troy8d

clifford_cooley
I read somewhere that you would only be credited what you estimate for your PPD.

What does that mean?
Does that mean you will not be credited anything over what you estimated and the overage will not be added to the TZC totals?

You heared it on teh internets?  It MUST be true!

I think people are a little confused by this statement (bold/underline by me below) on the Contest Format page.
 
Registration:

• Participants must fold only under their own folding name for team 111065.
• Participants must report the PPD they anticipate producing in the contest. This value will be the base value of PPD a folder will be given credit for in the contest.
  

I think that was a leftover from a contest where there was an attempt to balance the teams to equal out PPD.  I don't want to put words in troy's mouth, but I don't think the estimated PPD is all that important in this particular contest, where the teams are predetermined by people's geographic location.
I'm certainly hoping to beat my estimate to try and beat certain teams who had certain large producers sign up at the very last minute. 

It might have been the remnants of a copy/paste.    But if that particular statement was confusing, all you had to do was ask.

so  the way I read that is, everything over the reported PPD is just over run and wont be counted toward the TZC.
 
so hows that being averaged?(i know im being a pain in the butt) ie. dropping a 60k bigadv the first day and nothing for 2 more days. do you get 45k for the firstday and nothing for the next 2days or does the 15k over run carry over and avg out?

wrinvert

so  the way I read that is, everything over the reported PPD is just over run and wont be counted toward the TZC.

so hows that being averaged?(i know im being a pain in the butt) ie. dropping a 60k bigadv the first day and nothing for 2 more days. do you get 45k for the firstday and nothing for the next 2days or does the 15k over run carry over and avg out?

 
Before providing the obvious answer, please (for my sake) explain why/how you think that is the case?

im just kinda confused. i do have the power to do 90k but only want to run my 1 system which is 45k(which is what i signed up with).  i want to produce the amount i said with out going way over/under and looking like i cheated in any way.

Punchy

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Fold as much as you can!  It would be contrary to the entire purpose of Folding @ Home for anyone to complain about someone "folding too much".

i agree on this, im going to be adding a system to my farm for the contest. not that PST has a bunch of ppd..... 

Punchy

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Fold as much as you can!  It would be contrary to the entire purpose of Folding @ Home for anyone to complain about someone "folding too much".

 

We fold for the greater good.  These contest are for fun and some bragging rights, but the end goal is to fold as much as we can to advance the science.

Punchy

troy8d
rjbelans statement above is a good summary, though the one thing I would remove from it is the hard and fast 100-200k range.  There is no hard and fast rule or number (100k is a relatively small portion of output for some of folders).  Basically, if you are have intentionally done something to disrupt or effect the outcome of the contest, we will take action to remedy it.  I certainly hope this is not an issue.

The only place it could be an issue is with the team that got "balanced", i.e. in this case if it turned out that someone in PST understated by 1 million points so they could get "other" added to their team.
I'm almost hoping sfield will join, whatever time zone he is in, just to show how futile it is for people to worry about overproduction.
I'm in favor of some future contests not asking for estimated PPD and being based on random selection of teams (like the last digit of your phone number becomes your team number).  I think it might be more fun where the team totals are totally unknown until the contest starts.

i dont know how hard it would be to code in the contest report site but having an "estimated PPD" and a deminishing return for going over would work also. so the farther over your PPD you go the less you would get credit for it makeing it less worth while.

Also you could award a prize for the "closest to prediction" like closest to the pin in a golf tourney.

Punchy

troy8d
rjbelans statement above is a good summary, though the one thing I would remove from it is the hard and fast 100-200k range.  There is no hard and fast rule or number (100k is a relatively small portion of output for some of folders).  Basically, if you are have intentionally done something to disrupt or effect the outcome of the contest, we will take action to remedy it.  I certainly hope this is not an issue.

The only place it could be an issue is with the team that got "balanced", i.e. in this case if it turned out that someone in PST understated by 1 million points so they could get "other" added to their team.
I'm almost hoping sfield will join, whatever time zone he is in, just to show how futile it is for people to worry about overproduction.
I'm in favor of some future contests not asking for estimated PPD and being based on random selection of teams (like the last digit of your phone number becomes your team number).  I think it might be more fun where the team totals are totally unknown until the contest starts.

 
This post is a bit OFFTOPIC.
 
Certainly an interesting concept for a contest and the TZC is the closest thing we have to something like that.  It is actually pretty much that other than there is a small element of balancing that occurs by distributing the folders not in the US timezones. 
 
I can tell you from my experience in online gaming leagues that a purely random contest would cause a lot of QQ'ing by many people.  I used to run a league where we had 3 options for match-making: random, balanced or a team pick mode...almost every single random game that was unbalanced would resulting in people crying that it was unfair and sometimes would even surrender without even playing the game. 
 
People tend to overvalue numbers and statistics because they are tangible and measurable, whereas other qualities that determine a good team (either gaming or folding) are much harder to determine and tend to be undervalued.  I envision people quickly losing hope when they see the production capabilities of their team (and even if its not reported, EOC gives a pretty decent approximation that you know everyone would be looking at).  But I could be wrong here.
 
I'd certainly be up for it a contest like this, though, if people would like it.  Just let me know. 
 
In summary: FOLD ON!

yodap

I don't know if I was the original perpetrator of the question, but yesterday I asked simply, how important is the original guesstimate? The reason being, that I achieved an OC that was not possible when I signed up but has increased my bigadv output by 10%. No way am I going to back down on that, after all who am I to get in the way of science.
So, expect my output to be at least 10% more.

 
Nope, you were not the original perpetrator...its been floating around this thread (and others) for about a week.
 
Right on...push that rig to the limit!  Fold as much as you can! 
 
You're not the only one pushing themselves for the contest period...and that's part of the reason we run contest.  You've increased your output 10% and (presumably) you're not going to back down once the contest is over!  More production, more science!

Never mind........

Woo hoo this thing is starting on my day of birth, maybe I'll get lucky and win one off the rigs. So with said go cst. Also when it comes to getting a rig is it a seperate drawing? Our like is the first person to pick a prize gets first pick?