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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 16:07:25
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Team balancing = non-North-American contestants being placed on a North-American-time-zone team.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 16:51:58
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accurate PPD projection were necessary. otherwise when we go to balance the teams (or bottom teams) the one that underestimated get the extra members. Thats not fair either. Just imagine if a team or people intentionally leave their ringer off the list and ended up being the bottom team, then get the new members and then bring the ringer in late. team balance was necessary for the bottom teams otherwise either one would say unfair. No way for it to get anything other than ugly otherwise. Europe numbers sure didn't leave them in the race this year. (they be in last place) if Europe can (and drougnor ,troy and the others working on this will look) manage a team of their own by sheer PPD. 2.5-3 million then we can look at Europe/asia/rest of the world being included as a separate team but how unfailr that will be if that winds up biting us in the behind (if they get huge turnout next year - due to sheer size of pop. of the rest of the world)..and prizes being all Worldwide (only fair - not fair if we only hand out US or NA). The TZC is the traditional contest. if the folding community wants something more fair. Im for it. then think of what to call it. We could use it. anything we figure out can be used if we wish to run other contests (more of them) If that's the course to take we can discuss that after the contest.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 17:12:08
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Nothing in the world is fair or satisfactory, 1st lesson learned from Jainism.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 17:20:25
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sfield will be added as he signed up tomorrow. The stats will count from his the time he registered, not the time he is added to the contest (if drougnor hasn't already added him to the system?). I've had a very harrowing past 24 hours due to the severe weather that passed through the northeast, I just got home and am going to pass out asap. EDIT: I haven't checked anything other than this thread so I gather by the conversation here that sfield signed up sometimes this weekend. Let it be known that this is the Time Zone Challenge. If Eastern was expecting a walk in the park, perhaps they are in for a rude wake up call? Can Eastern muster up support and hold onto the lead it has built so far?
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 17:59:36
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The stats will count from his the time he registered, not the time he is added to the contest ... EDIT: I haven't checked anything other than this thread so I gather by the conversation here that sfield signed up sometimes this weekend. Let it be known that this is the Time Zone Challenge. If Eastern was expecting a walk in the park, perhaps they are in for a rude wake up call? Can Eastern muster up support and hold onto the lead it has built so far?
Unless something changes, EST will not be threatened by sfield being added to PST. As much as we would all like to see a competitive race for 1st, it appears it will be a race for 2nd place ... and CST isn't in that picture right now  .
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 18:25:25
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willyray Unless something changes, EST will not be threatened by sfield being added to PST. As much as we would all like to see a competitive race for 1st, it appears it will be a race for 2nd place ... and CST isn't in that picture right now . You do realize that he signed up for 1,000,000 points per day? And that Eastern has an approximately 6 million point lead over Pacific. Oh, and there are approximately 7 days left in the contest from the point he signed up? He will certainly help a lot to close the existing gap and then some. Will it be enough? I don't know. It depends on if Eastern can keeps its pace (where I live in the northeast...the vast majority of our state is without power and I know it effected other nearby states - but how many folders will it temporarily take offline?). If there is one thing I've learned from doing a good number of contests it often the only way to know what actually is going to happen is to wait and see.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 18:32:22
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Regarding the "balance" of the TZC contest, it does not have an inherent balancing mechanism and quite possibly could provide an uneven contest. A few people suggested that dividing the non-US/CA members amongst to make things as even as we can without stepping outside the inherent nature of the TZC format would be a slight improvement to the contest that people would enjoy, and perhaps make things more exciting and draw more interest and enthusiasm to folding...which is one of the main reasons we run contests like this. It seems to have created a pretty tight race for second place, but couldn't do much about the horde amassing in the East. Bottom line: if most people don't like that feature we will certainly remove it next year. If you argue against the TZC format in general...that is an entirely different debate.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 19:02:08
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Man is capable of as much atrocities as he has imagination. People are, well, only human. We know that. The rule of law is borne out in identifying, condemning, and punishing those who violate the standards on which we all agree. This is exactly what we do in America.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 19:05:01
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/30 19:11:37
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willyray Unless something changes, EST will not be threatened by sfield being added to PST. As much as we would all like to see a competitive race for 1st, it appears it will be a race for 2nd place ... and CST isn't in that picture right now .
You do realize that he signed up for 1,000,000 points per day? And that Eastern has an approximately 6 million point lead over Pacific. Oh, and there are approximately 7 days left in the contest from the point he signed up? He will certainly help a lot to close the existing gap and then some. Will it be enough? I don't know. It depends on if Eastern can keeps its pace (where I live in the northeast...the vast majority of our state is without power and I know it effected other nearby states - but how many folders will it temporarily take offline?). If there is one thing I've learned from doing a good number of contests it often the only way to know what actually is going to happen is to wait and see.
Yes, yes, and yes ... but, sfield signed up after he/she dropped his/her 1 million points on the 29th. So, I looked at it from today's 9:27 p.m. EST update and, just roughly, sfield's addition to PST puts their total PPD about 25k higher than EST. So, with roughly 6 days remaining PST will erase about 150k of their approximately 6 million deficit. That still leaves them almost 6 million behind when EST crosses the finish line ... Now, if PST could find another sfield, or, if sfield had been there from the start, there would be a race for 1st ... you know what they say: if all the ifs, ands, and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Xmas.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 02:28:09
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Man is capable of as much atrocities as he has imagination. People are, well, only human. We know that. The rule of law is borne out in identifying, condemning, and punishing those who violate the standards on which we all agree. This is exactly what we do in America.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 02:29:35
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 13:46:55
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I believe that Eveyone (including the contest organizers) seem to be missing the point of the whole TZC. IT'S IN the name "Time Zone Challenge". How did this become a contest? It's numbers and if you are unhappy with them.... Change them for next year. Meaning find more folders or fold more. If each TZ improves year-over-year, then the TZ has accepted the challenge. Why do we want to penalize time zones for excelling in the challenge? Meaning this "balancing" thing. Let Each TZ take the year break and find a way to balance it themselves for the next years contest. Maybe make a prize for largest % improvement over the previous TZC, but leave TZ's without exterior "stocking stuffers" from other TZ's. Again JIMO, YMMV Sean
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 14:12:06
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Here's a fun fact.... As of this post it looks like CST is the highest overproducing team over reported PPD at 6%. EST: 5% MST: -7% PST: -9% I know this can change dramatically with each hourly dump...but hey CSTers, at least we can hang our hat on that.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 14:25:08
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shdbcamping I believe that Eveyone (including the contest organizers) seem to be missing the point of the whole TZC. IT'S IN the name "Time Zone Challenge". How did this become a contest? It became a challenge when it was posted in the Folding Contests section of the forums due to a lack of "Folding Challenges" section. In my opinion, you are simply arguing semantics if you differentiate between a contest and a challenge and I often use the two interchangably.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 15:53:47
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Here's a fun fact....
As of this post it looks like CST is the highest overproducing team over reported PPD at 6%.
EST: 5% MST: -7% PST: -9%
I know this can change dramatically with each hourly dump...but hey CSTers, at least we can hang our hat on that.
.sarcasm that just means you guys under reported the most on the sign-up page and are the biggest cheaters! ./sarcasm
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 16:24:43
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troy8d It became a challenge when it was posted in the Folding Contests section of the forums due to a lack of "Folding Challenges" section. In my opinion, you are simply arguing semantics if you differentiate between a contest and a challenge and I often use the two interchangably. Teachers/educators challenge students/teammates to excell or to become better. They don't contest them But if they challenge them to see who can become the best, it is a contest. If there is a "winner" it is still a challenge but it is also a contest and the TZC has always declared a winner. EDIT: as I previously predicted, we are now arguing semantics.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 16:52:35
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Just thought that i'd point out that GMT 0, +1, +2 etc are all timezones and as TZC was never named UTZC, US Time Zone Contest, we could very well create our own EU team, failing that (due to inadequate PPD), EU + AUS + Other. This could well be an idea for next year.
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 16:53:12
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 17:43:36
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I think it's fine just the way it is. Other teams just got more people or they got lucky with high ppd
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 20:14:30
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 22:29:53
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 22:31:56
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 22:35:34
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/10/31 22:41:27
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CD is probably a little ticked off at me when i just blew right past them in points and team ranking ... hehe
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/11/01 01:52:14
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Meh, Everyone passes me. But if I had an sr-2 or a basement full of PC's and no need to worry about a power bill, well, then you would have a problem :P
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/11/01 02:38:14
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Re:Official 2011 Time Zone Challenge Announcements
2011/11/01 04:23:31
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hopefully i can afford a four cpu g34 server for next years contest hahaha i can dream i can dream
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