
 
For example... Um... This is how we heat our homes. We close off all the areas that the warm air can escape, the return air system installed in our home re-circulate this warm air.. And new warmer air is introduced into the space.
 
There are two schools of thought on this...
  1. More negative pressure in a case = no chance for air to stagnate and re-heat or add heat to itself (So to speak)
  2. More positive pressure. Allowing each component to use what air it needs to cool.
Please note, going to far with either creates a poor cooling environment. You need to find which one of these two work best for your situation. I find the "Negative pressure" way of thinking to work best for my 800D case. However for my stacker the positive pressure worked best.
 
The "Silver bullet" so to speak is finding the sweet-spot for what your rig needs. A tad more positive pressure or a tad more negative pressure?
 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 13:30:50 (permalink)
For absoulte cooling efficiency, i see no reason why negative presure wouldnt work but i will add that in the long run negative pressure will cause a dust buildup faster than positive pressure and that dust build up would eventually effect cooling unless u constantly made sure to clean the inside of the rig regularly.
 
When possible, keep a slight positive presure to help keep dust out.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 13:33:03 (permalink)
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 13:41:23 (permalink)
Cial00, a1solarnova, Afterburner thanks for the suggestions. I'll give 2 things a try later today and tomorrow.
 
I'll first try and put side fans in.  I will leave the H220 as is (intake at top) and place the side fans to exhaust air out the side of the case.  After that I'll try switching the fans on the radiator on top from intake to exhaust.  Having the top fans as exhaust makes total sense to me, I just figured to follow the H220 recommended setup re: that. So it will be okay to have 2 x 120mm front intake fans, 2 x 120mm side exhaust fans, 1 x 120mm rear exhaust fan, and the H220 radiator on top as exhaust (2 x 120mm fans, push configuration)?
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 13:43:10 (permalink)
If you set your radiator fans to exhaust outside of the case I would have your side fan blowing air into your case
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 13:49:01 (permalink)
@Cial00- thanks. I'll try adding two intake fans on the side and switching my radiator fans on top to exhaust. Then I will try switching the side fans from intake to exhaust and compare temps. The common theme I guess is my top fans should always be set to exhaust. I left my common sense at the door when installing the H220

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 15:09:19 (permalink)
I switched my top radiator fans to exhaust and installed 2 x 120mm intake fans on the side of the case.  Before the adjustments I capped the cards at 1.162 / 1202mhz. After the adjustments voltage is at stock + 38mv, both cards set to 1202mhz.
 
3dmark11 max temps prior to adjustments:  top card 84C, bottom 72C
3dmark11 max temps after adjustments:  top card 70C, bottom 61C
 
Amazing what a couple common sense adjustments will do! Thanks a lot guys

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 15:37:40 (permalink)
cracked 1500 and finished Valley on H20 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 16:04:33 (permalink)
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Cial00, a1solarnova, Afterburner thanks for the suggestions. I'll give 2 things a try later today and tomorrow.

I'll first try and put side fans in.  I will leave the H220 as is (intake at top) and place the side fans to exhaust air out the side of the case.  After that I'll try switching the fans on the radiator on top from intake to exhaust.  Having the top fans as exhaust makes total sense to me, I just figured to follow the H220 recommended setup re: that. So it will be okay to have 2 x 120mm front intake fans, 2 x 120mm side exhaust fans, 1 x 120mm rear exhaust fan, and the H220 radiator on top as exhaust (2 x 120mm fans, push configuration)?

 
Yes well said by the both of them. 
 
I also have a air purifier next to me and when its off you do see the difference.
 
You want to test it out and balance this right.  I would have front and side as intake to bring in that fresh air in hope the ACX coolers grab that air before it goes to the H220 and the rear.  Have the top and back as exhaust.  Blower style cards are usually better when in SLI aka sandwiched.  AMD always had issues with heat since most cards if not all aren't blower style.
 
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jpearson79

I switched my top radiator fans to exhaust and installed 2 x 120mm intake fans on the side of the case.  Before the adjustments I capped the cards at 1.162 / 1202mhz. After the adjustments voltage is at stock + 38mv, both cards set to 1202mhz.

3dmark11 max temps prior to adjustments:  top card 84C, bottom 72C
3dmark11 max temps after adjustments:  top card 70C, bottom 61C

Amazing what a couple common sense adjustments will do! Thanks a lot guys
 
Totally missed that message.   Happy it worked out for you.  Not bad temps for those on AIR at those clocks.
 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/24 16:12:57 (permalink)
I got a question now.
 
Im not experianced in VRAM ocing. iv done GPu core OC b4, but not memory.
So far using heaven as a test im on +500mhz (3505/7010) and no artifacts.
looking at the bench thread most are using +250 and +300. 
Am i ok running at +500mhz on the memory using standard ACX aircooling. (running 1.175v on precision X) ?
Bassicaly is there any heat issue to worry about as i increase the clock, or should i just go as high as it can go wihtout artifcating/crashing?

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/25 09:59:02 (permalink)
Sort of a noob question could use some help. New classy owner here and was wondering using Prec X what are the best settings for a stable oc from the top down. I've been playing around with the sliders and getting good results but don't wish to max out the card at all, just a solid stable across the board oc that won't crash. Are there any screen captures of a good oc using prec X and a single classy? Ordered the backplate today for looks. Thanks for any help.
 


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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/26 00:56:28 (permalink)
Not sure about air but 1397 is rock solid on water at 1.3v

Depending on your temps you could try experimenting with that. I wouldn't be surprised if 1300 on stock volts is solid as well.

For memory anywhere in the 200-400 offset neighborhood should be solid on stock volt.
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 04:26:40 (permalink)
Anybody's classified making a weird annoying sounds? I think my fans are messed up.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 06:06:43 (permalink)
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I just got my Classified HydroCopper I find it odd that I can't go over 1.125 even with +38 mV (at stock max is 1.125 as well).  The card seems average 1150 out of the box max boost and I seem to be game stable at 1267 at that voltage but I find it odd the GPU voltage is so low.  The ASIC is 92.1%.

 
I have exactly the same thing.
 
Mine also does 1150Mhz with the stock bios and over volting does nothing, in fact - not even the classified tool makes any change. Can't really remember if I got it game stable at 1267Mhz. This is what I managed to pull off as best in 3DMark with the stock voltage, need to add though that there was one artifact at the end of first and second test though so not a full pass.

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I think some of the higher ASIC cards have lower stock BIOS voltage limits due to the way the gpu uses the voltage. I think they are more efficient and can do more with the lower voltage. I could be completly wrong tough.
My ASIC iss 87.9 (out of the box boost was 1163mhz at 1.162v)and my max voltage is 1.175(+13mv), i can get a game stable 1267mhz(+92mhz) on the core, which from the benchmark thread seems to show that my card can do higher clocks than normal on a lower voltage.
BUT my card does run hot(its on ACX Air), i have yet to change the TIM so i dont know if the hot running is due to bad TIM or just the core itself.  Currently a game of Crysis 3 can get my temps p to 77c with 90% fan speed.

BTW good artifact tests i have found to be the end scene of Unigine Heaven, and a Tera online(of all games lol). I originaly thought through Heaven that a 1280mhz OC was fine, but it was just artificating ever so slightly in Tera, so its down been bumped down 1 step.
I owuld think that you could ether use a custom bios, or use the 1.35v GPu tweeker program floating around to up the votlage that way. I personaly wont bother trying unles i can get my current temps down becouse even if i could increase to 1.2v i highly doubt i could keep it cool.

 
I spent some time this sunday playing around with skyn3t's custom vbios and finally I could play around with the voltage. However, even at low voltages such as 1.200mV the card would become really hot quite fast. In fact, I wasn't even able to play SimCity more than five minutes before the fans where up at 100% struggling to keep the card below 79 degrees even at stock clocks and 1.125mV voltage.

Spartanjet

I just got my Classified HydroCopper I find it odd that I can't go over 1.125 even with +38 mV (at stock max is 1.125 as well).  The card seems average 1150 out of the box max boost and I seem to be game stable at 1267 at that voltage but I find it odd the GPU voltage is so low.  The ASIC is 92.1%.


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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 06:48:56 (permalink)
Have you tried changeing TIM ?

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 08:11:01 (permalink)
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Have you tried changeing TIM ?

 
Nope, what is that? lol. Thermal Induction Material (just guessing here really).
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 09:22:48 (permalink)
Pritty much. I know it as Thermal Interface material ...but ur talking about the same stuff.
 
It 'may' be that u got unlucky and have a bad stock TIM application (to much or to little). Replacing it can give good temp drop in some casses.
Really bad casses of stock TIM application on other cards, after replacing the TIM have caused a 15c drop in temps at load. other cases when the TIM is perfectly fine have been between 0 and 5c.
 
Ether way chances are changing TIM will help. Ill be doing it myself this week after i get some IPA solution to clean the old stuff off.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 10:00:35 (permalink)
You guys think the Arctic Silver 5 or Mx-4 is better?

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 10:16:03 (permalink)
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I spent some time this sunday playing around with skyn3t's custom vbios and finally I could play around with the voltage. However, even at low voltages such as 1.200mV the card would become really hot quite fast. In fact, I wasn't even able to play SimCity more than five minutes before the fans where up at 100% struggling to keep the card below 79 degrees even at stock clocks and 1.125mV voltage.

 
I recently had heat issues with my 780 Classifieds. Highly agree with the suggestions I received about adding a side intake fan or 2 if your case allows for it. I have both of mine bumped to 1.212v and clocked at 1241mhz. After an hour of Crysis 3 my top card max temp was 77C and bottom was high 60's or 70 if I recall from last night. My fans never went above 85%. Prior to adding those 2 fans on the side (and I also had my cpu cooler radiator fans on top as intake fans....bad idea, lol) I was breaking the 80 degree throttle point even while undervolting the cards.
 
Also @ Killuchen (I can't figure out how to quote multiple replies), I like MX-4 better than Arctic Silver 5, less cure time and easier to apply in my opinion.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 10:19:52 (permalink)
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I spent some time this sunday playing around with skyn3t's custom vbios and finally I could play around with the voltage. However, even at low voltages such as 1.200mV the card would become really hot quite fast. In fact, I wasn't even able to play SimCity more than five minutes before the fans where up at 100% struggling to keep the card below 79 degrees even at stock clocks and 1.125mV voltage.


I recently had heat issues with my 780 Classifieds. Highly agree with the suggestions I received about adding a side intake fan or 2 if your case allows for it. I have both of mine bumped to 1.212v and clocked at 1241mhz. After an hour of Crysis 3 my top card max temp was 77C and bottom was high 60's or 70 if I recall from last night. My fans never went above 85%. Prior to adding those 2 fans on the side (and I also had my cpu cooler radiator fans on top as intake fans....bad idea, lol) I was breaking the 80 degree throttle point even while undervolting the cards.

Also @ Killuchen (I can't figure out how to quote multiple replies), I like MX-4 better than Arctic Silver 5, less cure time and easier to apply in my opinion.

 
 
Ahh thanks! They only have silver 5 locally and I was thinking about doing this on my day off tomorrow. I guess I'll order the Mx-4 off newegg. But I might need to RMA one or both of my cards depending which card or if it's both of them making the rattling noise.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 10:46:39 (permalink)
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Ahh thanks! They only have silver 5 locally and I was thinking about doing this on my day off tomorrow. I guess I'll order the Mx-4 off newegg. But I might need to RMA one or both of my cards depending which card or if it's both of them making the rattling noise.

Oh yeah I saw your other post about the rattling noise. My original card had it and I RMA'd it and the replacement is fine. My 2nd card that I got last week makes the noise when the fans rev up and again when they settle down. It isn't the fans making the noise and it isn't typical coil whine noise. I'm planning on just keeping mine, it is less of an issue compared to the card I RMA'd. Some say it has been a common problem with the 780 ACX and Classifieds and goes away over time?

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 10:54:57 (permalink)
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Ahh thanks! They only have silver 5 locally and I was thinking about doing this on my day off tomorrow. I guess I'll order the Mx-4 off newegg. But I might need to RMA one or both of my cards depending which card or if it's both of them making the rattling noise.

Oh yeah I saw your other post about the rattling noise. My original card had it and I RMA'd it and the replacement is fine. My 2nd card that I got last week makes the noise when the fans rev up and again when they settle down. It isn't the fans making the noise and it isn't typical coil whine noise. I'm planning on just keeping mine, it is less of an issue compared to the card I RMA'd. Some say it has been a common problem with the 780 ACX and Classifieds and goes away over time?


 
Lol, yea I don't think it's hurting the performance of my card. But it's very annoying when I don't have my headphones on or when I'm trying to sleep lol. The noise only happens below 80% fan speed.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/27 14:13:03 (permalink)
MX-4 performs better than the old AS5 but they're both good TIMs. 

     
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/28 00:05:20 (permalink)
@jacob  ....  Any word on when EU will Get hydrocopper blocks??? They have been on sale in the states for a while now!??

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/28 05:41:35 (permalink)
Haven't gotten near finished with benchmarking yet, but I can tell you, 3 of these in SLI run warm... even in a dedicated loop with a 480mm rad :)
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/28 06:37:38 (permalink)
Search didn't bring up anything so I have do ask, is every 780 Classified shipping with Samsung memory or only some of them? I see Overclockers got a Classy with samsung memory and that might be enough to push me to upgrade early.
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/28 10:17:24 (permalink)
Hey Guys,
I am definitely interested in the Classified, as I have a water cooling system already I am keen to consider putting this card under water. I also have a couple of EK universal supreme waterblocks that are not being used.
 
My question is that this card has decent HS covering the VRM's and ram. Will the HS be able to keep the vrm and ram cool enough during load if I rely on the airflow of my NZXT Switch 810 case that has a 120mm fan blowing across the pci-e area, if I throw a waterblock on the gpu only?
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/28 10:39:31 (permalink)
The VRM's and RAM chips are cooled by the heatsink plate that is part of the whole ACX cooler. Removing said cooler to use a universal block will mean u will have no heatsinks or anything to cool the RAM and VRM's.
My advice, though mroe expensive, would be to buy a Classified HC that comes with a full body block. Or buy a ACX air classified, remove the acx cooler, and buy a full body block urself.
Universal blocks are great and save money in the long run but they dont cool the VRM's or RAM.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/28 11:15:09 (permalink)
I thought that the classified HSF assembly was staged so that the outer case and fan assembly could be removed separately from the HSF that covers the ram and vrm's. I would leave this hs in place and then use a universal block to cool the cpu. I guess paying an additional $122 for the waterblock is not much under the circumstances.
 
Perhaps this makes more sense. It's in stock.
 
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The VRM's and RAM chips are cooled by the heatsink plate that is part of the whole ACX cooler. Removing said cooler to use a universal block will mean u will have no heatsinks or anything to cool the RAM and VRM's.
My advice, though mroe expensive, would be to buy a Classified HC that comes with a full body block. Or buy a ACX air classified, remove the acx cooler, and buy a full body block urself.
Universal blocks are great and save money in the long run but they dont cool the VRM's or RAM.


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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/28 13:33:25 (permalink)
Ah right i see what ur talking about. Yea i guess u could potentialy leave that piece there. You would have to take it apart and see how it would fit with ur universal block.
I cant recall of hand how it looks in specific detail around the GPU.
Scratch that i just found a pic.
http://www.ninjalane.com/images/evga_gtx780_classified/classified_heatspreader.jpg
Would ur block fit in that gap without being hindered by the plate ?
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