Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/17 03:49:47
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Looks interesting, but the grain of salt I'm gonna need to believe it is quite sizable.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/18 14:40:47
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Yum. Though that's a much larger gap between the X80, the Ti, and the full Titan if true, due to the ROPs being chopped as well as the shaders. It also seems odd the X80 Titan doesn't have better performance if it is the sole card with HBM2... Not sure I believe the chart, pretty sure they will be selling cut-down HBM2 models of the Titan that have bad RAM stacks disabled.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/21 08:54:26
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/21 09:37:25
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Testing on i3 and i5...really?
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/21 13:02:49
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You didn't here, this news is from top, I was shocked when I hear... AMD try to negotiate with EVGA about custom build their mid and high segment of graphic cards. The biggest news is AMD Radeon Hydro Copper.  Still is unknown how many old Radeon fans will change side instantly because of that... But most famous graphic card manufacturer, specialized for custom and fabric overclocked version of graphic card will maybe offer one of best Radeon models on market. AMD promise huge voltage freedom for EVGA R9-490X 8GB Hydro Copper.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/21 13:29:58
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more likely mobile chips on lappys
the one has like less than 8GB
2 with 8192MB and 1 with 7680MB
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/21 20:06:05
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if that Titan is true I finally have a reason to upgrade from my original Titans. 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/21 20:59:28
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For now I will not even bother with this GPU if they have now real driver support the NON-Windows Platforms. For now I am going to start Boycotting DirectX 12 Products to include Games until Microsoft releases it for Windows 7 and 8. I should add like that will ever happen.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/21 21:26:36
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I don't even think to replace Windows 7 for now. And I should bought TITAN Black and now easy to upgrade on new TITAN from Pascal architecture. But I was stupid and I believed in fabric overclocked GTX780Ti and EVGA only show twice that people who suspect and condemned stories about binned chips as lies and nothing else were right.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/22 10:59:56
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Testing on i3 and i5...really?
Lol, another wccftech win, they love to bite clicks!
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/22 11:25:03
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You didn't here, this news is from top, I was shocked when I hear...
AMD try to negotiate with EVGA about custom build their mid and high segment of graphic cards.
The biggest news is AMD Radeon Hydro Copper.
Still is unknown how many old Radeon fans will change side instantly because of that...
But most famous graphic card manufacturer, specialized for custom and fabric overclocked version of graphic card will maybe offer one of best Radeon models on market.
AMD promise huge voltage freedom for EVGA R9-490X 8GB Hydro Copper.
It is no surprise to me on why AMD approached EVGA on that. Look at what EVGA has to offer compared to other companies, not to mention their track record for their customer support. However, EVGA doesn't produce a single product which is backed by AMD. So, I see why AMD was trying to get into EVGA's wallet to support AMD. Hopefully they said no, because they don't need them, and it's pretty clear that EVGA isn't hurting for business for not producing AMD. Plus, They have a great partnership with Nvidia. This doesn't even mention about Intel either. How would Intel react if they heard EVGA was going to make business deals with AMD? When you start peddling into other business approaches and start micro managing multiple areas, your products can start dwindling. I apologize if sounded like a fanboy.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/22 11:39:31
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For now I will not even bother with this GPU if they have now real driver support the NON-Windows Platforms.
For now I am going to start Boycotting DirectX 12 Products to include Games until Microsoft releases it for Windows 7 and 8.
I should add like that will ever happen.
How will you boycott? Not buying games which require DirectX?
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/22 15:58:38
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Vlada011
You didn't here, this news is from top, I was shocked when I hear...
AMD try to negotiate with EVGA about custom build their mid and high segment of graphic cards.
The biggest news is AMD Radeon Hydro Copper.
Still is unknown how many old Radeon fans will change side instantly because of that...
But most famous graphic card manufacturer, specialized for custom and fabric overclocked version of graphic card will maybe offer one of best Radeon models on market.
AMD promise huge voltage freedom for EVGA R9-490X 8GB Hydro Copper.
It is no surprise to me on why AMD approached EVGA on that. Look at what EVGA has to offer compared to other companies, not to mention their track record for their customer support. However, EVGA doesn't produce a single product which is backed by AMD. So, I see why AMD was trying to get into EVGA's wallet to support AMD. Hopefully they said no, because they don't need them, and it's pretty clear that EVGA isn't hurting for business for not producing AMD. Plus, They have a great partnership with Nvidia.
This doesn't even mention about Intel either. How would Intel react if they heard EVGA was going to make business deals with AMD?
When you start peddling into other business approaches and start micro managing multiple areas, your products can start dwindling.
I apologize if sounded like a fanboy.
I dunno I was kinda upset when XFX went to only AMD, I think it would be great for companies to offer varieties. I mean look at EVGA now Power Supplies and Ram why not AMD Cards. I think it would be great for EVGA and AMD I am all about competition in the market place.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/22 16:09:05
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evga will mod the amd gpus with reduced clocks.. teehee
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/22 16:27:16
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evga will mod the amd gpus with reduced clocks.. teehee
Probably... xexexe.... I think someone say once That will not happen. But who knows what future bring, Never Say Never. But that not change nothing for me, I want to use NVIDIA Inspector and other advantages of GeForce with game mods and PhysX sometimes. I don't want to buy Radeon and than to install PhysX only to some game work even if not support PhysX. But only sure way to back on Radeon is if NVIDIA continue to sabotage performance of 1 year old premium GeForce cards. Than I have no choice simply. Than other factors are in game not what I wish and what I like.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/22 17:27:56
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kingofsorrow
evga will mod the amd gpus with reduced clocks.. teehee
Probably... xexexe....
I think someone say once That will not happen.
But who knows what future bring, Never Say Never.
But that not change nothing for me, I want to use NVIDIA Inspector and other advantages of GeForce with game mods and PhysX sometimes. I don't want to buy Radeon and than to install PhysX only to some game work even if not support PhysX.
But only sure way to back on Radeon is if NVIDIA continue to sabotage performance of 1 year old premium GeForce cards.
Than I have no choice simply. Than other factors are in game not what I wish and what I like.
There is no sabotage going on.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/22 18:04:17
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We will see when Pascal show up what will happen with GM200.
I will pay attention a lot on that.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/23 02:34:11
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Vlada011
We will see when Pascal show up what will happen with GM200.
I will pay attention a lot on that.
Don't twist your argument you said that NVIDIA is sabotaging "1 year old premium GeForce cards"
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/23 14:58:32
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Vlada011
We will see when Pascal show up what will happen with GM200.
I will pay attention a lot on that.
Don't twist your argument you said that NVIDIA is sabotaging "1 year old premium GeForce cards"
I'm not quite sure how that's possible. My GTX 470s lasted me 5 years. It was only when the VRAM standard in applications increased is when I had to upgrade.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/23 21:03:05
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Vlada011
We will see when Pascal show up what will happen with GM200.
I will pay attention a lot on that.
Many people, including Linus, have tested the whole "nvidia drivers sabotage older cards". The GPU either stayed the same or scored higher on benchmarks. The whole thing is debunked and just a rumor.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/24 14:56:40
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Vlada011
We will see when Pascal show up what will happen with GM200.
I will pay attention a lot on that.
Don't twist your argument you said that NVIDIA is sabotaging "1 year old premium GeForce cards"
I'm not quite sure how that's possible. My GTX 470s lasted me 5 years. It was only when the VRAM standard in applications increased is when I had to upgrade.
Why, you don't know? NVIDIA's driver can even blown a PC next to the one where they are installed 
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/24 16:06:01
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Vlada011
We will see when Pascal show up what will happen with GM200.
I will pay attention a lot on that.
Don't twist your argument you said that NVIDIA is sabotaging "1 year old premium GeForce cards"
I'm not quite sure how that's possible. My GTX 470s lasted me 5 years. It was only when the VRAM standard in applications increased is when I had to upgrade.
Why, you don't know? NVIDIA's driver can even blown a PC next to the one where they are installed
I never said "I didn't know", and I was only basing off of my previous experiences, knowing that I was capable of holding onto my 470s for over 5 years and still able to play the games they had available with no problem. Other than that, I don't see how it's possible that Nvidia was intentionally "sabotaging" a driver's graphics card to make predecessor cards run poorly. I see this as a user error than anything else.
By the way, I was sarcastic
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/24 23:51:03
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We will see when Pascal show up what will happen with GM200.
I will pay attention a lot on that.
Don't twist your argument you said that NVIDIA is sabotaging "1 year old premium GeForce cards"
Yes I said... People complain a lot about Kepler GK110 in new games...I didn't build topics about Kepler performance after launching of GTX970 and GTX980. Every normal people know that Titan Black could everything as GM204 (small Maxwell) only maybe with more heat. And Linus can pull me for... middle leg... And he and his sponsored words... I could understand everything, even Alien invasion but I can't expect from 5-6 famous reviews to explain to 200.000-300.000 people that NVIDIA intentionally didn't optimize performance of 10-12 months old cards for newer games only performance of new generation with similar power. They will not lie, they will only not say some things and choose tests and what to present, Enough. I mean they could say if want tomorrow to sell ice-cream, but if he want to present Pascal than need to play in rules. Why I say I will look performance of GM200 in DX12. Only because people beg on knees months to NVIDIA improve performance of all Keplers together with TITAN Black in new games as Witcher 3, Far Cry 4,.... He is launched last on Winter 2014. 2015 they present him weaker than card with 150W power consumption. How much need GTX970... 150-160W... I don't know...
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/25 04:03:08
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Let's go ahead and say that the 1060 will have 6gb of VRAM..., what does that say for owners of a gtx 980ti? Then the cost as well... I don't see these cards being cheap at all. Assumptions are one thing, but it's the closest we can figure with what is on the table right now. Assuming that the prices for the Pascal series will be close to that of the 900 series... You're paying roughly $125 per GB of VRAM... A 980 costs $500 (125x4GB=$500). A 960, $250... (125x2gb=$250.) A 1060 could cost $750 ($125x6GB=$750). A price for a 980TI is $650 right? Do the math. $125x6GB=$650 for a reference model, not even overclocked. Let's jump to the price for a 1080... They're saying 8gb right? You will pay $1,000 for a single card. Let's get more into this. Now here comes Kingpin. He's going to want his "2 cents" as well. What are they going to demand for a Kingpin 1080? Never mind, forget I asked... Hopefully I'm wrong. But if not, I might consider AMD's Fury card. Then again, I have 2 980s, so I know they will be good for a while, at least until Volta is released, if I pass with getting Pascal.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/25 05:43:55
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I am just going to say 6gb on a 960... The standard one has 2gb with a max of 4gb right now. If they use a 128bit bus like they have been, the 1060 won't properly utilize 6gb of VRAM, so therefore won't matter compared to a 970, 980 or 980ti. Nvidia isn't stupid. People need to stop assuming they are going to cut their own head off with that move, to make a base grade gpu better than one of their two flagship.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/25 19:19:37
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Vlada011
We will see when Pascal show up what will happen with GM200.
I will pay attention a lot on that.
Don't twist your argument you said that NVIDIA is sabotaging "1 year old premium GeForce cards"
Yes I said... People complain a lot about Kepler GK110 in new games...I didn't build topics about Kepler performance after launching of GTX970 and GTX980.
Every normal people know that Titan Black could everything as GM204 (small Maxwell) only maybe with more heat.
And Linus can pull me for... middle leg... And he and his sponsored words...
I could understand everything, even Alien invasion but I can't expect from 5-6 famous reviews to explain to 200.000-300.000 people that NVIDIA intentionally didn't optimize performance of 10-12 months old cards for newer games only performance of new generation with similar power.
They will not lie, they will only not say some things and choose tests and what to present, Enough.
I mean they could say if want tomorrow to sell ice-cream, but if he want to present Pascal than need to play in rules.
Why I say I will look performance of GM200 in DX12. Only because people beg on knees months to NVIDIA improve performance of all Keplers together with TITAN Black in new games as Witcher 3, Far Cry 4,.... He is launched last on Winter 2014. 2015 they present him weaker than card with 150W power consumption.
How much need GTX970... 150-160W... I don't know...
I'm a owner of a GK110 equipped card, and I saw driver related improvement on the Witcher 3 and a really nice one in Arma 3 for example. Anyway, Maxwell can make better use of it's resources to improve efficiency and push performance, NVIDIA rearranged the SM cluster design, improved color compression widely increasing bandwidth and I think they also improved the GPU internal interconnect fabric. Considering that both Kepler and Maxwell (unlike Fermi) rely on a software scheduler it's not strange that they require more driver side optimization (two sides of the same coin, you gain in power efficiency since you have fewer and simpler control logic in the GPU but the scheduler must be optimized for new apps for best results) but the scheduler can be better optimized for Maxwell thanks to the new SM design. So there is plenty of reason to explain the gap.
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/26 13:47:54
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I am just going to say 6gb on a 960... The standard one has 2gb with a max of 4gb right now. If they use a 128bit bus like they have been, the 1060 won't properly utilize 6gb of VRAM, so therefore won't matter compared to a 970, 980 or 980ti.
Nvidia isn't stupid. People need to stop assuming they are going to cut their own head off with that move, to make a base grade gpu better than one of their two flagship.
That is seriously a joke if they do that to a 1060. They're going to put a 6gb memory on it but choke the bit rate? that's a pure scam. I understand you were only speculating, but if they do that same idea... I really want to be there for the people who consider getting a 1060. That's just garbage, 6gb vram on a 128 bus...
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Re: Nvidia Pascal 1000 series cards.
2016/03/27 07:07:23
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I think the xx60 will be 4GB, the same that the 4GB GTX 960 equiped cards, but in the vanilla configuration.
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