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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:26:53
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well i dont know about you guys, ut i like having my system load in 10 seconds from the beep when you turn your pc on...lol SSD FTW.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:29:20
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chrisdglong Well, if that does it for you then keep it up. I actually no longer even see the point of an SSD. The speed difference was not justified for the loss of space and high cost for me. I went back to a solid 2TB HDD. That works for me. I actually plan on getting one or a few, depending on how much the price drops for them. But that'll be for the future (most likely a far one).
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:47:17
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direraptor22 chrisdglong Well, if that does it for you then keep it up. I actually no longer even see the point of an SSD. The speed difference was not justified for the loss of space and high cost for me. I went back to a solid 2TB HDD. That works for me. I actually plan on getting one or a few, depending on how much the price drops for them. But that'll be for the future (most likely a far one). Last two I bought were the 320's from Intel. Then I found out, shortly after, about the firmware bug and just took them back for a good HDD.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 20:54:56
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Huh, I think my legs get better bench results than your sata 2 ports only cuz i'm da boss and i said so! :P On another not, Nice speeds guys :P of and gals :P
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 21:41:37
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chrisdglong
Well, if that does it for you then keep it up. I actually no longer even see the point of an SSD. The speed difference was not justified for the loss of space and high cost for me. I went back to a solid 2TB HDD. That works for me.
I actually plan on getting one or a few, depending on how much the price drops for them. But that'll be for the future (most likely a far one).
I got one of the budget Kingston SSDs to give them a whirl ... I can't say I'm disappointed and think they are pretty hard to beat if you want to run your OS and Programs on them. But, the RAID 0 setups I have on both rigs below are almost as quick as the Kingston SSD in everything but access time. I can remember back years ago when hard drive sizes were minuscule in comparison to what they are today ... technology will move forward in the future at the same rate with prices declining to the point where SSDs will probably replace platter drives, IMHO.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 22:38:59
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I do like the fact that SSDs have no moving parts, consume less energy, last longer, generally have less failures, have almost 0 access times, and give you CRAZY results in RAID configs. Now, give them more storage room and slam the prices into the ground... I'd buy them without hesitation!
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/19 23:12:12
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those are AMAZING numbers for hdd's but acess time helps alot with everyday small things here and there.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 00:43:06
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nice job on the R0 direraptor22
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 01:12:47
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@Little Sister: The point of this thread wasn't to make fun of HDD's vs SSD's. The OP was simply pointing out a feat he got to. It's his choice as not everyone can afford the same thing. I'm open to new threads with different tests regardless if I have something better or not. I'm not going to make fun of someone either way.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 01:29:46
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 02:59:48
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 05:46:19
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@Little Sister: The point of this thread wasn't to make fun of HDD's vs SSD's. The OP was simply pointing out a feat he got to. It's his choice as not everyone can afford the same thing. I'm open to new threads with different tests regardless if I have something better or not. I'm not going to make fun of someone either way.
i made fun of no one and agree with op and understand his posts. you must have missed this. either way. the hdds in raid 0 are great results and both of use exchanged results. whats the issue here. another posts count member that has nothing better to do? lighten up. if you can go for ssds great if not the op's post is a great opion.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 09:30:11
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No, I didn't miss anything. You in fact lol'd at this conversation in another thread. Half your posts were ego boosts boasting about your SSD's in RAID blew his HDD's away. Clearly unneeded. Obviously, you missed that. Another post count member? Like you should talk.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 09:41:50
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NazcaC2
No, I didn't miss anything. You in fact lol'd at this conversation in another thread. Half your posts were ego boosts boasting about your SSD's in RAID blew his HDD's away. Clearly unneeded. Obviously, you missed that. Another post count member? Like you should talk.
post mean nothing to me. thanks. speak with OP then. yeah i showed mine, hes showed his results, big deal. the mech hdds beat a single ssd on the sata 2 ports. we get it, so why the i dont understand or missed the thread point...lol you and donata need to find someone else to mess with. yes also i did poke fun at this thread in another in reguards to donata rude post.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 09:43:01
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so the more spinner hd drives on RAID 0 the better it's performance it have? like if you mount 4 or 5 drives in RAID 0 the performance will still increase? now i am not going to hear those drive failures as this will post a very huge risk of data failures. i just want to know if somebody have ever done with 4 or more drives on RAID 0 and have a SSD-like performance?
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 09:46:37
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so the more spinner hd drives on RAID 0 the better it's performance it have? like if you mount 4 or 5 drives in RAID 0 the performance will still increase?
now i am not going to hear those drive failures as this will post a very huge risk of data failures. i just want to know if somebody have ever done with 4 or more drives on RAID 0 and have a SSD-like performance?
many people have done this with multiple hhds for fast reads, but the access time will remain about the same. problem with multiple hhds, like 4 or more is you lose one you lose the data across all in raid 0. every mech hdd you add for performance which would be nice, the higher the failure rate. hhds are made better than they use to be IMO, but still a big chance as is everything.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 09:50:53
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i see. so the access time remains the same and will pose for greater risk in data failure once you mount more drives on RAID 0. hmmm... what about in SSD in RAID 0? the chances of data failure and drive degredation be with? does the SSD's in RAID 0 tends to degrade faster than those in single drives?
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 09:57:10
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geek32
i see.
so the access time remains the same and will pose for greater risk in data failure once you mount more drives on RAID 0. hmmm...
what about in SSD in RAID 0? the chances of data failure and drive degredation be with? does the SSD's in RAID 0 tends to degrade faster than those in single drives?
the acess times on mech hdds in raid 0 will improve for each drive added, but not by much and would never amount to the acess time of an ssd. the higher failure rate is just due to more drives that could go bad. they may never or they might, but if your running 5 hdds in raid 0 then your chance are x5 greater. ssd's dont fail that much. i have heard of a few failing but this was due to the board inside. there pretty solid and wont fail hense (solid state drive). i have ran intel x25-m's for over a year with no degration in raid 0 according to windows. i guess it can happen, especially since raid array will not allow for trim support yet. so far as the ssd's degrading faster in raid 0, i cant help you there, but i can say i have never seen degration nor slowing of my speeds. i keep everything pretty clean on my ssd's.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 10:07:47
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thanks lil sis. one more question lolz is the no-TRIM on RAID 0 be a huge factor? what happens to the drive space without TRIM on RAID? will it consumes more space than those single drives that had TRIM enabled?
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 10:14:27
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"especially since raid array will not allow for trim support yet." Some OCZ Revodrive's support TRIM with RAID (as they come RAIDed out of the box) but that's totally a different category (PCI-E vs SATA).
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 10:21:27
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Failure rate in raid 0 will be proportional to the number of drives you have (roughly) and the read/write speed is also proportional to the same until it maxes out the interface whether it's SATA 3 or 6. It doesn't matter if it's SSD or standard mechanical drives, but apparently SSD's have a lower failure rate itself so doubling or tripling that isn't really a worry.
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 14:07:21
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The reason I put 3 HDDs in RAID 0 is because it'll be my OS drive, containing only Windows 7 and the games I play along with some software (antivirus, DVD burning software, other various software that I can easily reinstall)... know what I mean? So even if a drive actually did fail and ruined my RAID config, I can get everything back up and running in no time. I store all my important stuff on a separate drive, and that's backed up to my server and external HDD as well. Drama, please go away!
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Re:No need for SSD here!
2011/10/20 16:33:02
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direraptor22
The reason I put 3 HDDs in RAID 0 is because it'll be my OS drive, containing only Windows 7 and the games I play along with some software (antivirus, DVD burning software, other various software that I can easily reinstall)... know what I mean?
So even if a drive actually did fail and ruined my RAID config, I can get everything back up and running in no time. I store all my important stuff on a separate drive, and that's backed up to my server and external HDD as well.
Drama, please go away!
Exactly ... as long as you have a backup scheme, there shouldn't be a big issue with RAID 0. Worst case, it should just be a matter of restoring your system, software, and data files. In terms of HD failure, in over 20 years of pretty heavy PC use I've never had one ... knock on wood.
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