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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 11:50:22 (permalink)
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Thanks for the input guys, looking at the front fan it seems it's not really pushing much air towards the GPUs, and unfortunately, there's no way to mount fans on the bottom of the HAF X.  

The VGA duct that comes with the HAF X would push air out the back, but unforunately the Classifieds are too tall to fit.  Looks like water is the way to go.

Does anyone know why the TDPs (even when running a single card) never seem to exceed 80-90%?  I tried enabling the max performance setting in the nvidia control panel and doesn't seem to help.  Been through the proper uninstall/reinstall (uninstall programs one at a time, reboot, Drive Sweeper, clean install of just Graphics/PhysX drivers) process numerous times to no avail.


I kind of think that's a good thing, as long as you're getting the constant framerates you should be getting.  That just means there's at least that much headroom for OCing on water.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 12:01:59 (permalink)
Sorry to come up  with this again, but ...still no trace of Classified  in EU..
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 12:10:09 (permalink)
Does anyone know why the TDPs (even when running a single card) never seem to exceed 80-90%?  I tried enabling the max performance setting in the nvidia control panel and doesn't seem to help.  Been through the proper uninstall/reinstall (uninstall programs one at a time, reboot, Drive Sweeper, clean install of just Graphics/PhysX drivers) process numerous times to no avail.

 
 
It depends on several factors as far as I know -
 
  1. Driver support and optimization for the given application
  2. Settings (both in app and graphics card) - are you using anything that will limit frame rates? Vsync, frame rate target, etc.?
  3. The application its self. Some applications will draw 100%+ on your GPU, while others will limit much lower. An example would be some stress testing applications versus actual gameplay.
 
That being said, high 80's to 90% is rather good optimization and would indicate things are working as intended most likely. If you're seeing 60-70%, that could be due to some actual issue (this has been seen with poor driver support for games in the past, and some 3d support as well, for example in Skyrim)
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 12:42:58 (permalink)
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Does anyone know why the TDPs (even when running a single card) never seem to exceed 80-90%?  I tried enabling the max performance setting in the nvidia control panel and doesn't seem to help.  Been through the proper uninstall/reinstall (uninstall programs one at a time, reboot, Drive Sweeper, clean install of just Graphics/PhysX drivers) process numerous times to no avail.



It depends on several factors as far as I know -

  1. Driver support and optimization for the given application
  2. Settings (both in app and graphics card) - are you using anything that will limit frame rates? Vsync, frame rate target, etc.?
  3. The application its self. Some applications will draw 100%+ on your GPU, while others will limit much lower. An example would be some stress testing applications versus actual gameplay.
 
That being said, high 80's to 90% is rather good optimization and would indicate things are working as intended most likely. If you're seeing 60-70%, that could be due to some actual issue (this has been seen with poor driver support for games in the past, and some 3d support as well, for example in Skyrim)


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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 15:11:59 (permalink)
....still no Classifieds on Amazon. Did evga just not send any to them?
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 16:23:32 (permalink)
Unless I'm doing something wrong my classifieds are crashing on the Unigine  Valley Benchmark with my stats @ GPU clock +132 Mem Clock @ 144 mV @ +38 with my temps reading 56C on GPU1 and 48C on GPU2.

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 18:02:10 (permalink)
Got my classified and installed it today.  ASIC is at 74.6%.
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 18:15:47 (permalink)
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Got my classified and installed it today.  ASIC is at 74.6%.

 
I have one at 84% and my other at 83.8%. What's the standard ASIC for a classified?

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 18:39:09 (permalink)
I readed the lower ASIC the better OC it does.
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 18:43:17 (permalink)
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I read the lower ASIC the better OC it does.

 
I thought it was the higher it was the better the chip. 


     
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 18:44:35 (permalink)
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I read the lower ASIC the better OC it does.


I thought it was the higher it was the better the chip. 

 
That's what I thought -_-

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 18:50:01 (permalink)
Killuchen,
You got probably got two very good cards, and the rating so close to identical, perfect cards for sli, should overclock the same without one holding the other back
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 18:51:00 (permalink)
Per PhilipO48
 
"From a lot of forum replies(be it the overclocked or other forums), it seems the higher the asic the worse a gpu overclocks..or some have said this. Also, they were saying if the user just does not oc it at all(stock or use the temp/power and set both to max), it's better to have the higher asic rating."
 

http://forums.evga.com...?m=1991508&mpage=1

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 19:25:49 (permalink)
From my past experience with 3x 680 the higher asic card overclocked higher and was more stable on water. 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 19:29:41 (permalink)
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Spongebob28

Got my classified and installed it today.  ASIC is at 74.6%.


I have one at 84% and my other at 83.8%. What's the standard ASIC for a classified?

Mine is 77.9...

Jury is still out for me and what that raiting means in real world use/oc...
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 19:38:03 (permalink)
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Spongebob28

Got my classified and installed it today.  ASIC is at 74.6%.


I have one at 84% and my other at 83.8%. What's the standard ASIC for a classified?

Mine is 77.9...

Jury is still out for me and what that raiting means in real world use/oc...

 
Lol, I'm trying! I keep getting unstable clocks and my benchmarks keep crashing -_-

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 19:50:20 (permalink)
What are your clocks set too?
 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 20:08:08 (permalink)

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 20:18:20 (permalink)
That run was at max stock boost of 1136@73 C
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 20:49:39 (permalink)
From when I did extensive testing with the 680 classifieds (I had 4 of them), I noticed there was a loose correlation between ASIC and max performance, however not necessarily direct. 
 
The biggest factor in my max OC in that case was the out of the box boost. I had one card doing 1215 out of the box, and it hit a hard wall at 1450mhz @1.35v. The rest of them did slightly lower out of the box and max (1400-1430). The card that OC'ed the highest however was not the highest ASIC. 
 
Given this information (though sample size is relatively small and certainly not conclusive), I would say ASIC is not a guaranteed determining factor in maximum card potential. It could be, but it is not always.
 
 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 21:18:30 (permalink)
So asic has nothing to do with anything, but it could have everything to do with everything.  Got it.  

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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/05 21:22:33 (permalink)
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So asic has nothing to do with anything, but it could have everything to do with everything.  Got it.  

 
It actually appears to be just that 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/06 05:39:04 (permalink)
So ASIC is determined by the quantum theory of superposition, got it.

 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/06 06:54:22 (permalink)
If the ASIC score is so useless, then why do they even have it?

 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/06 07:01:50 (permalink)
From what I'm reading on other forums, it looks like EVbot cap on the 780 is 1.5v. If this is the case, no bios will be getting us beyond 1.5v. To push that limit, a hard mod will likely be necessary.
 
Once the HC's are release I'll be fully testing it out, but hopefully we can ride that voltage to 1500-1600mhz.
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/06 07:07:43 (permalink)
"EVbot cap on the 780 is 1.5v."
 
On my Classy's the  EvBot reads the following for the limits:  for NVVDD goes up to 1.8v, FBVDD up to 2.0, and PEXVDD up to 1.562.  But have not been anywhere near those limits.
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/06 07:13:19 (permalink)
The ASIC score isn't entirely useless, I just don't think it's a factor in eVGA's selection of GPU's that can run at high frequency's.  An email response from JacobF, eVGA Product Mgr. regarding ASIC quality and high Classy OC's he states:
 
"Not necessarily, we don’t really know the logic for the ASIC quality and are not sure how accurate it is, but I can say that the GPU are prequalified to run at high frequency."
 
 
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/06 07:30:48 (permalink)
On my Classy's the  EvBot reads the following for the limits:  for NVVDD goes up to 1.8v, FBVDD up to 2.0, and PEXVDD up to 1.562.  But have not been anywhere near those limits.

 
Correct, however it's not an EVBot device cap I'm referring to, but the maximum voltage allowed by overcurrent protection built into the card. As with the 680's, you could set your evbot to 1.8v on the core and it will take it as high as the card can physically run (on the 680's, this was 1.35v, for the 780, presumably 1.5v).
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/06 07:54:09 (permalink)
I believe in one of the OC.net threads, there was a statement that ASIC is used to determine which voltage is used for what clocks. Basically it was invented when automatic voltage control was as a way to rate the voltage vs clocks that a card was capable of. So the lower the ASIC, the higher the voltage needed to maintain the same clocks as a higher rated card.
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Re:Official EVGA GTX 780 Classified Thread 2013/08/06 09:55:58 (permalink)
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On my Classy's the  EvBot reads the following for the limits:  for NVVDD goes up to 1.8v, FBVDD up to 2.0, and PEXVDD up to 1.562.  But have not been anywhere near those limits.


Correct, however it's not an EVBot device cap I'm referring to, but the maximum voltage allowed by overcurrent protection built into the card. As with the 680's, you could set your evbot to 1.8v on the core and it will take it as high as the card can physically run (on the 680's, this was 1.35v, for the 780, presumably 1.5v).

 
Understood ...  I do know we have another option called OCP which is either normal or extreme.  I think the extreme setting allows higher voltages to be set.  This option does not show up when 770 Classified use EvBot ...

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