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2016/11/18 13:41:12 (permalink)
I bought a GTX 1080 FTW on release from EVGA. 2 weeks ago it stopped working. I shipped it back to EVGA on November 7th and I received a replacement card packaged like it was brand new on the 17th. An EVGA representative on the phone promised the new card would have the thermal pads and the bios update.
 
My new GTX 1080 FTW can handle much higher clocks and puts out way lower temps but somehow scores a lot worse on 3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra. How is this possible? Did 3D Mark adjust their scores? I don't care about scores much but I'm worried it's an indicator of something weird with my new card. 
 
My OLD 1080:
Stable up to 2038 MHz.
Mostly hovered between 1987-2025 MHz
Temps are 70-80 C in benchmark
Memory clock at 5454
3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 5404 - 5585
 
My most recent with the old card:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10363712
 
My NEW 1080:
Stable at 2114 MHz (could probably do more)
Hovers between 2088 - 2114 MHz
Temps are 40-50 C in benchmark
Memory clock at 5454
3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 4908 - 5059

 
This is my highest score with the new card:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10814584
 
 
Some additional information:
 
  • I have the newest Nvidia drivers as of now (375.95) but I also tried the last two (375.86 and 375.70). The results were about the same. 
  • I have the newest Precision XOC version as of now (6.0.9)
  • The only thing that has changed since my last video card was in my computer is the PSU. I swapped my EVGA SuperNOVA 850 B2, 80+ BRONZE 850W for an EVGA SuperNOVA 1050 GS, 80+ GOLD 1050W
  • My CPU has been overclocked to 4.6 GHz for a long time. 
  • Windows 10 64 Bit and rest of my specs are down below
 
 
Any ideas as to what is happening? Thanks guys! 
post edited by IchigoSoulReaper - 2016/11/18 14:11:47

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 13:49:09 (permalink)
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    My OLD 1080:
    Stable up to 2038 MHz.
    Mostly hovered between 1987-2025 MHz
    Temps are 70-80 C in benchmark
    Memory clock at 5454
    3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 4908 - 5047
     
    My NEW 1080:
    Stable at 2114 MHz (could probably do more)
    Hovers between 2088 - 2114 MHz
    Temps are 40-50 C in benchmark
    Memory clock at 5454
    3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 5404 - 5585

    The higher the score the better the performance. Looks like the new card is working a lot better than the old one.


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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 13:50:13 (permalink)
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    My OLD 1080:
    Stable up to 2038 MHz.
    Mostly hovered between 1987-2025 MHz
    Temps are 70-80 C in benchmark
    Memory clock at 5454
    3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 4908 - 5047
     
    My NEW 1080:
    Stable at 2114 MHz (could probably do more)
    Hovers between 2088 - 2114 MHz
    Temps are 40-50 C in benchmark
    Memory clock at 5454
    3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 5404 - 5585

    The higher the score the better the performance. Looks like the new card is working a lot better than the old one.


    OOPS I flipped the scores in my copy/paste adventures. I double checked it all now and it is correct after the edit. Sorry for the confusion.
    post edited by IchigoSoulReaper - 2016/11/18 13:55:14

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 13:54:33 (permalink)
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    My OLD 1080:
    Stable up to 2038 MHz.
    Mostly hovered between 1987-2025 MHz
    Temps are 70-80 C in benchmark
    Memory clock at 5454
    3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 4908 - 5047
     
    My NEW 1080:
    Stable at 2114 MHz (could probably do more)
    Hovers between 2088 - 2114 MHz
    Temps are 40-50 C in benchmark
    Memory clock at 5454
    3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 5404 - 5585

    The higher the score the better the performance. Looks like the new card is working a lot better than the old one.


    OOPS I flipped the scores in my copy/paste adventures. I double checked it all now and it is correct. Sorry for the confusion.


    In that case...

    Before you start

    "In general, you should benchmark every device you test under the same conditions. For example, you should test every system in the same location, at room temperature, and away from direct sunlight and other heat sources.
    The precision of Futuremark benchmarks scores is usually better than 3%. This means that running a benchmark repeatedly on a consistently performing system in a well-controlled environment will produce scores that fall within a 3% range.
    Individual scores may occasionally fall outside the margin of error since the factors that influence the score cannot be completely controlled in a modern, multitasking operating system. There are also devices that simply do not offer consistent performance due to their design. In these cases, it is necessary to run the benchmark multiple times, and then take either an average or a mode of the results."
     
    https://www.futuremark.com/support/guides


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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 13:59:12 (permalink)
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    My OLD 1080:
    Stable up to 2038 MHz.
    Mostly hovered between 1987-2025 MHz
    Temps are 70-80 C in benchmark
    Memory clock at 5454
    3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 4908 - 5047
     
    My NEW 1080:
    Stable at 2114 MHz (could probably do more)
    Hovers between 2088 - 2114 MHz
    Temps are 40-50 C in benchmark
    Memory clock at 5454
    3D Mark Fire Strike Ultra = 5404 - 5585

    The higher the score the better the performance. Looks like the new card is working a lot better than the old one.


    OOPS I flipped the scores in my copy/paste adventures. I double checked it all now and it is correct. Sorry for the confusion.


    In that case...

    Before you start

    "In general, you should benchmark every device you test under the same conditions. For example, you should test every system in the same location, at room temperature, and away from direct sunlight and other heat sources.
    The precision of Futuremark benchmarks scores is usually better than 3%. This means that running a benchmark repeatedly on a consistently performing system in a well-controlled environment will produce scores that fall within a 3% range.
    Individual scores may occasionally fall outside the margin of error since the factors that influence the score cannot be completely controlled in a modern, multitasking operating system. There are also devices that simply do not offer consistent performance due to their design. In these cases, it is necessary to run the benchmark multiple times, and then take either an average or a mode of the results."

    https://www.futuremark.com/support/guides


    I ran the benchmarks in the exact same location. Pretty warm room with a fireplace. It's actually quite warm. I'm absolutely shocked at the ridiculously low temperatures reported by the Precision XOC OSD during the benchmark 

    Thanks for the reply again. 
    post edited by IchigoSoulReaper - 2016/11/18 14:09:36

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 14:01:31 (permalink)
    You didn't post what driver version you used for the OLD benchmark run.
     
    Drivers to make a difference...and the last few releases from NVIDIA have been junk.  I'm still running on an older version of their driver as the latest releases are not stable for folding @ home.
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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 14:05:04 (permalink)
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    You didn't post what driver version you used for the OLD benchmark run.
     
    Drivers to make a difference...and the last few releases from NVIDIA have been junk.  I'm still running on an older version of their driver as the latest releases are not stable for folding @ home.


    Just checked and the last driver I benchmarked with the old card was 372.90. I posted links to my results in an edit to my post above. 
     
    I might go back to that driver and see what happens. 
     
    Your avatar is hilarious by the way haha

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 14:06:08 (permalink)
    372.90 is what I am currently running.
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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 14:08:26 (permalink)
    ksgnow2010
    372.90 is what I am currently running.


    OK I'll go roll back to it. I'll benchmark and post the results 

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 14:29:19 (permalink)
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    372.90 is what I am currently running.


    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10817326
     
    I got a 4980 with the 372.90 
     
    If anybody else has a 1080 by EVGA and 3D Mark Fire Strike could you please have a run today and let me know what you got?

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 14:38:50 (permalink)
    Looks like your new card is only off by 3 fps.


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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 14:55:48 (permalink)
    Sajin
    Looks like your new card is only off by 3 fps.


    Yeah but at 4K and those frames, that's a 12% difference. The difference in frames is bigger at lower resolutions. I upgraded from a 980 Ti so I'm trying to squeeze the most out of this GTX 1080 . It just doesn't make sense that the same type of card is performing worse at higher clocks and lower temps. Blows my mind. What did EVGA do to prevent this thing from exploding?
     
    Nvidia needs to hook me up with one of those $600 Titans 

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 14:58:52 (permalink)
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    Looks like your new card is only off by 3 fps.


    Yeah but at 4K and those frames, that's a 12% difference. The difference in frames is bigger at lower resolutions. I upgraded from a 980 Ti so I'm trying to squeeze the most out of this GTX 1080 . It just doesn't make sense that the same type of card is performing worse at higher clocks and lower temps. Blows my mind. What did EVGA do to prevent this thing from exploding?
     
    Nvidia needs to hook me up with one of those $600 Titans 


    Maybe the clocks of your new card aren't 100% stable. Try lowering your clocks a bit to match what your old card clocked at.
     
    You'll need to talk to nvidia about the titans. 


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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 15:39:46 (permalink)
    I had RMAed my original FTW 1080 as well and received the new card November 7 with thermal pads installed. Like your situation, this new card clocks much higher than the original one I had. Below is a link to a Time Spy score at clock +125/memory +400. That's a graphic score of 8057 and an overall score of 7584. Sweet, and I've never had a score this high with the previous card.
     
    I agree with what Sajin says about perhaps your clocks aren't stable as I have seen with some friends that additional boosts to clock OR memory can produce a lower score. In my case I know this FTW 1080 thermal mod card could take more than the clocks I used but frankly I'm not interested in trying. I only OC to see how the card runs with an OC in a benchmark and then it goes back to defaults for gaming.
     
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16048877
     
    And here is my Firestrike score, 19247. Didn't hit the 19K mark with by original card.
     
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16048975?
     
    PS: with my original card I clocked at +110/+400 as the core wouldn't take much more than 110-114.
     
    PPS: most important to me is the original card at stock never went below 1898 core in gaming. That wasn't bad but with the new thermal mod card and the same fan curve this new card doesn't go below 1924 while gaming. Double sweet.
    post edited by specialkone - 2016/11/18 16:04:28

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 20:13:04 (permalink)
    It seems like that your new card isnt under full load. So it has a lower temperature thus has a higher clock.(personal view) . Have you tried reinstall the software and the driver?(hope this will work)(sorry for my poor English)
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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/18 23:37:10 (permalink)
    Just for reference here's my score with pretty much the same system specs as the OP. 1080 Classified at stock + 6700K @4.5Ghz.
     
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16145637?
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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/19 12:56:10 (permalink)
    Shen_Miao
    It seems like that your new card isnt under full load. So it has a lower temperature thus has a higher clock.(personal view) . Have you tried reinstall the software and the driver?(hope this will work)(sorry for my poor English)


    3D mark's details say GPU was under 100% load during the graphics tests. Yeah I tried a clean install with the latest 4 nvidia drivers but the results were always the same. No idea why it's scoring so low.
    Keidj
    Just for reference here's my score with pretty much the same system specs as the OP. 1080 Classified at stock + 6700K @4.5Ghz.
     
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16145637?


    Yeah that's how my last card was performing :/

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/19 13:07:46 (permalink)
    Go install the 375.95 Driver, it's the latest. Don't install the 375.90, it's been reported that the memory O/C's aren't running at what they should be.
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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/19 14:49:43 (permalink)
    Legacy-ZA
    Go install the 375.95 Driver, it's the latest. Don't install the 375.90, it's been reported that the memory O/C's aren't running at what they should be.


    375.95 is what I had initially when I made this thread and it's the drive I currently have as well man

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/19 15:01:47 (permalink)
    Try with a lower VRAM OC. These 10 series cards appear to have an aggressive ECC and pushing the memory OC too far can negatively impact FPS (and benchmark scores).
     
    Also know that certain windows updates can, and have in the past, reduced overall PC performance.
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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/19 16:26:59 (permalink)
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    Shen_Miao
    It seems like that your new card isnt under full load. So it has a lower temperature thus has a higher clock.(personal view) . Have you tried reinstall the software and the driver?(hope this will work)(sorry for my poor English)


    3D mark's details say GPU was under 100% load during the graphics tests. Yeah I tried a clean install with the latest 4 nvidia drivers but the results were always the same. No idea why it's scoring so low.
    Keidj
    Just for reference here's my score with pretty much the same system specs as the OP. 1080 Classified at stock + 6700K @4.5Ghz.
     



    Yeah that's how my last card was performing :/


    Well…have you set the power limit lower than the last card? The temperature shouldn't be that low…
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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/19 21:13:06 (permalink)
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    Try with a lower VRAM OC. These 10 series cards appear to have an aggressive ECC and pushing the memory OC too far can negatively impact FPS (and benchmark scores).
     
    Also know that certain windows updates can, and have in the past, reduced overall PC performance.


    Hmmm good idea. OK I'll mess around with the VRAM OC later when I have some time and I'll post back. 
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    Shen_Miao
    It seems like that your new card isnt under full load. So it has a lower temperature thus has a higher clock.(personal view) . Have you tried reinstall the software and the driver?(hope this will work)(sorry for my poor English)


    3D mark's details say GPU was under 100% load during the graphics tests. Yeah I tried a clean install with the latest 4 nvidia drivers but the results were always the same. No idea why it's scoring so low.
    Keidj
    Just for reference here's my score with pretty much the same system specs as the OP. 1080 Classified at stock + 6700K @4.5Ghz.
     
     


    Yeah that's how my last card was performing :/


    Well…have you set the power limit lower than the last card? The temperature shouldn't be that low…


    Yeah the power limit is currently at 130 C because the GPU is in slave mode. I also tried master mode at 120 C but the results were not better. I agree that the temps are lower than normal so it makes me think the card is not doing something it should be doing. 

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/20 01:53:07 (permalink)
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10794175 that's my last FSU bench, so i can't really see what you griping about lol ;)
     
    try putting Phsyx to CPU might get you that extra points you seem to crave :D
     
     
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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/20 08:13:38 (permalink)
    Looks like drivers. You should run 373.06 to make it a fair comparison. 

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    Re: New RMA Card has Higher Clocks and Lower Temps but Less Performance??? 2016/11/20 09:52:49 (permalink)
    arestavo
    Try with a lower VRAM OC. These 10 series cards appear to have an aggressive ECC and pushing the memory OC too far can negatively impact FPS (and benchmark scores).
     
    Also know that certain windows updates can, and have in the past, reduced overall PC performance.


    OK I just tried a lower VRAM OC and NO VRAM OC but it didn't help. 
    baconinabun
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10794175 that's my last FSU bench, so i can't really see what you griping about lol ;)
     
    try putting Phsyx to CPU might get you that extra points you seem to crave :D
     
     
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    Well switching Physx didn't help anything either.  I even tried switching the slot the GPU was in. Nothing.
     
    Last card just somehow performed about 10-12% better with lower clocks and higher temps  
     
    Does anybody else have the Windows 10 anniversary update? What are your benchmarks looking like? 

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